• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

The Russia-Trump collusion story is a total hoax, when will this taxpayer funded charade end

Anyone who believes these Russian indictments signal the end of the Mueller Russia-collusion investigation is ... delusional.

They probably won't. But so far all the evidence re collusion points to the Hillary campaign, not the Trump campaign. Are you okay with that?
 
I think President Trump will be exonerated despite the best efforts of those who don't care how much chaos is created with baseless accusations.

Screaming at the sky part duex. I predict an increase in vagina costume sales.
 
(b) The Special Counsel is authorized to conduct the investigation confirmed by then-FBI Director James B. Comey in testimony before the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence on March 20, 2017, including:

(i) any links and/or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump; and

(ii) any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation; and

(iii) any other matters within the scope of 28 C.F.R. s. 600.4(a).


(c) If the Special Counsel believes it is necessary and appropriate, the Special Counsel is authorized to prosecute federal crimes arising from the investigation of these matters.

(d) Sections 600.4 through 600.10 of Title 28 of the Code of Federal Regulations are applicable to the special counsel.


https://www.nytimes.com/interactive...nt-Robert-Mueller-Special-Counsel-Russia.html

Which does not change my opinion on this one bit as it is non sequitur and irrelevant to my post.
 
I also believe that the Trump/Russia narrative was initiated by Hillary's camp to delegitimize his win and sow discord in America. She was to be coronated, remember.
Totally agree Rosenstein punched the line about no Americans involved was a direct hit at the wishful conspiracy theorists.
Trump can do no right in the eyes of his haters. I actually think it's funny watching them set their hair on fire with everything he says and does.

It would be funny if it was not so distracting to the President's really wonderful objectives, goals, vision that all Americans of every stripe should support.
 
I disagree. The investigation has not concluded. What has happened, though, is that foreign interference has been established. What's left to do is to follow the money and to see what's going on up top.

Well so far, following the money appears to be pointing to the Hillary campaign, not the Trump campaign. Are you okay with that?
 
Well so far, following the money appears to be pointing to the Hillary campaign, not the Trump campaign. Are you okay with that?

#buthillary :lol:

I don't care about Hillary Clinton. I do want to see the results of the investigation when it concludes, though.
 
It would be funny if it was not so distracting to the President's really wonderful objectives, goals, vision that all Americans of every stripe should support.

I think Trump's been doing an amazing job, despite the headwind coming from the Left.
Not that the lamestream media would report how he's plowing through his agenda.
 
Doesn't mean they are coming, either.
There's no way you can know that until Mueller is done with his investigation. Could be true.
Of course he could say it under oath.



Well we know JR is going down because of his emails.
Bannon has publicly stated that there is zero chance the Russian agents were not walked up to daddies office after theeeting
Now will JR flip on daddy when he realizes that daddy is going to throw him under the bus?

Another thing Bannon has publicly stated is he knows that money laundering is what is going to bring trump down. As soon as Bannon is subpoenaed and he has to answer questions not written by Whitehouse staff we will know a hell of a lot more.
 
#buthillary :lol:

I don't care about Hillary Clinton. I do want to see the results of the investigation when it concludes, though.

I'm sure we will. But I don't think the hoped for comeuppance for President Trump or his campaign will be in that conclusion. If that turns out to be the case, how disappointing will that be to you? For those of us who do support his objectives, goals, vision, that will be a relief and vindication.

And believing that Hillary Clinton has broken a whole raft of laws, I can't say that I won't feel that justice has been done if that is part of the conclusion. Most especially when I see people who have committed what I believe to be far less serious offenses being indicted. (In truth, I am not holding my breath that she will be held accountable for anything though. Some very powerful forces seem to be out there protecting her.)
 
Well we know JR is going down because of his emails.
Bannon has publicly stated that there is zero chance the Russian agents were not walked up to daddies office after theeeting
Now will JR flip on daddy when he realizes that daddy is going to throw him under the bus?

Another thing Bannon has publicly stated is he knows that money laundering is what is going to bring trump down. As soon as Bannon is subpoenaed and he has to answer questions not written by Whitehouse staff we will know a hell of a lot more.

We do?
Now Bannon's word is sine que non? Interesting...

The delusional mind of a liberal is fascinating. There's just so much fluffy stuff inside. Like a jar of marshmallow Fluff:lol:
 
Which does not change my opinion on this one bit as it is non sequitur and irrelevant to my post.

I was just pointing out the stupid dishonesty in pretending that the investigation was about getting rid of Trump.

:shrug:

It's no better than pretending it was limited to "collusion."
 
I think Trump's been doing an amazing job, despite the headwind coming from the Left.
Not that the lamestream media would report how he's plowing through his agenda.

So do I. He is at times overly arrogant, childish, impetuous, rude, or just plain foolish and we all grind our teeth and shake our heads at some of that, especially cringeworthy tweets. He is an imperfect person and is less likely than most to try to cover up and/or compensate for his imperfections. That is frustrating to us all. Unfortunately the bitterly partisan and fanatical ideologues can't see anything other than that plus all the stupid stuff they make up about him.

But I do believe his instincts, motives, objectives, goals, and the overall vision is spot on and superior to anything I have seen from any President in my lifetime. Plus, because he isn't a poll tested, scripted, politically correct politician, he actually wants to accomplish those goals and objections and that vision and isn't bound to any concept of status quo when he throws out multiple possibilities in how to get it done.

But those who hate Trump far more than they love America refuse to allow him any quarter and they will keep pushing all the negatives, including the Russian collusion conspiracy theory, until the cows come home. And they will continue to refuse to admit anybody on their side could possibly be more guilty that Trump will ever be.
 
So do I. He is at times overly arrogant, childish, impetuous, rude, or just plain foolish and we all grind our teeth and shake our heads at some of that, especially cringeworthy tweets. He is an imperfect person and is less likely than most to try to cover up and/or compensate for his imperfections. That is frustrating to us all. Unfortunately the bitterly partisan and fanatical ideologues can't see anything other than that plus all the stupid stuff they make up about him.

But I do believe his instincts, motives, objectives, goals, and the overall vision is spot on and superior to anything I have seen from any President in my lifetime. Plus, because he isn't a poll tested, scripted, politically correct politician, he actually wants to accomplish those goals and objections and that vision and isn't bound to any concept of status quo when he throws out multiple possibilities in how to get it done.

But those who hate Trump far more than they love America refuse to allow him any quarter and they will keep pushing all the negatives, including the Russian collusion conspiracy theory, until the cows come home. And they will continue to refuse to admit anybody on their side could possibly be more guilty that Trump will ever be.

I wish there was a 10-thumbs up button!
I'd much rather have an imperfect human who gets things done like a machine than a bloviating ideologue who thinks I need help tying my shoes.
 
I also believe that the Trump/Russia narrative was initiated by Hillary's camp to delegitimize his win and sow discord in America. She was to be coronated, remember.
Totally agree Rosenstein punched the line about no Americans involved was a direct hit at the wishful conspiracy theorists.
Trump can do no right in the eyes of his haters. I actually think it's funny watching them set their hair on fire with everything he says and does.

Actually the indictments say that "unwitting" Trump campaign people were INVOLVED in helping the Russian trolls on Social media so there is that. Then there is Trumps claim that the operation started in 2014 making him innocent. Actually the operation started soon after his trip to Moscow for the beauty pagent so there is that too. Nothing in these indictments absolve Trump of anything. They only serve to prove he has been lying for years about Russian involvement in our elections and you have to ask yourself why? And why does he refuse to implement the sanctions Congress voted for and why does he refuse to do anything to stop further Russian interference in our elections? What is he afraid of?
 
Last edited:
I wish there was a 10-thumbs up button!
I'd much rather have an imperfect human who gets things done like a machine than a bloviating ideologue who thinks I need help tying my shoes.

Yes me too. I am stick to death of the prim and proper who specialize in being prim and proper and often leave things in worse shape and/or never get around to helping anything be better. I'll take the imperfect, sometimes unlikable blowhard who has a vision I can agree with and who gets things done.
 
Actually the indictments say that "unwitting" Trump campaign people were helping the Russian trolls on Social media so there is that. Then there is Trumps claim that the operation started in 2014 making him innocent. Actually the operation started soon after his trip to Moscow for the beauty pagent so there is that too.

Correction: "unwitting" Trump campaign people were interacting with the Russian trolls, not helping them. Big difference.
 
Actually the indictments say that "unwitting" Trump campaign people were INVOLVED in helping the Russian trolls on Social media so there is that. Then there is Trumps claim that the operation started in 2014 making him innocent. Actually the operation started soon after his trip to Moscow for the beauty pagent so there is that too. Nothing in these indictments absolve Trump of anything. They only serve to prove he has been lying for years about Russian involvement in our elections and you have to ask yourself why?

I think Trump's playing Putin. Keep your friends close and your enemies closer, and all that.
 
Correction: "unwitting" Trump campaign people were interacting with the Russian trolls, not helping them. Big difference.

Interacting is the same as helping. Unwitting or not, it is still Americans helping Russians isn't it? So do not say there were no Americans helping. And this is just one of the 3 pronged attacks that were implemented. This all started after Trump's trip to Moscow in 2014. Coincidence? I don't think so.
 
Last edited:
I think Trump's playing Putin. Keep your friends close and your enemies closer, and all that.

LOL It is the other way around. Trump fawns over him and is afraid to say one bad word about him. Putin has something on him, it is obvious.
 
LOL It is the other way around. Trump fawns over him and is afraid to say one bad word about him. Putin has something on him, it is obvious.

Yeah, right...
So, has that golden shower been verified yet?
Didn't think so.

Again, exactly what part of the Steele dossier have been verified?

Oh, but Putin's got "something"...

That and a buck will get you a cup of coffee at McDonalds.

In the meantime, keep filing articles of impeachment.
I'm sure you can figure out the "whys" and "whatfors" later.
 
Interacting is the same as helping. Unwitting or not, it is still Americans helping Russians isn't it? So do not say there were no Americans helping. And this is just one of the 3 pronged attacks that were implemented. This all started after Trump's trip to Moscow in 2014. Coincidence? I don't think so.

Baloney. Mueller certainly did not think it of any consequence nor do I. You and I could easily have also interacted with Russians posing as legitimate citizens or putting out malicious propaganda without helping anybody. Certainly if I commented on any of that nonsense it was to condemn it, not aid and abet it but it would have been interacting with Russians.

TDS is as strong on this thread and many others at DP.
 
Baloney. Mueller certainly did not think it of any consequence nor do I. You and I could easily have also interacted with Russians posing as legitimate citizens or putting out malicious propaganda without helping anybody. Certainly if I commented on any of that nonsense it was to condemn it, not aid and abet it but it would have been interacting with Russians.

TDS is as strong on this thread and many others at DP.

The irony is that there untold numbers of American online posters who have unwittingly interacted with Russian bots.
So, iguanaman might as well turn himself in, put on an orange jumpsuit and line up for his 3 hots and a cot.
 
I'm sure we will. But I don't think the hoped for comeuppance for President Trump or his campaign will be in that conclusion. If that turns out to be the case, how disappointing will that be to you? For those of us who do support his objectives, goals, vision, that will be a relief and vindication.

it won't be any more disappointing than the fact that a significant percentage of voters actually thought it was a good idea to put him in charge of the military. that's just terrifying, honestly.

will Mueller find something significant about Trump? i don't know. i suppose that we'll see.

And believing that Hillary Clinton has broken a whole raft of laws, I can't say that I won't feel that justice has been done if that is part of the conclusion. Most especially when I see people who have committed what I believe to be far less serious offenses being indicted. (In truth, I am not holding my breath that she will be held accountable for anything though. Some very powerful forces seem to be out there protecting her.)

like i said, i don't care. she is in charge of nothing. on the other hand, most of us will suffer if Trump drives the car off of the cliff.
 
it won't be any more disappointing than the fact that a significant percentage of voters actually thought it was a good idea to put him in charge of the military. that's just terrifying, honestly.

will Mueller find something significant about Trump? i don't know. i suppose that we'll see.



like i said, i don't care. she is in charge of nothing. on the other hand, most of us will suffer if Trump drives the car off of the cliff.

I just don't see the problem that you're seeing with President Trump. I am seeing excellent results with his use of the military and so far no negatives. That doesn't mean there won't be any negatives because it is impossible to use military force without some errors or miscalculations. We aren't seeing much bad news coming out of the Middle East these days suggesting maybe things are improving there? President Trump, to his huge credit, refuses to telegraph to the enemy the timelines or strategy and he is allowing our people to fight to accomplish goals and win.

Since I have refused to demonize him, I am pretty sure he will exercise reasoned judgment when it comes to military action. And among the military itself, the polls I have seen pretty much reflect the whole American population when it comes to what they think of President Trump personally--under 50% approval ratings. But when it comes to his specific military policies, approval is significantly positive.

For me it is important to separate what I observe of him personally from his objectives, goals, and vision which I largely support with minimal qualifications. And that he is actually working to find ways to accomplish those objectives, goals, and vision is commendable as we get that from so few who are elected to high office.
 
Back
Top Bottom