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So how did he get in? Are all the security measures worthless?

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For over ten years I haven't been to a school where you could just walk in. They keep the doors locked and there are barriers, and someone has to "buzz" you in.

Most schools have a "resource officer" (aka cop) on site during school hours... some have two. Armed.


So how did this guy just waltz in with an AR15 and nobody knew until he started shooting? Nobody prevented him entering. Apparently no armed school resource officer intervened during the shooting.


Did this school just not have such security measures, or did they fail? If the latter, how?


I really, really want to know, but such details are scant in such shooting incidents.
 
I checked and confirmed what I'd heard before, that at Sandy Hook, Adam Lanza "shot out a glass panel next to the locked front doors".


GLASS? What the **** is the point of having the doors locked if there's an acre of GLASS to break?

I assumed all that stuff at the front of the school that looks like glass is Lexan. You aren't going to shoot Lexan out, not if its any thickness. You could put holes in it but it won't shatter, from my experience with it.


GLASS, of all things...

Apparently Newtown had no cops on site, no "resource officers" at the place... the cops didn't enter the building until after the last shot was fired. Useless... you can't stop a shooter unless you have armed responders on hand or very close by.
 
For over ten years I haven't been to a school where you could just walk in. They keep the doors locked and there are barriers, and someone has to "buzz" you in.

Most schools have a "resource officer" (aka cop) on site during school hours... some have two. Armed.


So how did this guy just waltz in with an AR15 and nobody knew until he started shooting? Nobody prevented him entering. Apparently no armed school resource officer intervened during the shooting.


Did this school just not have such security measures, or did they fail? If the latter, how?


I really, really want to know, but such details are scant in such shooting incidents.

Man oh man.
I had no idea it was like that. Last fall I walked into the local school and asked the first student I met where the office was.
I wonder what all that is teaching the kids.
 
Man oh man.
I had no idea it was like that. Last fall I walked into the local school and asked the first student I met where the office was.
I wonder what all that is teaching the kids.



Really? Not like that locally. My nephews' elementary school, the middle school, the high school, ALL have a security barrier and a cop or two.
 
For over ten years I haven't been to a school where you could just walk in. They keep the doors locked and there are barriers, and someone has to "buzz" you in.

Most schools have a "resource officer" (aka cop) on site during school hours... some have two. Armed.


So how did this guy just waltz in with an AR15 and nobody knew until he started shooting? Nobody prevented him entering. Apparently no armed school resource officer intervened during the shooting.


Did this school just not have such security measures, or did they fail? If the latter, how?


I really, really want to know, but such details are scant in such shooting incidents.

CNN does not care how he got in. They care about race, gun and religion. Facts are irrelevant to CNN
 
Man oh man.
I had no idea it was like that. Last fall I walked into the local school and asked the first student I met where the office was.
I wonder what all that is teaching the kids.

Blaming schools is pretty much what we should expect from the gun crowd here at DP.
What do you expect from the 'bump stocks are our 2nd amendment right' folks?
You won't see any of these people signing up to be the secretary that dies first after she lets them in, legally.

Today we saw my greatest fear realized, similar to shooters waiting for students when they exit a building when school lets out. We have a half dozen exits at our HS, impossible to cover them all.

I didn't know about this massacre with WMDs, weapons of massacre and death, until after I went in to help teach today. I went to my car before wrestling practice, listened to the news, and could only think of my reaction to Sandy Hook, my birthday.

We currently have a few students on expulsion for bringing guns to school.
One mistake by our beloved secretary is all it would take.

Who's going to pay for the next round of security measures, such as metal detectors sweeping our sports events?
Certainly not the extreme wing of the NRA which controls the GOP.
How many mentally unstable students will now copycat pulling alarms around our Nation?
Who could argue with a student who is afraid to walk out of the school ???
 
Blaming schools is pretty much what we should expect from the gun crowd here at DP.
What do you expect from the 'bump stocks are our 2nd amendment right' folks?
You won't see any of these people signing up to be the secretary that dies first after she lets them in, legally.

Today we saw my greatest fear realized, similar to shooters waiting for students when they exit a building when school lets out. We have a half dozen exits at our HS, impossible to cover them all.

I didn't know about this massacre with WMDs, weapons of massacre and death, until after I went in to help teach today. I went to my car before wrestling practice, listened to the news, and could only think of my reaction to Sandy Hook, my birthday.

We currently have a few students on expulsion for bringing guns to school.
One mistake by our beloved secretary is all it would take.

Who's going to pay for the next round of security measures, such as metal detectors sweeping our sports events?
Certainly not the extreme wing of the NRA which controls the GOP.
How many mentally unstable students will now copycat pulling alarms around our Nation?
Who could argue with a student who is afraid to walk out of the school ???



Figures... I ask a very relevant question and get insults and bull****.


I expected better from you, for some reason.
 
Really? Not like that locally. My nephews' elementary school, the middle school, the high school, ALL have a security barrier and a cop or two.

This is an elementary school. They've had a declining student count and had a room at the end of a hall full of rooms that were never going to be needed again so we started on turning it into a community kitchen, with canning and processing facilities that you will book time with. Pressure cookers, sausage grinders and stuffers, stuff like that. A big walk-in cooler. It all means that people from the community will be in and out. Security is if you're wandering around looking lost someone asks if they can help you.
Honestly, I had no idea there were armed security guards in schools. It's, well, apparently necessary but regrettable.
 
Figures... I ask a very relevant question and get insults and bull****.

No insults or bull**** directed at you, Goshin.
Try answering my substantive questions and statements, since I know firsthand of what I speak ...
 
This is an elementary school. They've had a declining student count and had a room at the end of a hall full of rooms that were never going to be needed again so we started on turning it into a community kitchen, with canning and processing facilities that you will book time with. Pressure cookers, sausage grinders and stuffers, stuff like that. A big walk-in cooler. It all means that people from the community will be in and out. Security is if you're wandering around looking lost someone asks if they can help you.
Honestly, I had no idea there were armed security guards in schools. It's, well, apparently necessary but regrettable.


If I remember correctly you live in rather small community with a near-zero crime rate.

That's lovely, but most of us don't.
 
Blaming schools is pretty much what we should expect from the gun crowd here at DP.
What do you expect from the 'bump stocks are our 2nd amendment right' folks?
You won't see any of these people signing up to be the secretary that dies first after she lets them in, legally.

Today we saw my greatest fear realized, similar to shooters waiting for students when they exit a building when school lets out. We have a half dozen exits at our HS, impossible to cover them all.

I didn't know about this massacre with WMDs, weapons of massacre and death, until after I went in to help teach today. I went to my car before wrestling practice, listened to the news, and could only think of my reaction to Sandy Hook, my birthday.

We currently have a few students on expulsion for bringing guns to school.
One mistake by our beloved secretary is all it would take.

Who's going to pay for the next round of security measures, such as metal detectors sweeping our sports events?
Certainly not the extreme wing of the NRA which controls the GOP.
How many mentally unstable students will now copycat pulling alarms around our Nation?
Who could argue with a student who is afraid to walk out of the school ???

When will we be blaming the shooter? When will we be allowed to point out unstable students? Why do we blame the NRA instead of our PC mentality?
 
If I remember correctly you live in rather small community with a near-zero crime rate.

That's lovely, but most of us don't.

You're right, I do, but I moved here from a city with a national reputation for crime- Surrey, BC. And there's no armed security in Surrey schools. I doubt there is anywhere in Canada, though I can only speak about the Vancouver area.
I'm not sayin', I'm just sayin' it's too bad it got to this.
 
And we all expect better from you, pulling the 'blame the schools first' card ...

Difference is, you're trying to solve the problem, he's trying to prevent this particular tragedy.
 
And we all expect better from you, pulling the 'blame the schools first' card ...


I don't know where you get that. When does asking what security measures were or were not in place, and if the latter why didn't they work, is blaming?

I live in podunk SC, and all our local schools have some pretty serious security that doesn't LOOK like it would be easily bypassed; they also have a cop or two on hand most of the time.

I THOUGHT these were common security measures... our schools have had them for 10-15 years.

I'm wondering if they had such things, and if not why not, and if they did how did they fail.

Knowing what went wrong is the first step to preventing repeats!
 
Figures... I ask a very relevant question and get insults and bull****.
In fairness, you're asking a question which will not be answered for a couple of days, as the media is covering the more important story of injuries and identifying suspect/victims. You should probably repost this in a couple of days.
When will we be blaming the shooter?
I don't know, when will we point out these mass murders are almost always conducted by the use of a firearm? Hell, for that matter, when are we going to note that almost all of these mass murders are being conducted by males?

When will we be allowed to point out unstable students?
He had already been expelled. What more are you looking for?

Why do we blame the NRA instead of our PC mentality?
Because "PC mentality" had absolutely nothing to do with this? Also, I'm not blaming the NRA for this particular event, just to be clear.
 
Difference is, you're trying to solve the problem, he's trying to prevent this particular tragedy.

As a retired teacher still very active in our HS, I know of what I speak.
Remember when these extremists supported plastic guns; and guns that could be made from a printer at our school no less?! There's no end to this insanity, as our front secretary said to me upon leaving school today.

I wouldn't blame any student in this Nation for not wanting to go to school for the rest of the week.
What a great way to celebrate President's Day weekend.

Beginning tomorrow, we have our state wrestling tournament.
We'll go through the metal detectors going in.
There's no way to stop plastic explosives and guns from entering without dogs at each entrance.

Our wrestling community is a conservative one, but in the good sense.
I'll continue to listen to them watching the 'wind of change' sweeping our Nation ...
 
Difference is, you're trying to solve the problem, he's trying to prevent this particular tragedy.



Umm... I don't get where he's trying to solve the problem. Not in any practical sense.
 
As a retired teacher still very active in our HS, I know of what I speak.
Remember when these extremists supported plastic guns; and guns that could be made from a printer at our school no less?! There's no end to this insanity, as our front secretary said to me upon leaving school today.

I wouldn't blame any student in this Nation for not wanting to go to school for the rest of the week.
What a great way to celebrate President's Day weekend.

Beginning tomorrow, we have our state wrestling tournament.
We'll go through the metal detectors going in.
There's no way to stop plastic explosives and guns from entering without dogs at each entrance.

Our wrestling community is a conservative one, but in the good sense.
I'll continue to listen to them watching the 'wind of change' sweeping our Nation ...


Nimby... Glocks are not plastic guns. There is plenty of steel in them, and they will not pass a metal detector.


You may know something about schools but you don't seem to know even the basics about firearms.


There are no all-plastic guns for sale anywhere tmk.
 
There are no all-plastic guns for sale anywhere tmk.
You gun people just can't stop posting things that aren't true, can you? ;)

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Nimby... Glocks are not plastic guns. There is plenty of steel in them, and they will not pass a metal detector.


You may know something about schools but you don't seem to know even the basics about firearms.


There are no all-plastic guns for sale anywhere tmk.

Deflecting from guns being the issue here is something I've dealt with on DP for 5 years.
Schools shouldn't have to deal with another unfunded mandate caused by over 300 million WMDs, weapons of massacre and death.

I've begged my Wife to carry concealed illegally to school and she won't protect herself.
Who in their right mind would ever want to be a teacher today with all the crap they have to deal with?

In the minds of NRA extremists, we need a posse of right-wing militias to guard churches, schools, and every other public event. The banana republicans of today have turned this Nation into a banana republic.
 
I can't believe I'm getting accused of blaming the schools.


I asked out of CONCERN. I have two nephews that live in my house who go to school still. I have four other children in my close family attending school. I was concerned to find out if other schools had similar security measures and if so why they failed and how.

I wasn't blaming anyone, I'm looking for what went wrong so we can hopefully improve school security.
 
Deflecting from guns being the issue here is something I've dealt with on DP for 5 years.
Schools shouldn't have to deal with another unfunded mandate caused by over 300 million WMDs, weapons of massacre and death.

I've begged my Wife to carry concealed illegally to school and she won't protect herself.
Who in their right mind would ever want to be a teacher today with all the crap they have to deal with?

In the minds of NRA extremists, we need a posse of right-wing militias to guard churches, schools, and every other public event. The banana republicans of today have turned this Nation into a banana republic.



Maybe you need to calm down.

In one breath you admit you tried to get your wife to carry illegally then expressed outrage that some want armed protectors at schools.

You're all over the place and making no sense.
 
This is an elementary school. They've had a declining student count and had a room at the end of a hall full of rooms that were never going to be needed again so we started on turning it into a community kitchen, with canning and processing facilities that you will book time with. Pressure cookers, sausage grinders and stuffers, stuff like that. A big walk-in cooler. It all means that people from the community will be in and out.

Never mind gunners. This school (and parents) and the community around it are not worried about attracting pedophiles? Or is it you all figure that the sausage grinder will scare pedophiles away? Maybe it does... I dunno.
 
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