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Nunes memo: Perception is reality to far too many people.

Mycroft said:
I think it's possible that FOUR different FISA Judges were lied to by those corrupt individuals in the DOJ/FBI.
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According to several Democrats on the Senate Intel Committee that have actually seen the warrant applications (unlike Nunes), this is a complete and total lie.

Kind of like the stuff about Strzok being a Clinton supporter, when he was the one that is on the record demanding her investigation be reopened.

Pretty brazen of the GOP to come out and still say this stuff about him -- especially in light of public texts they demanded by made public.
 
Lutherf said:
Well, there is a good indication of what was used. The three supporting factors included in the memo were the Papadopolous warrant, the Isakoff article and the dossier. We know that the Papadopolous warrant was fluff because there is no real connection between him and Page. We also know that the Isakoff article was merely a spinoff of the dossier and also sourced from Steele. Unless there is a HUGE piece of evidence left out the dossier was the centerpiece and, perhaps, the only "real" piece. Throw in the fact that none of the principles who signed the warrant application disclosed the conflicts of interest or the circular reporting and you've got a pretty damning piece of paper.
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The dossier was only used in either the third or fourth time they went to the FISA Court for a warrant, And then it was only mentioned. TO get more than one warrant you would have to show that the warrent both the firsst and second warrantwas bringing in info worthy. So if this was used on the third warrant request, they must have been getting worthy info prior to this and prior to anyone even knowing about the dossier.
 
MovingPictures said:
According to several Democrats on the Senate Intel Committee that have actually seen the warrant applications (unlike Nunes), this is a complete and total lie.

Kind of like the stuff about Strzok being a Clinton supporter, when he was the one that is on the record demanding her investigation be reopened.

Pretty brazen of the GOP to come out and still say this stuff about him -- especially in light of public texts they demanded by made public.
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Which Democrats on the Senate Intel Committee have actually seen the warrant applications? Name them.
 
independentusa said:
The dossier was only used in either the third or fourth time they went to the FISA Court for a warrant, And then it was only mentioned.
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Oh? And you know this...how? Who has revealed classified information to you?

TO get more than one warrant you would have to show that the warrent both the firsst and second warrantwas bringing in info worthy. So if this was used on the third warrant request, they must have been getting worthy info prior to this and prior to anyone even knowing about the dossier.
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I think you are speculating, at best...making stuff up, at worst. I haven't seen any proof to anything you've said in this post.

Do you have proof?

Oh?

Do you have proof of this?
 
Mycroft said:
Which Democrats on the Senate Intel Committee have actually seen the warrant applications? Name them.
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Mark Warner and Jerry Nadler have both seen the warrant application, while Nunes has not.
 
MovingPictures said:
Mark Warner and Jerry Nadler have both seen the warrant application, while Nunes has not.
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Gowdy has seen it...Gowdy reported to Nunes what was there. Nunes used that information to create his memo.

Where is Warner's memo? Where is Nadler's memo? I'd like to see them. Wouldn't you?

Or, are you satisfied with them withholding information from you? Maybe you agree with the "Cuomo Tactic"?

I'm not.
 
Mycroft said:
Gowdy has seen it...Gowdy reported to Nunes what was there. Nunes used that information to create his memo.

Where is Warner's memo? Where is Nadler's memo? I'd like to see them. Wouldn't you?

Or, are you satisfied with them withholding information from you? Maybe you agree with the "Cuomo Tactic"?

I'm not.
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And what did Gowdy say? Oh that's right, that none of this undermined Mueller at all. :doh

Keep owning yourself.
 
Mycroft said:
He's busy with that Trump/Russia business that nobody seems to care about anymore. He doesn't have time to investigate crooked people in the Obama FBI.
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The Russian investigation is going nowhere and he knows it since he most likely took part in starting the investigation in the first place. It's now an obstruction, jay walking, possible stumbling on words investigation in order to get any excuse to start impeachment proceedings.
 
Mycroft said:
I think it's possible that FOUR different FISA Judges were lied to by those corrupt individuals in the DOJ/FBI.
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Yes, those lying liars appointed by TRUMP in two of those renewals.

The other more likely possibility is the DoJ and FBI got a good faith warrant on Page and subsequent events demonstrated that, hence the 3 renewals, including by Trump appointees in the Trump led FBI and DoJ.
 
Lutherf said:
Meeting with Russians is not a crime and it's not an indication of espionage. Page didn't make any deals with anyone. He didn't take any bribes. He didn't do a doggone thing other than, perhaps, overhype his importance. There's no doubt that Russians were playing the guy but there's no evidence that Page took the cookie.
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Obtaining evidence someone like Page, being played by the Russians, "took the cookie" would of course be the PURPOSE of the warrant.
 
MovingPictures said:
And what did Gowdy say? Oh that's right, that none of this undermined Mueller at all. :doh

Keep owning yourself.
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Who cares about Mueller?

Don't you care about the FBI breaking laws?
 
Lutherf said:
Well, there is a good indication of what was used. The three supporting factors included in the memo were the Papadopolous warrant, the Isakoff article and the dossier. We know that the Papadopolous warrant was fluff because there is no real connection between him and Page. We also know that the Isakoff article was merely a spinoff of the dossier and also sourced from Steele. Unless there is a HUGE piece of evidence left out the dossier was the centerpiece and, perhaps, the only "real" piece. Throw in the fact that none of the principles who signed the warrant application disclosed the conflicts of interest or the circular reporting and you've got a pretty damning piece of paper.
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Yup and that piece of evedince Mr Mueller has in his possession.
 
Mycroft said:
Gowdy has seen it...Gowdy reported to Nunes what was there. Nunes used that information to create his memo.

Where is Warner's memo? Where is Nadler's memo? I'd like to see them. Wouldn't you?

Or, are you satisfied with them withholding information from you? Maybe you agree with the "Cuomo Tactic"?

I'm not.
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Nadler has one, now it up to trump to release it, will you support its release or are you against the whole truth coming out? FYI, he has already publically stated that the Nunes memo is inaccurate.
 
Mycroft said:
Who cares about Mueller?

Don't you care about the FBI breaking laws?
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Obviously trump and many of his supporters do care.

What laws were broken?
 
R0bb0b said:
The Russian investigation is going nowhere and he knows it since he most likely took part in starting the investigation in the first place. It's now an obstruction, jay walking, possible stumbling on words investigation in order to get any excuse to start impeachment proceedings.
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So jay walking and Obstruction are similar how ? One will get a President impeached, the other it will get him a civil court ticket. See the difference? Either way Trump pardons himself.
 
JasperL said:
Yes, those lying liars appointed by TRUMP in two of those renewals.

The other more likely possibility is the DoJ and FBI got a good faith warrant on Page and subsequent events demonstrated that, hence the 3 renewals, including by Trump appointees in the Trump led FBI and DoJ.
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Lying liars that are losing their jobs. Comey, McCabe, Yates, etc.

Yes...Trump certainly made a mistake leaving those Obama people in their positions, since those people not only committed crimes against the FISA Court, they've been hiding information from the President and working...behind his back...against him.

And that's just the ones we know about. Who knows how many lower-ranked DOJ and FBI people were/are involved?

I think it's high time for a purge. Time to clean house in the FBI and the DOJ. I recognize, though, that my reaction wouldn't be the best way to deal with this mess. Trump is dealing with it in a better way. He has Congress doing the investigation. He has Congress calling for a Special Counsel. He has other people doing the firing. And they are doing all this very carefully.

btw, that "good faith" thing you mentioned? Nonsense. This wasn't just some mistake or technical violation...they didn't put "am" instead of "pm". The crooked FBI/DOJ DELIBERATELY left out pertinent and necessary information. And they did it over and over.
 
Casper said:
Obviously trump and many of his supporters do care.

What laws were broken?
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Perjury and abuse of power. Both felonies. Years in jail possible.
 
Casper said:
Nadler has one, now it up to trump to release it, will you support its release or are you against the whole truth coming out? FYI, he has already publically stated that the Nunes memo is inaccurate.
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The more transparency the better.

I want to see it all...make up my own mind.

But I'll warn you right now...Nadler had better give me facts in his memo...like Nunes did. If his memo is nothing but his opinions, it's useless.
 
Manc Skipper said:
That's Trump covered. What laws have the FBI broken, and which members did so?
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Those are the violations from the FBI. The five current investigations will tell us who.
 
Mycroft said:
Perjury and abuse of power. Both felonies. Years in jail possible.
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You proof of such claims? Oh, proof means Facts, not a memo. You support releasing the counter memo, that says that Nunes is not factual, do you want the whole truth reveled?
 
Lutherf said:
Well, there is a good indication of what was used. The three supporting factors included in the memo were the Papadopolous warrant, the Isakoff article and the dossier. We know that the Papadopolous warrant was fluff because there is no real connection between him and Page. We also know that the Isakoff article was merely a spinoff of the dossier and also sourced from Steele. Unless there is a HUGE piece of evidence left out the dossier was the centerpiece and, perhaps, the only "real" piece. Throw in the fact that none of the principles who signed the warrant application disclosed the conflicts of interest or the circular reporting and you've got a pretty damning piece of paper.
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This is wrong. 1) Papadpolous was not a basis for the warrant. 2) Page was a self-identified "advisor to the Kremlin" with known contacts to Russian intelligence officials. 3) the Court was, in fact, informed that Steele's information was paid opposition political research. It might also be noted that prosecutors and judges are well acquainted with the fact that people who inform on other people often have a bias against those they accuse. Accusations therefore are greeted with professional skepticism and judgments are made on what evidence there is to support the accusation irrespective of the accuser's motive. SOP, friends.
 
Mycroft said:
The more transparency the better.

I want to see it all...make up my own mind.

But I'll warn you right now...Nadler had better give me facts in his memo...like Nunes did. If his memo is nothing but his opinions, it's useless.
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Useless, like what was in the Nunes memo?

I have a better idea, cut to the chase and release the actual information used to get the warrants, then arrest everyone that is a Liar and charge them with Treason, you feeling lucky?
 
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