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This Nunes memo could cause havoc with our judicial system!!!!

I doubt anyone is afraid of it being released, the concern for some is that this a Memo, not some study, not something that has been scrutinized for accuracy or for factual content. I find it interesting that Cons claim the entire Mueller investigation is based on a dossier made up by Dems, (it wasn't that is not how the FBI actually operates, but besides that), they call it unproven and not valid evidence, yet those same Cons are willing to release a Memo that is probably even more problematic is it's accuracy and claim it is enough to attack federal agents and possibly destroy their careers even if proven to be untrue at a later date. I wonder if there is no low that is too low for some to protect their own political power. IMO this is all nothing but a vain attempt to stop an investigation into serious wrong doing on the part of people within our government and that end the end there will be people that will pay heavily for their part in obstructing justice, prison may be too good for a few since it is beginning to smack of actual Treason.

Jr. put this out on Twitter today........

@DonaldJTrumpJr

It was good enough to fire McCabe, no one argues its factually inaccurate, but now days later they want to protect the names of those involved in a scandal that was big enough to fire a senior official a month before retirement? They don’t deserve a pass on that!

12:33 PM - 1 Feb 2018
 
I doubt anyone is afraid of it being released, the concern for some is that this a Memo, not some study, not something that has been scrutinized for accuracy or for factual content. I find it interesting that Cons claim the entire Mueller investigation is based on a dossier made up by Dems, (it wasn't that is not how the FBI actually operates, but besides that), they call it unproven and not valid evidence, yet those same Cons are willing to release a Memo that is probably even more problematic is it's accuracy and claim it is enough to attack federal agents and possibly destroy their careers even if proven to be untrue at a later date. I wonder if there is no low that is too low for some to protect their own political power. IMO this is all nothing but a vain attempt to stop an investigation into serious wrong doing on the part of people within our government and that end the end there will be people that will pay heavily for their part in obstructing justice, prison may be too good for a few since it is beginning to smack of actual Treason.

As former FBI special agent and current Yale Law professor Asha Rangappa writes (hat-tip to my colleague Andrew Prokop):

The Nunes Memo reportedly alleges that at least a dozen FBI agents and DOJ prosecutors fabricated evidence, engaged in a criminal conspiracy to commit perjury, lucked out on being randomly assigned Judge Low Blood Sugar who looked the other way, and — coincidentally — ended up obtaining evidence that justified extending the initial FISA surveillance. ...

If Nunes has in fact singlehandedly uncovered this vast criminal enterprise, it’s hard to know what’s more astonishing: That a government bureaucracy managed to pull it off — or that Nunes has exposed it all in a scant four-page memo.


This isn’t the first time Republicans have pushed incredibly farfetched theories of how Hillary Clinton is connected to some deeply corrupt schemes. We made a similar diagram explaining the conspiracy theory around the Uranium One deal. What we know of the Nunes memo’s theory, however, might push a more baseless narrative.
https://www.vox.com/2018/2/1/16955472/nunes-memo-release-diagram
 
Not really sure what that has to do with what I posted. Let me ask, LOL, are you really interested in justice or just justice for some?

You seem to want a different standard applied, depending on if it's someone you support.

You are all for President Trump and anyone connected to him being tried in the court of public opinion, but when the tables are turned, that's wrong and un-American.
 
Should get interesting. Schiff now claiming the memo was 'secretly changed' before giving it to the WH. :roll:

That feels like desperation.
 
I said that the justice system is crap, all of it, from the laws to the courts to the prisons to the penalties we impose after prison.

Dont you dare minimize my objections to the failed American justice system.

That's the message Trump and the RTrolls want you to receive and rebroadcast. What a good little soldier!
 
That's the message Trump and the RTrolls want you to receive and rebroadcast. What a good little soldier!

Here is me saying it in 2012

1 not guilty and 5 counts no verdict....as widely predicted the state came off looking out of line and out of control. One of these days the american people are going to have to own how ****ed up our "justice system" is, as well as our government as a whole.
https://able2know.org/topic/173010-1

I speak for me, and I am right a high percentage of the time.

I work for me, once you get that down, if you get that down, then perhaps we can continue.
 
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The judicial system is crap, havoc is called for.

This is the kind of attitude that can create havoc. It's an attitude grounded in ignorance and blinding bias. The judicial system is the country's refuge from the political system.
 
This is the kind of attitude that can create havoc. It's an attitude grounded in ignorance and blinding bias. The judicial system is the country's refuge from the political system.

The rule of law is everything.

It's tragic how bad our law is.

The geniuses who run the justice system have failed America.
 
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The rule of law is everything.

It's tragic how bad our law is.

The law is fine. Some are trying to trample the law. It's been tried before. Doesn't work in the long run. Dies tried it in Roosevelt's time. McCarthy tired it. Now Trump and Nunes (who's "made his career a sacrifice fly for Trump", as a congressman said yesterday) are trying it. Won't work this time either.
 
The law is fine. Some are trying to trample the law. It's been tried before. Doesn't work in the long run. Dies tried it in Roosevelt's time. McCarthy tired it. Now Trump and Nunes (who's "made his career a sacrifice fly for Trump", as a congressman said yesterday) are trying it. Won't work this time either.

Your information is bad. The fact that none of the people who almost brought the economy to its knees through criminal acts saw the inside of a prison should have been clue #295 that the so called justice system does not provide justice.
 
This is the kind of attitude that can create havoc. It's an attitude grounded in ignorance and blinding bias. The judicial system is the country's refuge from the political system.
So are you also of the opinion that claims of systemic racism should be ignored because you want to avoid wreaking havoc in the justice system?

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So are you also of the opinion that claims of systemic racism should be ignored because you want to avoid wreaking havoc in the justice system?

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Such as what, a law against prejudice? Systemic racism is an entrenched societal problem the judicial system can do only so much about it, e.g., enforcing civil rights laws, blocking efforts to curb black voting.
 
Such as what, a law against prejudice? Systemic racism is an entrenched societal problem the judicial system can do only so much about it, e.g., enforcing civil rights laws, blocking efforts to curb black voting.
We have been told that our justice system is full of racist cops and judges. People have lost confidence over this. I'm just wondering if you believe none of that should be exposed because it would wreak havoc. That is the argument your making above. Does it apply universally or is it only meant to silence groups you don't like?

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Lets say I am a convicted criminal where the prosecutor used evidence from the FBI. Tomorrow I will be having my attorney in the court house asking for a new trial, why because the President and the GOP in the House says that the FBI can't be trusted. If they say the FBI can't be trusted, how can you convict me using anything that comes from the FBI. The jurors needed too know that the FBI couldn't be trusted and in my new trial they need to know that according to Trump and his supporters in Congress, the FBI can't be trusted and how can they convict me with evidence coming from a government agency that can't be trusted. It might not work every time, but it may happen often enough to create havoc in our judicial system.

The memo has to do with high ranking members of the FBI and the Justice Department, who are political hacks, who served only one political party, and not all the citizens. This goes against the Constitution. The impact of the memo, will be at the highest levels of the FBI, Justice department and the DNC. These top jobs and career paths, interface with politics and can get biased due to political pressure. The rank and file agents, who are not invited to the big wig cocktail parties, who are looking out for all citizens, will still be trusted.

The problem the Democrats now have is the memo will outline how the DNC and its propaganda wing, media, at the high levels, worked as a team to scam and defraud America, using Russian propaganda. This was all common knowledge in Washington, since almost the beginning. However, the corruption was well rooted and very strong, such that everyone was afraid to speak up or act.

Trump knew he was wired tapped, as he put it, during the campaign. Everyone in the Washington loop knew this, but everyone also knew how this corrupt cast of characters, in positions of power, would come after you, if you said or did anything. The resistance needed evidence and not just common here say. The evidence was slowly collected, over the past year, and now, those who knew, but who were afraid to do anything, have a way to grow a set of balls and do the right thing.

The swamp was real and not a just campaign slogan. Just that nobody was willing to address the swamp, never mind drain the swamp, until Trump. The the swamp showed everyone what it was capable of when it geared up against Trump. Trump was too strong and lasted as the evidence was gathered.

The Democrats are going to suffer, hurt, due to their collective lawlessness, since the scandal goes in all the directions and will drain the swamp. There is freedom of the press and Trump seems to forgive the hack partisan reporters. He said their bosses probably forced them. The owners of the various liberal rags may have to explain their actions in court, since their propaganda favored the Russian goal of bottlenecking USA politics. This will be fun and will take us through the midterms. Sumer and Pelosi will need to explain their role since they both spoke on cue and in parallel to the propaganda.

What could be done would be to remove the security clearances, from all those members of congress who where involved. This could be determined by their recored talking points, if these matches the choreographed propaganda. This could wipe out the current Democratic leadership. They will not go to jail, but will not be able to go to work. They can be reassigned to the national parks in Alaska. We can have a run off for their seats, before the midterms.
 
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You seem to want a different standard applied, depending on if it's someone you support.

You are all for President Trump and anyone connected to him being tried in the court of public opinion, but when the tables are turned, that's wrong and un-American.

Then you are totally clueless to what I stand for, let me clarify:
I have no Party, I am an Independent and always have been one that puts the USA over any political Party,
I support the rule of law and want all those that commit crimes to be punished, especially those in high or elected office,
I believe there is far more than enough evidence to show that the Russians attempted to highjack our elections,
I believe there is plenty of evidence to warrant an investigation into those connected to the trump campaign in regards to possible collusion with the Russians, including the President himself,
I am more than a little confident that Mueller is an honest investigator that will do his job to the best of his ability, and will clear up the matter to the satisfaction of anyone interested in actual Justice, and am willing to live with whatever that is,
I believe that this Nunes memo is nothing more than an attempt to obstruct justice and that in the end he may very well face charges on that,
I believe that if there is strong evidence that the FBI or DOJ are not doing their jobs as mandated then there should be an investigation and the Agencies reformed as needed.
Believe that covers it all and should clear up your confusion.
As for whom only wants the "other guys" investigated or prosecuted, we both know that is You, you have made that perfectly clear on more than one occasion, why not at least man up and admit it.
 
Lets say I am a convicted criminal where the prosecutor used evidence from the FBI. Tomorrow I will be having my attorney in the court house asking for a new trial, why because the President and the GOP in the House says that the FBI can't be trusted. If they say the FBI can't be trusted, how can you convict me using anything that comes from the FBI. The jurors needed too know that the FBI couldn't be trusted and in my new trial they need to know that according to Trump and his supporters in Congress, the FBI can't be trusted and how can they convict me with evidence coming from a government agency that can't be trusted. It might not work every time, but it may happen often enough to create havoc in our judicial system.

If you were convicted of an alleged political crime, you might have a case. Otherwise, the judge is going to laugh at your dumbass attorneys...until he gets pissed at them for wasting his time.
 
Then you are totally clueless to what I stand for, let me clarify:
I have no Party, I am an Independent and always have been one that puts the USA over any political Party,
I support the rule of law and want all those that commit crimes to be punished, especially those in high or elected office,
I believe there is far more than enough evidence to show that the Russians attempted to highjack our elections,
I believe there is plenty of evidence to warrant an investigation into those connected to the trump campaign in regards to possible collusion with the Russians, including the President himself,
I am more than a little confident that Mueller is an honest investigator that will do his job to the best of his ability, and will clear up the matter to the satisfaction of anyone interested in actual Justice, and am willing to live with whatever that is,
I believe that this Nunes memo is nothing more than an attempt to obstruct justice and that in the end he may very well face charges on that,
I believe that if there is strong evidence that the FBI or DOJ are not doing their jobs as mandated then there should be an investigation and the Agencies reformed as needed.
Believe that covers it all and should clear up your confusion.
As for whom only wants the "other guys" investigated or prosecuted, we both know that is You, you have made that perfectly clear on more than one occasion, why not at least man up and admit it.

Then you should be all for the release of Nunes' memo.
 
Then you should be all for the release of Nunes' memo.

I am against it because it has not been vetted and feel confident that if it were to be it would not be because it is not factual or the entire picture. That said it looks like we will see what it says, but before celebrating too much you might want to wait to see how this addressed by the FBI and others, rushing a gotta moment too soon often leads to getting got yourself, has happened many times to both sides. Personally I believe it will be proven to be cherry picked nonsense in an attempt to obstruct justice and that Nunes may very well be held accountable, along with others. We shall see, going to be a busy 2018.
 
Just another day at the Trump WH.

Appears so. I'm just reading that Kelly and Trump went over the memo, and Kelly said the claims are not as damaging as the GOP has led Trump to believe. He also said that making it public would NOT risk national security. So as usual, the Democrats lied and the Republicans lied. We shall see.

It's a story on the hill.com, but the link is on my phone. Sorry.
 
I am against it because it has not been vetted and feel confident that if it were to be it would not be because it is not factual or the entire picture. That said it looks like we will see what it says, but before celebrating too much you might want to wait to see how this addressed by the FBI and others, rushing a gotta moment too soon often leads to getting got yourself, has happened many times to both sides. Personally I believe it will be proven to be cherry picked nonsense in an attempt to obstruct justice and that Nunes may very well be held accountable, along with others. We shall see, going to be a busy 2018.

Did you reject the Steele Dossier?
 
Lets say I am a convicted criminal where the prosecutor used evidence from the FBI. Tomorrow I will be having my attorney in the court house asking for a new trial, why because the President and the GOP in the House says that the FBI can't be trusted. If they say the FBI can't be trusted, how can you convict me using anything that comes from the FBI. The jurors needed too know that the FBI couldn't be trusted and in my new trial they need to know that according to Trump and his supporters in Congress, the FBI can't be trusted and how can they convict me with evidence coming from a government agency that can't be trusted. It might not work every time, but it may happen often enough to create havoc in our judicial system.
If there is corruption in the judicial process that resulted in someone's rights being compromised by the government, then it would be good thing for that to come out and for those responsible to be punished.
 
Did you reject the Steele Dossier?

I have not read it, have you? But from what I gather there is plenty of evidence in it that points to wrong doing on the part of trump and/or those around him. While intended to be a tool to attack an opponent, both Parties do this, the document was produced through investigation and not simply some fictional story made up by the DNC so the source means nothing to me if it is true. Same goes for the Nunes Memo, it is meant to serve a purpose and I am sure it does have factual data within it, but is it all the facts of just part of them, if it is full of half truths then it is a clear attempt to subvert and derail the current investigation and those responsible should be held accountable under the law.
Let me ask this, both the Director of the FBI and DOJ are trump appointees, if their agencies are so corrupt then why is that neither seemed to know this and why is they have not made this public before now and why have they done nothing to address it, both have been in place long enough to expect that to have happened? My guess is it all a load of BS and as such if neither stands up to this effort, I see the FBI Director just might, then as such they are complacent in allowing justice to be subverted and obstructed and as such should face the same penalties anyone else involved does. I am a firm believer in accountability for ones actions be they right or wrong and no matter who they are, and as an American that supports what this Nation was Founded on so should you.
 
The memo has to do with high ranking members of the FBI and the Justice Department, who are political hacks, who served only one political party, and not all the citizens. This goes against the Constitution. The impact of the memo, will be at the highest levels of the FBI, Justice department and the DNC. These top jobs and career paths, interface with politics and can get biased due to political pressure. The rank and file agents, who are not invited to the big wig cocktail parties, who are looking out for all citizens, will still be trusted.

The problem the Democrats now have is the memo will outline how the DNC and its propaganda wing, media, at the high levels, worked as a team to scam and defraud America, using Russian propaganda. This was all common knowledge in Washington, since almost the beginning. However, the corruption was well rooted and very strong, such that everyone was afraid to speak up or act.

Trump knew he was wired tapped, as he put it, during the campaign. Everyone in the Washington loop knew this, but everyone also knew how this corrupt cast of characters, in positions of power, would come after you, if you said or did anything. The resistance needed evidence and not just common here say. The evidence was slowly collected, over the past year, and now, those who knew, but who were afraid to do anything, have a way to grow a set of balls and do the right thing.

The swamp was real and not a just campaign slogan. Just that nobody was willing to address the swamp, never mind drain the swamp, until Trump. The the swamp showed everyone what it was capable of when it geared up against Trump. Trump was too strong and lasted as the evidence was gathered.

The Democrats are going to suffer, hurt, due to their collective lawlessness, since the scandal goes in all the directions and will drain the swamp. There is freedom of the press and Trump seems to forgive the hack partisan reporters. He said their bosses probably forced them. The owners of the various liberal rags may have to explain their actions in court, since their propaganda favored the Russian goal of bottlenecking USA politics. This will be fun and will take us through the midterms. Sumer and Pelosi will need to explain their role since they both spoke on cue and in parallel to the propaganda.

What could be done would be to remove the security clearances, from all those members of congress who where involved. This could be determined by their recored talking points, if these matches the choreographed propaganda. This could wipe out the current Democratic leadership. They will not go to jail, but will not be able to go to work. They can be reassigned to the national parks in Alaska. We can have a run off for their seats, before the midterms.

^^^^^:screwy
 
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