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How democracies die, explained

I wasn't talking about "stripping of freedoms" beyond the endorsement of warrantless search and seizure by Sessions and attempts to gerrymander and at the same time, through purges and other tactics effectively prevent large numbers of people from voting.

Your side Gerrymanders too, never mind the whole using immigration thing to import future voters, as for the whole voting claim, we are just preventing people who should not be voting from doing so. Not sure why your side has an issue with this, maybe you can not win without cheating?

I don't see any chance of a wholesale "stripping of our freedoms" for most people any time soon. We are quite a ways from being Turkey or Venezuela, no matter how much Trump and his media and GOP enablers dislike it.

Says the said that uses FISA courts to spy based on lies.
 
Imagine if books included all the notes at the bottom of each page about edits. Most of the page would be filled with them. The best authors in the world continue editing their books for months, and as they say, "Writing is re-writing." For these reasons a poster should have at least ten minutes to edit a post, but apparently that's asking way too much. Still, these are very early days of the internet still. Discussion boards will evolve and change.

Ten minutes? Just freaking proof read your post before you hit "reply!" Or take your lumps. Don't let emotion rule, that you have to show his poster how erudite you are. Early days of the internet are behind us.....
 
I'm wondering if poster's screen names can be self fulfilling prophesies.......
 
Ten minutes? Just freaking proof read your post before you hit "reply!" Or take your lumps. Don't let emotion rule, that you have to show his poster how erudite you are. Early days of the internet are behind us.....

Put a sock in it. Sometimes a post might be a few hundred words long. Sometimes it will disappear due to a glitch, so it’s safer to post it before it does. If you notice any errors you edit them, but there will be a note about your editing stuck on as though you’ve been a naughty boy. Remember, not everyone posts a ten word grumble as you do. Some put up more intelligent posts, and they usually involve more words. I’m sure you’d have liked the Founding Fathers to have written the constitution in twenty words, with errors and edits all included, but that would hardly be much of a document.
 
Put a sock in it. Sometimes a post might be a few hundred words long. Sometimes it will disappear due to a glitch, so it’s safer to post it before it does. If you notice any errors you edit them, but there will be a note about your editing stuck on as though you’ve been a naughty boy. Remember, not everyone posts a ten word grumble as you do. Some put up more intelligent posts, and they usually involve more words. I’m sure you’d have liked the Founding Fathers to have written the constitution in twenty words, with errors and edits all included, but that would hardly be much of a document.


I got your sock, interesting choice of words! If you are here for any other reason than entertainment, let me tell you something: "ain't you dumb!"
 
So, are we on a slow decline that started long before DT, or is it going to be a coupe?

Or is this just a bunch of fear mongering, and everything is fine.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-poli...w-democracies-die-trump-book-levitsky-ziblatt

I agree, we have been in a decline for some time. I think beginning with the Hastert rule, the two parties have refused to work together for the good of the country. Always putting the good of the party way ahead of the nation. That since the Hastert rule the two parties have produced leaders that only think of their party, not the nation. Ask about any Democrat whom he considers the number one enemy or the biggest threat to this nation and he will answer the republican party. The same goes when the same question is directed to a republican. In the Republicans mind the biggest threat to this nation is the Democratic Party.

Perhaps the biggest threat to the future of this country is both major parties with their mindset they have today. Lose an election, try to destroy the winner. Forget about cooperation for the good of the country, forget about basing legislation on it merits, only base whether one party or the other will support of oppose to the max of their abilities on whom proposed the legislation. Good for the country, bad for the country, neither party cares about that. It is all about stopping the other party in their tracks.

what is needed is the people we send to Washington need to realize their Americans first and foremost. That they are Democrats and republicans further down the line. I think the realization of that is beyond hope. At least in today's political atmosphere.

Perhaps our decline didn't begin with the Hastert rule, but it sure helped. Perhaps it began when the Republicans shed their liberal wing, the Rockefeller Republicans and became hard core rightest. When the Democrat shed their conservative wing becoming liberal ideologues with no compromise within them. when both parties developed a litmus test for their members.

Until our two major political parties finally realize they must work together for the good of this country, this nation, we will continue to decline and perhaps soon fail. Until both parties realize that, stop fighting and stop trying to destroy the other, there is no making America great again. There is only the question of survival. How far will we fall?
 
I got your sock, interesting choice of words! If you are here for any other reason than entertainment, let me tell you something: "ain't you dumb!"

Thanks for your grunt reply. No wonder you don't need to worry about editing.
 
Your side Gerrymanders too, never mind the whole using immigration thing to import future voters, as for the whole voting claim, we are just preventing people who should not be voting from doing so. Not sure why your side has an issue with this, maybe you can not win without cheating?



Says the said that uses FISA courts to spy based on lies.

You make less and less sense. Maybe you're confusing me with a bunch of other people.

"Your side..." <- what's that? You use that phrase a lot, seemingly directing it at everyone.

"Says the said that uses FISA courts to spy based on lies." <- nonsense sentence. I think I know what you are trying to say, but you're wrong on every level. About me, the FISA court, everything.

You have a reset button? Use it.
 

Okay, there's some significant flaws with your logic. How exactly do you figure that our willingness to accept immigrants cause Communism & both world wars? No offense, but I have no idea what you're talking about there.

Also, I did not imply that immigration was causing our crime rate to go down, I merely pointed out that our crime rates have gone down in spite of immigration. This was a direct counter to your claim that immigration was creating more crime in America; it is not, and according to the statistics, immigrants are actually more law-abiding than native-born Americans.

As for your desired end goals, I certainly favor deporting illegal immigrants & skills based immigration. The ten year wait period confuses me, and requires context - is that for deported illegals? If so, why not simply put them into the skills based track with everyone else?

I can't say I'm familiar enough with population growth to put a number on immigration at present. Birthright citizenship is a very old aspect of our constitution, dating back to the end of the Civil War and I have no intention of repealing it. I'm ambivalent about the wall, as most of our illegal immigration is the result of people overstaying their visas - it just doesn't address the majority of the problem.
 
Okay, there's some significant flaws with your logic. How exactly do you figure that our willingness to accept immigrants cause Communism & both world wars? No offense, but I have no idea what you're talking about there.

Well if we did not take in so many Irish/Eastern Europeans the Democratic voter blocs would not have been created in the North East, No voter blocs, No Wilson, No entry into World War 1.

Had we not gotten into the war German would not have funded Lenin, who they sent to Russia with about 7 Million dollars and arms and caused the Communist Uprising that turned Russian into a Communist hellscape which would in turn start exporting it in the early 20s across the world.

If we had not entered the war Germany would likely have created a peace agreement and no Treaty of Versailles which was total unjust as Germany did nothing to even start the ****ing war to begin with.


Also, I did not imply that immigration was causing our crime rate to go down, I merely pointed out that our crime rates have gone down in spite of immigration.

And think of how much lower it could be with a Wall, Deportations, and vastly limited legal immigration.

This was a direct counter to your claim that immigration was creating more crime in America; it is not, and according to the statistics, immigrants are actually more law-abiding than native-born Americans.

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3099992

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/jan/26/illegals-commit-crimes-double-rate-native-born-stu/

That is clearly not true.

As for your desired end goals, I certainly favor deporting illegal immigrants & skills based immigration. The ten year wait period confuses me, and requires context - is that for deported illegals? If so, why not simply put them into the skills based track with everyone else?

No, the invaders go back and their fingerprints put them on to the "Denied Entry List"

The 10 year wait is for anyone with a green card applying to to become a citizen.

I can't say I'm familiar enough with population growth to put a number on immigration at present.
Shock: 80% of U.S. population growth is from immigrants, resources being sucked dry

80% of our growth is immigrant driven, we do not need or want it.
WE allow in 1.3 million people legally, never mind the number of illegals, there is ZERO problem made better by adding millions of more people, never mind the burdens, and cost the post 1965 immigrant groups impose.







Birthright citizenship is a very old aspect of our constitution, dating back to the end of the Civil War and I have no intention of repealing it.

We are not repealing it, we are just going to exclude illegals via a simple bill.
Anchor babies, birthright citizenship, and the 14th Amendment | immigration resources reference issues Its author was very clear with its intent.



I'm ambivalent about the wall, as most of our illegal immigration is the result of people overstaying their visas - it just doesn't address the majority of the problem.

A major of them do cross illegally, never mind the drug issue. A wall will work, that is why they are built all over the world, From Greece, Saudi Arabia, to Poland, To India, To Israel, To Mexico.

As for Visa an entry and exist tracking system will make it short work.
 
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