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Shooter Warning, Why The FBI's Hands Were Tied

Perotista said:
I don't know about that. I did it. My youngest daughter's husband is doing it. My son is doing it. Although my oldest daughter works, but that is more to get nice stuff they don't need.

I could get by on a 24" TV and the 56" or larger. A regular cell phone is just fine, not one of these smart phones. No one need one hundred or two hundred dollar sneakers, twenty dollar ones will do nicely. Etc. Etc.
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You don't know about that, you did it.
We're not just talking about Georgia. I've lived down there.
We're talking about a national economic issue.
I am sure that there are indeed still parts of Georgia where it is possible, or Arkansas, or Mississippi, or even Oklahoma.
Now try that elsewhere in the country, where rents top $1,000, 2,000 or even more per month.

I know, you'll probably say "then move".
 
poweRob said:
Kids are maturing later and getting the same access to things they aren't mature enough to handle not to mention those things are more deadly than ever.
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You act as if school shootings happen all the time and has been going on forever. I looked it up and here is the stats up to Feb 2018.

List of school shootings as of February 2018

2018, 14 February - Marjory Stoneman Douglas High school shootings - (17 dead)
2017, November 14 - Rancho Tehama Reserve shootings - (6 dead)
2015, 1 October - Umpqua Community College shooting - (10 dead)
2014, October 24- Marysville Pilchuck High School shooting - (5 dead)
2013, June 7 - 2013 Santa Monica shooting - (6 dead)
2012, December 14- Sandy Hook Elementary School shootings - (28 deaths)
2012, 2 April - Oikos University shooting - (7 deaths)
2008, February 14 - Northern Illinois University shooting - (6 deaths)
2007, 6 April - Virginia Tech massacre - (33 deaths)
2006, October 2 - West Nickel Mines School shooting - (6 deaths)
2005, 21 March - Red Lake shootings - (10 deaths)
1999, 20 April - Columbine High School massacre - (15 deaths)
1998, May 21 - Thurston High School shooting - (4 deaths)
1998, March 24 - Mitchell Johnson and Andrew Golden - (5 deaths)
1991, 1 November - University of Iowa shooting - (6 deaths)
1976, 12 July - Fulerton, California - (7 deaths)
1970, 4 May - Kent State shootings (4 deaths)
1966, 12 November - Mesa, Arizona - (5 deaths)
1966, 1 August - University of Texas tower shooting - (17 deaths)
1940, May 6 - Pasadena - (5 deaths)
1893, December 13 - Charleston - (6 deaths)
1893, March 26 - Plain Dealing high school - (4 deaths)
1764, July 26 - Enoch Brown (10 deaths)

The one at Kent State was the National Guard who did the shooting. You had a total of 8 school shootings from 1764 through 1990. After 1990 till Feb 2018 there was 15 plus however many happened after that. In 226 years we had 8 and in 28 years we had 15 plus however many happened after that date.

School shootings weren't common prior to 1990. After 1990 they have become so. There's something that happened to these kids or didn't happen to these kids that should have.
 
Perotista said:
You act as if school shootings happen all the time and has been going on forever. I looked it up and here is the stats up to Feb 2018.

List of school shootings as of February 2018

2018, 14 February - Marjory Stoneman Douglas High school shootings - (17 dead)
2017, November 14 - Rancho Tehama Reserve shootings - (6 dead)
2015, 1 October - Umpqua Community College shooting - (10 dead)
2014, October 24- Marysville Pilchuck High School shooting - (5 dead)
2013, June 7 - 2013 Santa Monica shooting - (6 dead)
2012, December 14- Sandy Hook Elementary School shootings - (28 deaths)
2012, 2 April - Oikos University shooting - (7 deaths)
2008, February 14 - Northern Illinois University shooting - (6 deaths)
2007, 6 April - Virginia Tech massacre - (33 deaths)
2006, October 2 - West Nickel Mines School shooting - (6 deaths)
2005, 21 March - Red Lake shootings - (10 deaths)
1999, 20 April - Columbine High School massacre - (15 deaths)
1998, May 21 - Thurston High School shooting - (4 deaths)
1998, March 24 - Mitchell Johnson and Andrew Golden - (5 deaths)
1991, 1 November - University of Iowa shooting - (6 deaths)
1976, 12 July - Fulerton, California - (7 deaths)
1970, 4 May - Kent State shootings (4 deaths)
1966, 12 November - Mesa, Arizona - (5 deaths)
1966, 1 August - University of Texas tower shooting - (17 deaths)
1940, May 6 - Pasadena - (5 deaths)
1893, December 13 - Charleston - (6 deaths)
1893, March 26 - Plain Dealing high school - (4 deaths)
1764, July 26 - Enoch Brown (10 deaths)

The one at Kent State was the National Guard who did the shooting. You had a total of 8 school shootings from 1764 through 1990. After 1990 till Feb 2018 there was 15 plus however many happened after that. In 226 years we had 8 and in 28 years we had 15 plus however many happened after that date.

School shootings weren't common prior to 1990. After 1990 they have become so. There's something that happened to these kids or didn't happen to these kids that should have.
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Correlation or causation?

The History of Social Media: Social Networking Evolution! | History Cooperative
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
You don't know about that, you did it.
We're not just talking about Georgia. I've lived down there.
We're talking about a national economic issue.
I am sure that there are indeed still parts of Georgia where it is possible, or Arkansas, or Mississippi, or even Oklahoma.
Now try that elsewhere in the country, where rents top $1,000, 2,000 or even more per month.

I know, you'll probably say "then move".
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No, I won't say move. I live where I do because the taxes are low and housing is affordable. Besides I hate big cities. I couldn't imagine paying a thousand dollars a month for rent.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Correlation or causation?

The History of Social Media: Social Networking Evolution! | History Cooperative
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Possible one or both. Add to it the 24/7 media or news channels which put all this in front of impressionable minds. sort of let me seek the guts and glory type thing. Copycat in a way perhaps. What I do know is what is happening has something much more than to do with other things than just guns. Sure, a gun is a tool and used as a tool of death in these cases. But the germ, the thought had to be planted in these minds before any action was taken. Perhaps stricter parents and discipline at home could have kept the germ in check, perhaps parents just being there to show some love to their kids could have extinguished the germ.

I don't know.
 
trblmkr said:
Lots of working mothers don't work because they want to. They work because they have to. Because that job her husband has that used to pay for a home, a car, savings for the college fund, and maybe a vacation once and a while, doesn't anymore and hasn't for over 20 years. Children being raised by bad parents or other people is not the best situation.
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Couples in America can provide a great nurturing environment for their children as long as they are prepared to put up with things advertisers tell us not to put up with. If you are a young poor couple about to marry, here is my advice to you:

1) Don’t insist on having two cars, and don’t buy an expensive car. Have a second hand car, and fix it up.

2) Don’t insist on having a great house in a great suburb. Buy or rent a cheap house in a cheaper suburb, further away.

3) Don’t insist on both working. Let the man find a job, and let the woman stay at home and look after the children.

4) The man should not insist on getting a creamy job with the best wage. He should be prepared to work in any job, as long as he brings home the bacon.

5) The woman should be frugal when shopping. She should learn to cook and bake, and make a lot of the food they eat using raw ingredients. Grow vegetables if possible too, and have chickens for eggs.

6) Don’t insist on putting off having kids. Have them as early as possible to avoid complications. Have three or four, because they will be a great asset in the future.

7) Be proud and raise your children with proper discipline, just as your great grandparents did.

8) When you have enough wealth you can sell your house and buy a bigger one, maybe closer to the city.

9) Homeschool the kids, because the State will only ruin them with their Leftist propaganda

10) The kids should help out with cooking, cleaning, gardening and all other household chores.

The result will be that you will be healthy, wealthy, and your family will stay together, in most cases.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
The National Socialist Party was not started by Adolf Hitler.
In 1918, a league called the Freien Arbeiterausschuss für einen guten Frieden (Free Workers' Committee for a good Peace)[23] was created in Bremen, Germany. On 7 March 1918, Anton Drexler, an avid German nationalist, formed a branch of this league in Munich.
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Encyclopaedia Britannica:

Gottfried Feder [was a] German political activist who was the principal economic theoretician of the initial phase of German Nazism. Feder, a civil engineer, gained notoriety in 1919 for his vaguely socialistic “Manifest zur Brechung der Zinsknechtschaft” (“Manifesto on Breaking the Shackles of Interest”), and his speech before a German Workers’ Party meeting at Munich in September of that year provided the immediate inspiration for Adolf Hitler’s entry into politics. Feder’s socialist and anticapitalist ideas subsequently found expression in Hitler’s 25-point program for the National Socialist German Workers’ (Nazi) Party in March 1920, as well as in Feder’s own book, Der deutsche Staat auf nationaler und sozialer Grundlage (1923; “National and Social Bases of the German State”), considered by Hitler to be “the catechism of the [Nazi] movement.” Between 1924 and 1936 Feder sat in the German Reichstag and served as chairman of the Nazi Party’s economic council (1931), state secretary of the German Ministry of Economics (1933), and state housing commissioner (1934).

https://www.britannica.com/biography/Gottfried-Feder

Hitler’s National Socialist Worker’s Party (The Nazi Party) nationalized factories, took over companies, dictated production to private corporations, set price and wage controls, destroyed large retail outlets, maintained universal health care, placed limits on stock dividends, controlled capital and the means of production. Hitler was an evil socialist pig, and the Socialist label he picked was very deliberately chosen, for very clear reasons.

National Socialist Worker’s Party.

For those who say that Hitler hated other socialists; so what? Hating other socialists doesn’t cancel out one’s socialism, just as hating other capitalists doesn’t cancel out one’s capitalism. If George Bush hated England’s parliamentary democracy, would that mean the USA was no longer a democracy? Also, there are different breeds of socialists. Stalin killed Trotsky. Because the Nazis killed certain socialists is no argument that they themselves weren't socialists. Who says that socialist A can't kill socialist B? It happens throughout modern history. By that reasoning, Stalin was not a socialist because he killed socialists! What a fantasy the Left have developed!

As to the "outlawing of labor unions", this is evidence the Nazis were central planners. When a central government bans or outlaws any non-violent activity, it is evidence of central planning, not some free market, unregulated society.

Quite often Socialists will purge or murder various groups, minorities and races. Hitler did this with Jews, blacks, gypsies, and others. The Soviet Union did the same with different groups, including Jews. Mao was the same, as was Kim.

“In November 1948, Soviet authorities launched a campaign to liquidate what was left of Jewish culture. The leading members of the Jewish Anti-Fascist Committee were arrested. They were charged with treason, bourgeois nationalism and planning to set up a Jewish republic in Crimea to serve American interests. The Museum of Environmental Knowledge of the Jewish Autonomous Oblast (established in November 1944) and The Jewish Museum in Vilnius (established at the end of the war) were closed down in 1948. The Historical-Ethnographic Museum of Georgian Jewry, established in 1933, was shut down at the end of 1951.”

Stalin and antisemitism - Wikipedia

Nazis took over the means of production. Some examples include Junkers Flugzeug.

Junkers - Wikipedia

There was the automobile industry:

"Hitler envisioned widespread car ownership as part of the new Germany. He arranged for designer Ferdinand Porsche to draw up plans for the KdF-wagen (Strength Through Joy car), intended to be an automobile that every German citizen could afford."

Nazi Germany - Wikipedia

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Wage and price controls.

"Göring instituted wage and price controls and restricted the issuance of stock dividends."

Nazi Germany - Wikipedia

Controlling retail stores

“The Nazis were determined to eliminate the presence of large department stores (many of which were owned by Jews), and began to implement policies to curb their influence and expansion. Strict licensing requirements and temporary bans (all of which became permanent even after their expiry date) were passed which had an immediate effect on retail."

Economy of Nazi Germany - Wikipedia

Dictating to industry

Cars and other forms of motorized transport became increasingly attractive to the population, and the German motor industry boomed.[37] However, the government in Berlin banned many types of vehicles and allowed the production of only 19 different models of cars and trucks.[38] This decreased consumer choice and profits, and combined with rubber shortages to create what an American observer called, “drastic restrictions on the use of motor vehicles”.

Economy of Nazi Germany - Wikipedia

From the same link:

The British Marxist historian Timothy Mason, who was a leading expert on the economic history of Nazi Germany, argued that after the 1936 economic crisis, a "primacy of politics" prevailed with business interests being subordinated to the Nazi regime. In a 1966 essay, Mason wrote "that both the domestic and foreign policy of the National Socialist government became, from 1936 onward, increasing independent of the influence of the economic ruling classes, and even in some essential aspects ran contrary to their collective interests" and that "it became possible for the National Socialist state to assume a fully independent role, for the "primacy of politics" to assert itself". Mason used the following to support his thesis:

that after the 1936 economic crisis, German industrialists were increasingly excluded from the decision-making process…

that after 1936, the German state came to play an increasing dominant role in the German economy both through state-owned companies and by placing increasing larger orders.

that the expansion of armament-related production supported by a highly economically interventionist state led to those capitalist enterprises not related to armaments to go into decline.

the decline in effectiveness in economic lobbying groups in the Third Reich

that though every major German industrialist called for a reduction of working class living standards from 1933 onwards, before 1942 the Nazi regime always ignored such calls, and sought instead to raise working class living standards

Let’s not forget Germany's Universal Health Care, which the Nazis kept.

So the National Socialist Workers’ Party takes over Germany, controls industries either directly (Junkers) or indirectly (automotive), institutes wage controls, instituted price controls, maintained universal health care, punished successful retail outlets (Jewish owned), deficit spent on massive public works projects, put arbitrary limits on stock dividends, (again, controlling capital), then committed mass murder just as other socialist regimes (Stalin, Mao, Kim, Fidel) have, and we’re expected to believe they had nothing to do with socialism!

After WWII, Socialists in the West were very embarrassed by revelations about National Socialist Hitler’s atrocities. They scurried to distance themselves from him, by labelling him a “right winged fascist.” This was to protect the Left from his actions. This was okay as long as the Liberal media were in charge of information, but when the internet came along, the myth was exposed. Today many millions are setting the record straight online. A Google search for ‘Hitler was a socialist’ brings up millions of entries.

That’s the Left for you. Always trying to change history to protect their own lying socialist asses.
 
Perotista said:
You act as if school shootings happen all the time and has been going on forever. I looked it up and here is the stats up to Feb 2018.

List of school shootings as of February 2018

2018, 14 February - Marjory Stoneman Douglas High school shootings - (17 dead)
2017, November 14 - Rancho Tehama Reserve shootings - (6 dead)
2015, 1 October - Umpqua Community College shooting - (10 dead)
2014, October 24- Marysville Pilchuck High School shooting - (5 dead)
2013, June 7 - 2013 Santa Monica shooting - (6 dead)
2012, December 14- Sandy Hook Elementary School shootings - (28 deaths)
2012, 2 April - Oikos University shooting - (7 deaths)
2008, February 14 - Northern Illinois University shooting - (6 deaths)
2007, 6 April - Virginia Tech massacre - (33 deaths)
2006, October 2 - West Nickel Mines School shooting - (6 deaths)
2005, 21 March - Red Lake shootings - (10 deaths)
1999, 20 April - Columbine High School massacre - (15 deaths)
1998, May 21 - Thurston High School shooting - (4 deaths)
1998, March 24 - Mitchell Johnson and Andrew Golden - (5 deaths)
1991, 1 November - University of Iowa shooting - (6 deaths)
1976, 12 July - Fulerton, California - (7 deaths)
1970, 4 May - Kent State shootings (4 deaths)
1966, 12 November - Mesa, Arizona - (5 deaths)
1966, 1 August - University of Texas tower shooting - (17 deaths)
1940, May 6 - Pasadena - (5 deaths)
1893, December 13 - Charleston - (6 deaths)
1893, March 26 - Plain Dealing high school - (4 deaths)
1764, July 26 - Enoch Brown (10 deaths)

The one at Kent State was the National Guard who did the shooting. You had a total of 8 school shootings from 1764 through 1990. After 1990 till Feb 2018 there was 15 plus however many happened after that. In 226 years we had 8 and in 28 years we had 15 plus however many happened after that date.

School shootings weren't common prior to 1990. After 1990 they have become so. There's something that happened to these kids or didn't happen to these kids that should have.
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I never said nor implied school shootings happened all the time. At this point it's rather obvious that its copycat crime. And with the advancement of technology, copy catting and one upping it becomes easier and easier. More modern day kids have never understood the permanence and totality of death. They aren't exposed to it like they used to be in the past. Immaturity is simply the polite way of saying stupidity through inexperience. And we've weaponized stupidity in a grand way.
 
calamity said:
What do our Right Wing gun zealots want? They want their cake and eat it too. Today they blame the FBI for not reacting to the warnings on Cruz's FB page. Oh, really. So, tell me guys, what justifies the FBI doing anything?

1. He had pictures of legal guns on his posts---thanks to the NRA and their dog walkers.

2. He exercised free speech--thanks to the idiots who think all speech should be free and unrestricted.

So, tell me, Right Nuts, what did you want the FBI to do?
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He should have been charged for a credible threat under Florida 836.10. If found guilty he'd have been sentenced under 775.082 and 775.083. Either way he'd have probably lost his right to own a weapon and may have even been sent for psychiatric evaluation. Any of which might have prevented what he did.


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