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The math cannot be refuted - Antifa has killed no one, the Alt Right has killed many[W:77]

Re: The math cannot be refuted - Antifa has killed no one, the Alt Right has killed many

Zalatix said:
17 more people killed by white supremacists in 2018.

School shooter tied to white supremacist group in Florida - NY Daily News

This, after four people were killed by a Trump supporter earlier this month.

https://heavy.com/news/2018/02/joseph-nickell-paintsville-kentucky-shooting/

Alt-right extremists have already soared past their 2017 totals (20 deaths) and it's only February: 21 deaths by alt-right extremists!

So far, no one has been killed by Antifa or Black Lives Matter.

Conservatives argue that Antifa is violent ergo we should discount the murders and violence by the Far Right. But the math says they're dead wrong. Conservative extremists accounted for over half the extremist killings in 2017.

https://www.adl.org/news/press-rele...supremacist-murders-more-than-doubled-in-2017

But Trump says these are "very fine people" while people who take a knee at NFL games are "sons of bitches." And the FBI has taken no action to pursue white supremacists as a terrorist movement. Despite all the people they've killed.
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The mass shooter was a Democrat. Whats your point?
 
Re: The math cannot be refuted - Antifa has killed no one, the Alt Right has killed many

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Re: The math cannot be refuted - Antifa has killed no one, the Alt Right has killed many

JuiceJS said:
The mass shooter was a Democrat. Whats your point?
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Another pathetic and wrong claims from the right wing blogosphere. The dude is a self admitted Jew-hating white supremacist, which furthermore makes your claim completely fraudulent.
 
Re: The math cannot be refuted - Antifa has killed no one, the Alt Right has killed many

JuiceJS said:
The mass shooter was a Democrat. Whats your point?
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I think its some sort of syndrome, with people looking for some way to make this boogeyman seem like something that they can eventually link back to the right.

The most political lean I have seen exhibited by he shooter, would probably be a socialist lean. Though I have already seen enough evidence that proves he transcribed more to the democratic side.
 
Re: The math cannot be refuted - Antifa has killed no one, the Alt Right has killed many

Oborosen said:
Making false emotional arguments, isn't going to help you here.
Many of the people who defended the statue being left alone, did not see it represented in such a way. So painting them as such, despite that not being the case. Is just a blatant waste.
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so their idiots and the innocence that gives them lets them be defined as decent?
 
Re: The math cannot be refuted - Antifa has killed no one, the Alt Right has killed many

Zalatix said:
Another pathetic and wrong claims from the right wing blogosphere. The dude is a self admitted Jew-hating white supremacist, which furthermore makes your claim completely fraudulent.
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Its not what the data says.

http://oi66.tinypic.com/2ahwpd0.jpg

So either the data lies, or you are lying.

Wich one is it?
 
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blarg said:
so their idiots and the innocence that gives them lets them be defined as decent?
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When they are actual decent people, yes.

Finding some emotional meaning in a statue and choosing to defend it, based on how you interpret it. Does not make them bad people.

There was a gathering of unit the right there, yes. However, they were not all of the people who gathered to support a defense of the statue staying where it was.

Calling all of them white supremacist, or bad people. Simply because they chose that aligning defense.

Is a self-defeating stance.
 
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JuiceJS said:
Its not what the data says.

http://oi66.tinypic.com/2ahwpd0.jpg

So either the data lies, or you are lying.

Wich one is it?
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Seeing as Cruz isn't a self admitted white supremacist, its easy to see that someone isn't in the function of accepting reality.

This is pretty overwhelming evidence, that he at least saw himself as a democrat supporter.
 
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Oborosen said:
When they are actual decent people, yes.

Finding some emotional meaning in a statue and choosing to defend it, based on how you interpret it. Does not make them bad people.

There was a gathering of unit the right there, yes. However, they were not all of the people who gathered to support a defense of the statue staying where it was.

Calling all of them white supremacist, or bad people. Simply because they chose that aligning defense.

Is a self-defeating stance.
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ok fair enough if you count them as fools instead
 
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blarg said:
ok fair enough if you count them as fools instead
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Foolish? Even if a forefather served and died for that same cause?
 
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Oborosen said:
Foolish? Even if a forefather served and died for that same cause?
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considering the cause yes some one being related to you dosent make their cause noble
 
Re: The math cannot be refuted - Antifa has killed no one, the Alt Right has killed many

blarg said:
considering the cause yes some one being related to you dosent make their cause noble
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Depends on your outlook about the war.
One being the aspect that the removal of slavery, though not paramount for the war. Was in of itself a motivational factor for some, but not all.

The southern side on the other hand, were defending their way of life from an overbearing, outside force. No matter the aspect of that life that was being dislodged. Had the abolishment of slavery truly been a driving factor, the fighting would not have stopped when the south gave up their resistance.

We would have traveled over the seas to the source and abolished it there.

These people are doing no more, then paying respect to a memory.

The verdant defense was in face of some rather destructive forces and seeing as these were the same people. Who for some reason thought it was right to torch statues of Abraham Lincoln. It was easy to see why the statue has such a ready defense.
 
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Oborosen said:
Depends on your outlook about the war.
One being the aspect that the removal of slavery, though not paramount for the war. Was in of itself a motivational factor for some, but not all.

The southern side on the other hand, were defending their way of life from an overbearing, outside force. No matter the aspect of that life that was being dislodged. Had the abolishment of slavery truly been a driving factor, the fighting would not have stopped when the south gave up their resistance.

We would have traveled over the seas to the source and abolished it there.

These people are doing no more, then paying respect to a memory.

The verdant defense was in face of some rather destructive forces and seeing as these were the same people. Who for some reason thought it was right to torch statues of Abraham Lincoln. It was easy to see why the statue has such a ready defense.
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o the removal of slavery was not such a big deal the north just did not want to let the south secede but the fear that slavery would be choked out was the main cause of the conflict on the part of those in power in the south
 
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blarg said:
o the removal of slavery was not such a big deal the north just did not want to let the south secede but the fear that slavery would be choked out was the main cause of the conflict on the part of those in power in the south
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The north was seizing, by force. The territory of the south and demanding that they just stop what they were doing.

I am not surprised that people had an adverse reaction to such an event.

The statues may have been erected for one reason, but people have found other reasons to respect the fact that they are there.
 
Re: The math cannot be refuted - Antifa has killed no one, the Alt Right has killed many

Zalatix said:
White supremacists are a terrorist movement. They have killed far more people than Antifa or Black Lives Matter.

You can't admit this basic fact because the numbers clearly show that Trump supporters are more dangerous to public safety than Muslims or leftists combined.

Trump supporters STARTED the violence, not their opponents. FACT.
Trump also endorsed violence against non-violent people. ALSO fact.

Here's a RIGHT WING SOURCE to back me up on that.
https://www.redstate.com/leon_h_wol...rs-pepper-spray-non-violent-protesters-video/
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I am a Trump supporter.

Everything you say has no relation to me.

You're raving as you wancder through a biased, hate filled life.

You should try listening to what Trump says and start ignoring what people who hate Trump say Trump says.
 
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Oborosen said:
The north was seizing, by force. The territory of the south and demanding that they just stop what they were doing.

I am not surprised that people had an adverse reaction to such an event.

The statues may have been erected for one reason, but people have found other reasons to respect the fact that they are there.
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well when you declare rebellion against your nation because democracy is not working out the way you want tat tends to promotes adverse reactions as well

inventing new reasons to save face is foolish the rebellion sacrificed the lives of the common people by appealing to their patriotism and tribal sentiments so those in power could keep owning other people with peace of mind that they always could this is no better then the Japanese and Germans who want to pretend their ancestors weer doing what was right during ww2
 
Zalatix said:
17 more people killed by white supremacists in 2018.

School shooter tied to white supremacist group in Florida - NY Daily News

This, after four people were killed by a Trump supporter earlier this month.

https://heavy.com/news/2018/02/joseph-nickell-paintsville-kentucky-shooting/

Alt-right extremists have already soared past their 2017 totals (20 deaths) and it's only February: 21 deaths by alt-right extremists!

So far, no one has been killed by Antifa or Black Lives Matter.

Conservatives argue that Antifa is violent ergo we should discount the murders and violence by the Far Right. But the math says they're dead wrong. Conservative extremists accounted for over half the extremist killings in 2017.

https://www.adl.org/news/press-rele...supremacist-murders-more-than-doubled-in-2017

But Trump says these are "very fine people" while people who take a knee at NFL games are "sons of bitches." And the FBI has taken no action to pursue white supremacists as a terrorist movement. Despite all the people they've killed.
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Trying to link Cruz to the alt-right is proof that claims about alt-right violence are mostly false. The left wingers attempt to link the alt right to every bit of violent activity committed by whites, and almost all of the time this is bogus.

The alt-right is a tiny political group with little or no influence that has been blown up into this huge bogey man by the left attempting to deflect people from looking at their own failures and evil influence on our culture, influence that glamorizes violence and promotes violence in politics.

Meanwhile, the violence in the streets of the antifa is impossible to deny.
 
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Oborosen said:
This is pretty overwhelming evidence, that he at least saw himself as a democrat supporter.
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What frigging difference does it make what party he supported? I don't think there is one iota of truth that either party supported school shootings.

What the hell is wrong with you people.

Christ, lets find out what team he supported for the superbowl.
 
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blarg said:
well when you declare rebellion against your nation because democracy is not working out the way you want tat tends to promotes adverse reactions as well

inventing new reasons to save face is foolish the rebellion sacrificed the lives of the common people by appealing to their patriotism and tribal sentiments so those in power could keep owning other people with peace of mind that they always could this is no better then the Japanese and Germans who want to pretend their ancestors weer doing what was right during ww2
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And what kind of side do you think the north appealed to?
 
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Crosscheck said:
What frigging difference does it make what party he supported? I don't think there is one iota of truth that either party supported school shootings.

What the hell is wrong with you people.

Christ, lets find out what team he supported for the superbowl.
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I am responding to the topic at least. If you are upset by that, I suggest you grow some thicker skin. Or not click on the thread if there is any chance of being upset at the possible information that is in here.

The Op is still going on about the same BS identity politics that is common from that side.
 
Re: The math cannot be refuted - Antifa has killed no one, the Alt Right has killed many

Oborosen said:
And what kind of side do you think the north appealed to?
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lets see kept the nation together wanted to limit the expansion of slavery seems like the good guys
 
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blarg said:
lets see kept the nation together wanted to limit the expansion of slavery seems like the good guys
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Keeping the nation together, by forcing division in the first place. Yeah that seems like a good plan.
Almost all of the propaganda they had circulating at the time. Was either for patriotic reasons, or for morally exaggerated reasons. Seeing as they even maintained their own form slavery during the civil war, which was their conscription methods.

It was probably the first form of Identity politics used by one America, against another.

...I guess its a testament to how idiotic the OP was, that this is actually a more interesting conversation.
 
Zalatix said:
Conservatives argue that Antifa is violent ergo we should discount the murders and violence by the Far Right.
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Who is saying that. That looks like a strawman to me.
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