• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Mass Murders[W:29]

Re: Mass Murders

I think you're right about this. For whatever reason it was around the 60s we decided not to care for the mentally ill in our midst. I remember when I was in Police Academy we would run down the streyle call the Allens Landing in Houston and there are all these homeless people that kind of just lived there and it seemed the majority of them were mentally ill which kind of goes together with drug addiction. The police had their hands they would drive down there to feed these folks so they would pull up the Vans and open them up twice to three times a day and they were full of Ike sandwiches and oranges in bottled water. What I don't understand is when did we decide that the thing to do with mentally ill was let them rot in the streets. It seems that if you go far enough back in history in the u.s. you find that there was a time when we cared we had hospitals devoted to mental illness we would take patients in most of the time they were arrested because of criminal acts but instead of just sticking them in prison or letting them rot in the street we had doctors that were there to help.

I don't understand why that stopped.
You’re right, but the real noticeable decline started with Reagan and his policies towards the care of the mentally ill.
 
Re: Mass Murders

Let us look at the last 8 or 10 mass shootings in this country and see what they have common, the AR15. That's right, They were all perpetrated by just one gun, the AR15. The so called civilian version of the military assault rifle. The difference is that one is fully automatic, the military version, and one is semi-automatic, the AR15. What does semi-automatic mean, it means it can shoot 45 rounds a minute without any additions like a bump stock, which are still legal.

Donald Trump just signed a law to make bump stocks illegal it doesn't mean you can't bump fire.

But now it's not a problem with the AR-15 there are probably hundreds of thousands of them that are owned by people and the US and they don't go Mass murdering people with it.

What could have prevented this last mass murder is the FBI not to being derelict in their duties.

Further there are lots of murders I believe there was 17250 in the US and between 400 and 500 of them were committed by rifles. The amount of murders committed with a knife was four times that so bending a rifle that's not a very common Murder weapon is not a good solution.
 
Re: Mass Murders

You’re right, but the real noticeable decline started with Reagan and his policies towards the care of the mentally ill.

Yes that's when a lot of hospitals got shut down but it was already declining.

It doesn't matter the point is we're dealing with the problem and it's a lack of compassion really when you think of a homeless person do you think that they're mentally ill or do you think that they're down on their luck I'm sure there's homeless people that spend a short bit of their life homeless because they got kicked out of a job or went through a divorce or their House burnd down. But a majority of them are homeless because they can't function they have a mental illness and treating that should be important not just to try and halt mass murder but to help our fellow man.

It's not a partisan issue I don't think it matters that all these hospitals were shut down during Reagan's era even if it was due to Reagan's economic principles blaming him only serves to say we don't have to worry about it because he did it he's dead he doesn't have to worry about it at all so the problem is ours now so we need to handle it that's how we need to focus on our problems let's please quit making them partisan and focus on the issues.
 
Yes, and have you ever noticed that when you advise this, the person in question never changes their habit? They just go on ignoring the quote function forever.

That is a somewhat annoying habit he has.
 
Today’s murderbrat school or church slayings are the subject, and that is an entirely new phenomenon. Kids from the past would never have dreamt of doing such things. That included weird kids, unstable kids, angry kids, vengeful kids, jealous kids and kids high on alcohol or drugs. They just would not sink so low as to take a gun to school and blast innocent kids and teachers. Now it happens on a regular basis. It takes a special kind of lowly coward. A murderbrat. How do you grow crops of murderbrats? Easy. Remove all discipline from their lives. You will end up with millions of murderbrats. Any one of them is capable of going berserk with an assault rifle for no reason at all, so whatever you do, keep them away from assault rifles.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Starkweather

No, actually, it dates back to at least the 1950s, and I'm sure if I dug a little deeper I could find ever more examples.

You are joking right? Human nature has not changed that much. And no, there are not "millions of people capable of going berserk at any time". That's hysterical nonsense.
 
Re: Mass Murders

The FBI knew who he was they could have gone and got him at any time when he purchased the gun legally he had to fill out a 4473 forum the dealer that sold it to him called the FBI and said hey FBI can I sell this gun to this guy and they said sure.

They did this before it was called Fast and Furious.

That's not what I was talking about and you very well know it. The FBI was warned two different times that this guy may be planning a school shooting and they did nothing.
 
Tigerace117:

Dude, you really need to learn how to use the quote function. Nobody sees your posts unless you do so.

I click on either the "Reply" or the "Replay with Quote" tabs and then type my response into the Quick Reply text box which appears. What am I doing wrong? I followed the instructions from the FAQ instructions on the forum. How is what I am doing stopping folks from seeing my posts? If there is a problem with what I am doing, then thank you for pointing that out.:newhere: (somewhat).

You were very clearly referring to ISIS and it's ilk in your post, so don't try to play dumb.

No, I wasn't. That is inference on your part. I was referring to all terrorists and other victims of US drone strikes around the globe. Not ISIS in particular.

No, they make the decision to strike the terrorist leader, and they avoid harming civilians if at all possible---which sometimes, thanks to the deliberate actions of the terrorists, it is not. And that's unfortunate, but it's part of life, and again has nothing to do with mass shootings.

That sounds good but it is far from the truth, and most people know that. If I burst into a room to kill an enemy and I have a sub-machine gun with which I kill my target and several other bystanders, I will be held legally liable for the deaths of all I kill. If I choose to blow up the room instead of shooting I will be also liable for all the deaths I cause. The intention to not kill is a false defence when one has a choice not to kill. The same principle applies to states, their militaries and their more covert arms (if they are caught).

And many times those surrounding a terrorist are in fact terrorists themselves, or sympathetic to the terrorist group. If they didn't to run the risk they shouldn't have decided to aid those who make a habit of shooting little girls for going to school.

Utter B.S. That is an absurd justification. Should the United Kingdom have targeted and killed Bostonians in America who supported violent Irish nationalists/terrorists during the worst of the troubles and also felt entitled to take out other Bostonians in close proximity because they could assume that those around the IRA fund-raisers in America were terrorists too? How do old men, women and children at a Pakistani funeral, at an Afghani wedding, sitting outside a Yemeni cafe or who are sleeping in the huts of a remote Yemeni village qualify as terrorists? They don't and yet your government and its agents routinely kill them. That is pathological delusion and you know it. That is the defensive-violence paradigm at work. Be it a first Nations village in California 150 years ago, a Filipino village a century ago, a Latin American village 65 years ago, a Laotian village 50 years ago or a Somali village just recently, it is murder, pure and simple and it is criminal behaviour.

The only thing that has protected your Armed Forces and covert operators from criminal liability and prosecution to date is the US threat of force against anyone or any institution which threatens realistically to prosecute Americans alleged to have engaged in such activities. The drone pilots and special operations operators, the helicopter pilots and the airstrike pilots are all culpable for the deaths which they cause as are their commanders or supervisors who ordered them to do it. This is even more true when said attacks occur in states with which the US is not at war or engaged in formal hostilities.

The U.S. has been accused of war crimes, so here's what will happen ? nothing: Neil Macdonald - CBC News | Opinion

What the US planners in the 1940s thought is totally irrelevant in more ways than one; that was more than sixty years ago. Time and the uncertainty principle makes it totally meaningless to evoke plans from decades ago----it's the equivalent of bringing up the Schlieffen Plan to declare Germany is about to head through Belgium.

B.S. again. The Grand Area strategy is still in effect as an active strategy from Sub-Saharan Africa to the South China Sea to the heart of Venezuela. It is no Schlieffen Plan or Fall Gelb of the past but is a policy and strategy which is very much in effect right now.

Conspiracy theory websites are generally not accepted on this website, no. One random dude's opinion does not an empire make.

You're calling the US Army War College, Andrew Bacevich and the Harvard Review and an independently funded research and news/opinion site CT sites? How bold of you, and some might say what brazen denial.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
Yes, and have you ever noticed that when you advise this, the person in question never changes their habit? They just go on ignoring the quote function forever.

Rob Larkin:

The person in question has been unaware that what he is doing is a problem.

Thank you for your generous input.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
there are on average a dozen gun related school deaths every year in this country of 350 million. No thinking person could possibly think this is such a serious, all encompassing issue that must be resolved if we are to live in peace. that constitutional rights must be trampled upon or outright removed. It's an important issue, yes. but certainly not the "national crisis" it has been made to look like. It's just not there in the numbers. It's just logic and math. that's all it takes to understand this issue.
 
Re: Mass Murders

That's not what I was talking about and you very well know it. The FBI was warned two different times that this guy may be planning a school shooting and they did nothing.

I know that's what you're talking about no offense implied. I'm just saying it's simply stinks like Fast and Furious. It's a connection in being derelict in their duties.

They clearly dropped the ball on this guy and I don't know why they did that.
 
Back
Top Bottom