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Colorado wants to issue their own green cards, except they’re purple

Casper said:
Interesting that the same ones that were supporting the AZ Sherriff setting his own immigration rules are now against a State trying to do the same thing, first it is States Rights then it is the State has no Rights in the matter, good grief...............
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Arpaio wasn't setting his own rules. He was enforcing the current ones.
 
Jesse Booth said:
Hey, that's states rights for you. :shrug: When our federal immigration and work visa systems have backlogs so long that some people have to wait a decade to get processed, it's about time the states stepoed up and dealt with their own economic situations.
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Expect its Federal Money...So No. Immigration is job clearly for the feds as read in Article 1 Section 8.
 
Jesse Booth said:
How would a state-run system for residency permits be reliant on federal money without congress passing a bill to pay for it?
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The state runs up the costs, using Federal funds meant for other uses to cover the cost. Nevermind the impose of the burdens on the Federal Welfare system these people will clearly abuse.
 
MSgt said:
Immigration really should be a national level issue.

But it fascinates me how quickly and on a dime you people turn when it comes to the idea of states' rights. It's another example on how Conservatives are confused anymore about their identities.

In the mean time, what's Texas' secession mood this week?
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If you ever read the Constitution you will see State rights have their limits See Art 1 Section 8.
 
Roadvirus said:
Arpaio wasn't setting his own rules. He was enforcing the current ones.
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When you ignore court orders then you are making your own rules.
 
PhysicalRemoval said:
The state runs up the costs, using Federal funds meant for other uses to cover the cost. Nevermind the impose of the burdens on the Federal Welfare system these people will clearly abuse.
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Call it bull****, but that's exactly how bureaucracy works. There is nothing unconstitutional about causing the Feds a headache by opening up a state residential liscence system.
 
Jesse Booth said:
Call it bull****, but that's exactly how bureaucracy works. There is nothing unconstitutional about causing the Feds a headache by opening up a state residential liscence system.
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Immigration is a power of the Federal Government.
 
Casper said:
Interesting that the same ones that were supporting the AZ Sherriff setting his own immigration rules are now against a State trying to do the same thing, first it is States Rights then it is the State has no Rights in the matter, good grief...............
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Interesting that the same ones that were against the AZ Sherriff setting his own immigration rules are now for a State trying to do the same thing, first it is the State has no Rights then it is States Rights in the matter, good grief...............

See how easy that is. If you think the other side is the only one being hypocritical here you are sadly mistaken.
 
MSgt said:
Creating official documentation that deals with immigration and naturalization, in the form of green of purple cards, is beyond the state's power.
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It's a brand new power. They just made it up. They aren't granting citizenship. They don't have to tell the feds ****.

MSgt said:
In other words, Kentucky may not decide that it only wants people from deepest darkest Africa or that Oregon prefers only Croatians. Ohio cannot decide that it wants only Liberians or that Texans only want Canadians.
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That would be a violation of the equal protection clause, not a general immigration problem. Technically if Texas wanted to give purple cards to Canadians and report only Mexicans to ICE there's little that the Feds could do about it. But if the ACLU caught wind of it they would sue the state of Texas for violating equal protections, and they would win.
 
MrWonka said:
It's a brand new power. They just made it up.
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Good grief. It is a power granted to Congress. They don't get to "make it up." This will not see the light of day.
 
MSgt said:
Good grief. It is a power granted to Congress. They don't get to "make it up." This will not see the light of day.
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Congress can decide who to kick out of the country, and who to let in. But if someone manages to get in without the Feds knowing, and they end up in a state that doesn't mind them being there the state can handle them being there however they want until such a time that the Feds figure out they're there. Given that the Feds rely heavily on referrals from city and state authorities they could potentially be there for quite some time.
 
Legally I don’t see how they could do this. It is a power granted to the federal government.

However, in principle I wouldn’t have a problem with it. I strongly believe more power needs to be taken from the federal government and given to the states. For the most part I think states and local governments should be able to run things they want as long as they aren’t trampling on the civil rights of individuals.

So, assuming that they couldn’t become US citizens or have access to and federal government funds, I would have zero problems with states allowing such a thing. But the purple card holder would have to stay in that state or risk being deported.

Again, that is in principle. It would require changes to the law that aren’t going to happen.
 
MrWonka said:
Congress can decide who to kick out of the country, and who to let in. But if someone manages to get in without the Feds knowing, and they end up in a state that doesn't mind them being there the state can handle them being there however they want until such a time that the Feds figure out they're there.
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Um...so break the law. Declaring that the state can do what it wants until the Feds "figure it out" is the legal point. A cop can look away from a farmer who's workers are mostly undocumented immigrants. The national government, as history has proven, and despite the rhetoric, will also continue to look away. We have just seen proof of this...

- "Build a Wall" to protect us from job stealing and crime ridden immigrants!

- Fine, I will give citizenship to almost two million immigrants and extend Syrian refugee status so that we can... "build a wall" to protect us from job stealing and crime ridden immigrants!


Obviously, it is ideological nonsense. But either way, the state may not codify their looking away as legal. You are not making a case here. I'm not sure what you are doing.
 
apdst said:
There are powers the states have and there are powers the states don't have. Naturalization is one of the powers they don't have.

I'm one of those Conservatives who never supported a state's violation of The Constitution.
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:lamo

And yet, you defended the systematic violation of African Americans' constitional rights by southern state governments for a century.
 
apdst said:
So, not a single link? That's what I thought.
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So, you are totally incapable of recalling your own words? I knew you wouldn't be, and I guess you are glad you've exposed yourself to everyone else as well.
 
Tigerace117 said:
So, you are totally incapable of recalling your own words? I knew you wouldn't be, and I guess you are glad you've exposed yourself to everyone else as well.
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Another who wants to post insults, but can't create coherent sentences.

This is why we don't want you people calling all the shots.
 
apdst said:
Another who wants to post insults, but can't create coherent sentences.

This is why we don't want you people calling all the shots.
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Yes, you Neo Confederates are particularly unhappy your romanticizing of the murder of thousands of US troops has largely fallen by the wayside.
 
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