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Conservatives, would it kill you to admit Obama did a good job?

It seems to me that with 2 years of pure Obama policy we didn't see any significant improvement so I'm not sure how Republicans jumping on that train would have fixed anything. Basically, the improvements really started to take hold once the Democratic policies were put in check.

In part I agree, but as I said, had they all worked together instead we would have been much better off.
 
as was the case with Clinton-who had the benefit of the dot.com bubble. Newt made Clinton successful

You sure about that? This guy disagrees:

 
You have to love the GOP partisan hacks on this thread. When a Republican is president and the economy is good, it's because of the president's policies. When a Republican is president and the economy is bad, it's the Democrats fault. When a Democrat is president and the economy is good, it's because of the GOP. When a Democrat is president and the economy is bad, it's because of the president's policies. Their political masters have groomed them well.
 
Under Obama, we had the longest streak of private sector job growth in history. That's a fact.

U.S. enjoying its longest-lasting streak of jobs growth

When Obama took office we were losing more jobs than any time in 34 years. The economy was a disaster. The DOW was bellow 8,000 and falling. That's a fact.

The economy changed directions under Obama. We recovered from one of the biggest recessions in our history under Obama.

Why can't you swallow your pride and admit Obama did a good job?

Except that the growth was the result of the market's response to a more conservative and pro-business Congress, not to anything that Pres. Obama did. Just as the continuing growth has far more to do with the continuing pro-business/conservative Congress and little to do with Pres. Trump.
 
Under Obama, we had the longest streak of private sector job growth in history. That's a fact.

U.S. enjoying its longest-lasting streak of jobs growth

When Obama took office we were losing more jobs than any time in 34 years. The economy was a disaster. The DOW was bellow 8,000 and falling. That's a fact.

The economy changed directions under Obama. We recovered from one of the biggest recessions in our history under Obama.

Why can't you swallow your pride and admit Obama did a good job?

If I had become President in 2008 and inaugurated in January 2009, one would been able to argue that I, personally, I did a "good job." Me. Neomalthusian, the random guy who posts anonymously on internet forums. I would have done a good job, by the same criteria you're using here. This is mindless worship. You might as well be crediting him for sunny days and bountiful harvests. Obama did not cause those things.

What was going on economically was going on regardless of who the President was. TARP would have happened with or without Obama. QE would have happened with or without Obama. ARRA or something similar would have happened with or without Obama. Obama did not write all those laws and figure all that crap out himself. Those things were going to happen and the stock market was going to rebound from that historic crash.

Making the entire country and world's financial and economic trends a mere function of the person in the White House is religious in its stupidity.
 
Because he was a mixed-race Democrat, more popular than their lord Reagan, elected twice. For cons, there is no forgiving crimes as heinous as those!

Except that we don't care what race he is... That's a lie perpetuated by liberals who simply can't conceive of the fact that he was so grossly under-qualified. By playing the race card, you get to ignore the FACT that you voted for guy with so little leadership experience that had he entered the private sector, he was "jr. law partner" material at best.
 
as was the case with Clinton-who had the benefit of the dot.com bubble. Newt made Clinton successful

Yep. The "Clinton Economy" happened in spite of Pres. Clinton, not because of him. Just like the economic growth during Pres. Obama's admin. happened in spite of him, not because of him.
 
Except that we don't care what race he is... That's a lie perpetuated by liberals who simply can't conceive of the fact that he was so grossly under-qualified. By playing the race card, you get to ignore the FACT that you voted for guy with so little leadership experience that had he entered the private sector, he was "jr. law partner" material at best.

Let me ask you this - what happened to your celebrated "Tea Bagger" movement? They seem to have appeared when Obama was elected and disappeared when Obama went away. Lets not forget about the racist "birther" movement led for 5 years by your lord and savior, Trump.

Finally if you're going to criticize some one for lack of experience, you can't get any worse than Trump with zero government experience. Trump's only leadership experience was his own private company where he enjoyed zero external accountability, four bankruptcies and wealth we're just going to have to trust Trump on since he's afraid to release his tax returns. I guess lack of leadership only works for you when it's a white guy elected president?

I'm sorry, the bulk of hatred against Obama by right-wing nuts had everything to do with race.

I accept your apology :)
 
It seems to me that with 2 years of pure Obama policy we didn't see any significant improvement so I'm not sure how Republicans jumping on that train would have fixed anything. Basically, the improvements really started to take hold once the Democratic policies were put in check.

It takes time for stimulative policies to work, that's simple reality. And of course, Obama flubbed it by not demanding that the bill be structured to circumvent APA procedures and direct resources to shovel-ready infrastructure repair/work a la New Deal policies. (It also didn't help that he chose to spend political capital on Obamacare before spending it on a proper stimulus) The money didn't go as far as it could have. But you cannot look at the the economic history of his term and honestly say he doesn't get credit...




*Key word in italics.





I suppose I shouldn't be surprised at what I see here anymore. In multiple threads, we've got multiple people singing Trump's praises for 2017's economic performance even though it was slightly less of a performance than the average increases under Obama in various metrics, and even though, again, new policy does take time to have effect in general. So he gets praised, and people simultaneously trot out lines about how supposedly the economy got better "despite" Obama.

Bleh. Whatever.
 
Let me ask you this - what happened to your celebrated "Tea Bagger" movement? They seem to have appeared when Obama was elected and disappeared when Obama went away. Lets not forget about the racist "birther" movement led for 5 years by your lord and savior, Trump.

Finally if you're going to criticize some one for lack of experience, you can't get any worse than Trump with zero government experience. Trump's only leadership experience was his own private company where he enjoyed zero external accountability, four bankruptcies and wealth we're just going to have to trust Trump on since he's afraid to release his tax returns. I guess lack of leadership only works for you when it's a white guy elected president?

I'm sorry, the bulk of hatred against Obama by right-wing nuts had everything to do with race.

I accept your apology :)

Trump was so uniquely unqualified to be president, half of the GOP, including their former presidential candidate Mitt Romney, BEGGED them not to vote for Trump. Never in history until 2015/2016 has a political party begged their voters not to support a presidential candidate that was a member of their own party the way the GOP did with Trump.
 
You have to love the GOP partisan hacks on this thread. When a Republican is president and the economy is good, it's because of the president's policies. When a Republican is president and the economy is bad, it's the Democrats fault. When a Democrat is president and the economy is good, it's because of the GOP. When a Democrat is president and the economy is bad, it's because of the president's policies. Their political masters have groomed them well.

so you aren't posting partisan stuff? seems both sides do this
 
Trump was so uniquely unqualified to be president, half of the GOP, including their former presidential candidate Mitt Romney, BEGGED them not to vote for Trump. Never in history until 2015/2016 has a political party begged their voters not to support a presidential candidate that was a member of their own party the way the GOP did with Trump.

uh that's because Trump attacked the GOP establishment.
 
uh that's because Trump attacked the GOP establishment.



Was Breitbart "establishment" too? If the dude were alive today and saw how the website he created worships the "celebrity president", he would have had a stroke.
 
That's because IT TAKES TIME TO CHANGE THINGS. It's not like this Trump fantasy where he steps into office and the first month he starts claiming credit for the economy. A basic principle of science is it takes work to produce change. And a large mass with a lot of momentum requires a lot of work to change its direction.

Why not stop the charade? If the economy is good one year after Obama and it hasn't changed directions then Obama did a good job. Hopefully, Trump does a good job too.

It does take time for some changes to take hold. That's why it took 5 years to get from 8.3% unemployment to 4.8% unemployment. However, for the two years before that decline started the unemployment rate was essentially stagnant. Those two stagnant years were under an Obama White House and Democrat leadership in both houses.
 
Ike was a good Republican president. Of course, he wasn't particularly conservative, so...

Kennedy was a decent Dem president

cut taxes, was an NRA member, a war hero and started the special forces

he'd have the snowflake brigade turned into a tidal wave by now
 
Let me ask you this - what happened to your celebrated "Tea Bagger" movement? They seem to have appeared when Obama was elected and disappeared when Obama went away. Lets not forget about the racist "birther" movement led for 5 years by your lord and savior, Trump.

Finally if you're going to criticize some one for lack of experience, you can't get any worse than Trump with zero government experience. Trump's only leadership experience was his own private company where he enjoyed zero external accountability, four bankruptcies and wealth we're just going to have to trust Trump on since he's afraid to release his tax returns. I guess lack of leadership only works for you when it's a white guy elected president?

I'm sorry, the bulk of hatred against Obama by right-wing nuts had everything to do with race.

I accept your apology :)

That was lame... The kind of lame that you see when a 7th grade boy tries to ask out a High School senior cheerleader. You start out with name calling, follow that up with playing the race card, throwing the birfer dimwits (who were the result of openly admitted manipulation by the OA), then throwing out the stupid comments about Pres. Trump being my lord and savior.

Pres. Obama had almost no executive experience and only minimal political experience. Pres. Trump has massive executive experience and no political experience outside of having to work with politicians very frequently.

The issue that 99.99% of conservatives had with Pres. Obama was that he was grossly unqualified. We couldn't care less about his race, that's an issue that liberals focus on. Would you like to have some proof of that?? If we were so racist, then why is it that if asked most conservatives if they thought Condaleeza Rice would make a good President, the response would an overwhelming and resounding "OH HELL YES!!!"
 
Kennedy was a decent Dem president

cut taxes, was an NRA member, a war hero and started the special forces

he'd have the snowflake brigade turned into a tidal wave by now

I'm an NRA member as well. You're under the assumption that everyone who opposes your lousy political party and corrupt president is a liberal on every issue.

Of course, Trump was pro gun control, bashed war heroes, and is the ultimate snow flake, so I'm not sure where you are getting at. Kennedy may not have a lot in common with today's Democrats, but he would have basically nothing in common with Trump's GOP. Hell, the two previous GOP president's have nothing in common with Trump's GOP.
 
Under Obama, we had the longest streak of private sector job growth in history. That's a fact.

U.S. enjoying its longest-lasting streak of jobs growth

When Obama took office we were losing more jobs than any time in 34 years. The economy was a disaster. The DOW was bellow 8,000 and falling. That's a fact.

The economy changed directions under Obama. We recovered from one of the biggest recessions in our history under Obama.

Why can't you swallow your pride and admit Obama did a good job?

No but he didn't. Obama did very little if anything for the economy. If Jesus had returned during his presidency I wouldn't blame that on Obama.

Further his misdeeds don't get white washed he attempted to undermine the Constitution he did his best to divide the races and attack police he wrote executive orders that he had no business writing.

The economy is doing better during Trump is that because of trumpm
 
That was lame... The kind of lame that you see when a 7th grade boy tries to ask out a High School senior cheerleader. You start out with name calling, follow that up with playing the race card, throwing the birfer dimwits (who were the result of openly admitted manipulation by the OA), then throwing out the stupid comments about Pres. Trump being my lord and savior.

Pres. Obama had almost no executive experience and only minimal political experience. Pres. Trump has massive executive experience and no political experience outside of having to work with politicians very frequently.

The issue that 99.99% of conservatives had with Pres. Obama was that he was grossly unqualified. We couldn't care less about his race, that's an issue that liberals focus on. Would you like to have some proof of that?? If we were so racist, then why is it that if asked most conservatives if they thought Condaleeza Rice would make a good President, the response would an overwhelming and resounding "OH HELL YES!!!"

The only thing lame here are your denials. Who was the lead "birfer dimwit"? It was Trump, the loser cons voted into office embracing his racist tirades about Obama's birth certificate, people from Mexico being rapists, trying to ban all Muslims from the US and lying about "thousands of Muslims cheering as the twin towers fell".

You probably think the Trump tower meeting with Putin's representatives was all about adoption?

C'mon, man. Just admit cons rejected Obama mostly because he was a mixed race Democrat and are embracing Trump because of his white supremacist appeal.

I promise if you just admit that here, I'll keep it between just us :)
 
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I'm an NRA member as well. You're under the assumption that everyone who opposes your lousy political party and corrupt president is a liberal on every issue.

Of course, Trump was pro gun control, bashed war heroes, and is the ultimate snow flake, so I'm not sure where you are getting at. Kennedy may not have a lot in common with today's Democrats, but he would have basically nothing in common with Trump's GOP. Hell, the two previous GOP president's have nothing in common with Trump's GOP.

so you are upset Trump won? BFD. he wasn't my first or second choice but he sure was a better choice than Hillary who would be picking far left judges now
 
The only thing lame here are your denials. Who was the lead "birfer dimwit"? It was Trump, the loser cons voted into office embracing his racist tirades about Obama's birth certificate, people from Mexico being rapists, trying to ban all Muslims from the US and lying about "thousands of Muslims cheering as the twin towers fell".

You probably think the Trump tower meeting with Putin's representatives was all about adoption?

C'mon, man. Just admit cons rejected Obama mostly because he was a mixed race Democrat and are embracing Trump because of his white supremacist appeal.
it has to be racist because Obama is absolutely perfect in fact he's the Messiah and we should worship him because of his perfection the only reason anyone would disagree with him because his skin color it has nothing to do with his beliefs or political opinions don't even exist.

I can't believe someone can lack self-awareness to the degree at which you do.

Everybody and anybody that disagrees with you is racist.
 
so you are upset Trump won? BFD. he wasn't my first or second choice but he sure was a better choice than Hillary who would be picking far left judges now

Translation: He was a Republican, and that's all that matters as far as I'm concerned.
 
it has to be racist because Obama is absolutely perfect in fact he's the Messiah and we should worship him because of his perfection the only reason anyone would disagree with him because his skin color it has nothing to do with his beliefs or political opinions don't even exist.

I can't believe someone can lack self-awareness to the degree at which you do.

Everybody and anybody that disagrees with you is racist.

A DP member with your lean and signature accusing others of lacking self-awareness and denying racism exists on the right. This is probably the most extreme case of "pot meet kettle" I've seen in quite some time.

Denial ain't just a river in Egypt my Obama-hating friend!
 
A DP member with your lean and signature accusing others of lacking self-awareness and denying racism exists on the right. This is probably the most extreme case of "pot meet kettle" I've seen in quite some time.

Congrats!

So it's not okay to be white being white is racist and being a liberal which is what a Libertarian is is bad.

Go ahead and write me off there can be no discussion with you you're too much of a bigot.
 
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