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Trump tweets that his SOTU address had the highest ratings ever lol

He lies about minutiae because he knows a significant portion of his opposition will swing for the fences at anything, no matter how pointless.

It makes his opposition look like foolish hysterics, and his base gets to feel like level-headed adults. He takes something worthless, and makes it valuable (to him.)

The media will spend time on this because it's easy, people on both sides lap it up, and advertisers keep buying ad space.

If he does it enough times, it will appear to be true, like the claims that the economy was in complete disarray during the entire 2016 campaign. They were never properly challenged, and so much of the electorate believed it.

Trump is a troll. People who spend more than a second thinking about it are serving his purposes.
 
yankintx said:
Trump has no time to fact check. He is far too busy writing memos with his buddy Nunes, and writing checks too Stormy Daniels.
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It was more a repulsive, look-at-me, TV show than a speech. The most repellent parts of it were the attempts by a man who never gives of himself to anyone to glom onto his own persona the bravery and sacrifice of the people invited there for just that purpose.
 
AlbqOwl said:
So the next time you get a fact wrong or misspeak or misquote something, we can say you are lying? It's part of your core, your very nature? Pathological dishonesty?

That would be fair would it not?
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All Trump does is lie. It seems to be like mother's milk to both him and you.
 
AlbqOwl said:
So he got the numbers wrong. He did get high ratings as these things go and somebody probably told him that was an all time high without checking and he ran with it. Is it that big a deal? Being wrong is not lying. Being mistaken is not lying. The President is smart enough not to lie about something that can be so easily checked. Some of the media says he was lying because the number wasn't as high as his initial address to a joint session of Congress last year when that wasn't a State of the Union address. Why do people hate this President so much that they will make a huge deal and make headlines or start message board threads on something so insignificant?
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So is this really where we are with Trump? We cannot criticize Trump for his compulsive lying because we cannot read his mind, therefore, we do not know whether he was making a claim without knowing whether it was true or false?

Well hold on now. If he doesn't know whether the claim he's making is true or false, then it must be because he lacks the information that would allow him to conclude his statement was true or false. And if that's the case, then he at least knows that he doesn't know what he's talking about. So how is that a defense to making the claim anyway?




So....stuff that defense. There's no meaningful difference between (A) knowing the claim is false and making it anyway, and (B) knowing he doesn't know what he's talking about and making the claim anyway. In each case, he is speaking with complete disrespect for the truth and making a claim with the intent that it is believed.





(dupe thread, so I'm repeating myself)
 
AlbqOwl said:
So the next time you get a fact wrong or misspeak or misquote something, we can say you are lying? It's part of your core, your very nature? Pathological dishonesty?

That would be fair would it not?
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If they habitually get things wrong they can easily educate themselves on and continue to think they are right, I would think they are delusional just like I think Trump is.
 
Mr Person said:
So is this really where we are with Trump? We cannot criticize Trump for his compulsive lying because we cannot read his mind, therefore, we do not know whether he was making a claim without knowing whether it was true or false?

Well hold on now. If he doesn't know whether the claim he's making is true or false, then it must be because he lacks the information that would allow him to conclude his statement was true or false. And if that's the case, then he at least knows that he doesn't know what he's talking about. So how is that a defense to making the claim anyway?




So....stuff that defense. There's no meaningful difference between (A) knowing the claim is false and making it anyway, and (B) knowing he doesn't know what he's talking about and making the claim anyway. In each case, he is speaking with complete disrespect for the truth and making a claim with the intent that it is believed.





(dupe thread, so I'm repeating myself)
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Cutting people some slack on unimportant matters is where I am right now whether they are in your company, in your family, among friends, associates, people on message boards or social media etc. or in the government. And since I have no way to know what the circumstances of that tweet were, nor do you, I won't speculate what was going through his mind when he said it. I didn't do that to Obama. I didn't do that to George W. Bush. I didn't do that to Clinton, Bush 41, Reagan, Carter, Ford, Nixon, LBJ, Kennedy all of which got at least something wrong now and then.

When somebody lies for the purpose of deceiving we the people as Obama did, as Clinton did, I take exception to that. On something as innocuous as misstating television ratings, there is nobody I hate or disrespect enough to make a big deal out of that. And those who do, I simply shake my head at how little intellectual honesty and personal integrity is generally exhibited when they do that, most especially when they allow their own all manner of passes when they lie about more important matters.
 
americanwoman said:
If they habitually get things wrong they can easily educate themselves on and continue to think they are right, I would think they are delusional just like I think Trump is.
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Nice deflection. I wasn't referring to 'them'. I addressed my question to you.
 
AlbqOwl said:
Cutting people some slack on unimportant matters is where I am right now whether they are in your company, in your family, among friends, associates, people on message boards or social media etc. or in the government.
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*sigh*

How do you explain the fact that he used to do the same thing when he was on the Apprentice?

Trump Tweet: "The ratings for the Celebrity Apprentice were fantastic and everyone had a great time. It was a terrific season -- congrats to everyone!"

That season of “Celebrity Apprentice” was the show’s third. It averaged 7.4 million viewers, down from 9 million the season before, though the finale did slightly better. This was already well after ratings for the “Apprentice” franchise had started to slide, as we noted last year when assessing Trump’s repeated claims that the show was a ratings smash.

Only one week was any “Apprentice” show ever the No. 1 show in America: the finale of the first season of the original series. That didn’t stop Trump from trumping up fake Time magazine covers declaring the show to be a “television smash” — and then sprinkling those fake covers throughout his properties.
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Trump returns to his first numeric love: Exaggerating television ratings


Trump has a long history of lying to promote himself. You're attempt to spin this as a mistake are silly at best, disturbing at worst.

Trump doesn't respect you, his supporters, he thinks you're idiots. That's why he lies to you.
 
AlbqOwl said:
Cutting people some slack on unimportant matters is where I am right now whether they are in your company, in your family, among friends, associates, people on message boards or social media etc. or in the government. And since I have no way to know what the circumstances of that tweet were, nor do you, I won't speculate what was going through his mind when he said it. I didn't do that to Obama. I didn't do that to George W. Bush. I didn't do that to Clinton, Bush 41, Reagan, Carter, Ford, Nixon, LBJ, Kennedy all of which got at least something wrong now and then.

When somebody lies for the purpose of deceiving we the people as Obama did, as Clinton did, I take exception to that. On something as innocuous as misstating television ratings, there is nobody I hate or disrespect enough to make a big deal out of that. And those who do, I simply shake my head at how little intellectual honesty and personal integrity is generally exhibited when they do that, most especially when they allow their own all manner of passes when they lie about more important matters.
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Whatever...
 
AlbqOwl said:
So he got the numbers wrong. He did get high ratings as these things go and somebody probably told him that was an all time high without checking and he ran with it. Is it that big a deal? Being wrong is not lying. Being mistaken is not lying. The President is smart enough not to lie about something that can be so easily checked. Some of the media says he was lying because the number wasn't as high as his initial address to a joint session of Congress last year when that wasn't a State of the Union address. Why do people hate this President so much that they will make a huge deal and make headlines or start message board threads on something so insignificant?
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Remember the ice cream meltdown


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SonOfDaedalus said:
*sigh*

How do you explain the fact that he used to do the same thing when he was on the Apprentice?




Trump returns to his first numeric love: Exaggerating television ratings


Trump has a long history of lying to promote himself. You're attempt to spin this as a mistake are silly at best, disturbing at worst.

Trump doesn't respect you, his supporters, he thinks you're idiots. That's why he lies to you.
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You must think we're idiots if you think you can convince us that a successful television show is somehow failing if it isn't No. 1 or if one season's ratings don't match a previous season's ratings? Any television show that can hold an audience (and advertisers) for eleven seasons has to be rated a success.
 
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Mr Person said:
Whatever...
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Yes whatever. And I would guess that there are precious few Trump haters who took exceptionto or condemned Obama and Clinton when they flat out lied in ways that negatively affect the integrity of government, affect we the people personally and seriously, or to deceive us in any way for their own purposes.

I cannot figure any way that anybody in government or anywhere else could benefit themselves or hurt anybody by getting television ratings wrong for a State of the Union address. Yet to the Trump haters it must be really important since they are making such a federal case out of it.
 
MrShangles said:
Remember the ice cream meltdown


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They sure do try to get traction with the silliest things. I guess if they can't get him on the constant drumbeat of racism and Russia--that keeps falling flat doesn't it--something like television ratings is as good a thing as any to make a federal case out of. God forbid they talk about any issues he raised in that speech because they will look like the snowflakes so many are if they rant and rave about those.
 
americanwoman said:
Then why isn't he smart enough check something so easy to check?
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He is, and if he had time he would. You may expect minor mistakes from extremely busy POTUS's. Obama made huge howler mistakes every day that were never reported by his Fake News network. Trump does the work of five men, so there is no time to check every detail about minor issues.
 
gfm7175 said:
This is the kind of **** that I wish Trump would stop doing... it's just plain stupid... something is either factually true or it isn't... and when it can be easily proven with a simple ratings check that he is factually incorrect, it makes him look like a complete moron...
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I don't like it either, but he does it, he has always done it, and because he is a human being instead of a professional, polished, poll tested member of the permanent political class, he will no doubt continue to do it. He doesn't check stuff that doesn't amount to a hill of beans to any normal person. He probably is not going to change his ways in that regard Who really cares if he got something as inconsequential and unimportant as television ratings wrong? We didn't elect him to be a slick, professional, polished, poll tests politician. He is going to be himself and he so far has not disappointed in almost all of those things that really count that we elected him to address.

So just as I have forgiven Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, and everybody else their occasional misspeaks or insignificant errors in fact, I don't get all worked up when President Trump commits those offenses. I guess it falls into the category of don't sweat the small stuff or how important is it?

Now if he misstated a key component in a piece of legislation in an effort to garner support for it, that has consequences and it is indefensible to mislead the people that way. That is important. If he looks into the camera and tells us something didn't happen when he knows full well that it did, that is a lie and is inexcusable. That is important.
 
AlbqOwl said:
I don't like it either, but he does it, he has always done it, and because he is a human being instead of a professional, polished, poll tested member of the permanent political class, he will no doubt continue to do it. He doesn't check stuff that doesn't amount to a hill of beans to any normal person. He probably is not going to change his ways in that regard Who really cares if he got something as inconsequential and unimportant as television ratings wrong? We didn't elect him to be a slick, professional, polished, poll tests politician. He is going to be himself and he so far has not disappointed in almost all of those things that really count that we elected him to address.

So just as I have forgiven Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, and everybody else their occasional misspeaks or insignificant errors in fact, I don't get all worked up when President Trump commits those offenses. I guess it falls into the category of don't sweat the small stuff or how important is it?

Now if he misstated a key component in a piece of legislation in an effort to garner support for it, that has consequences and it is indefensible to mislead the people that way. That is important. If he looks into the camera and tells us something didn't happen when he knows full well that it did, that is a lie and is inexcusable. That is important.
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Personally, I support the president and think he has done a good job so far, but I don't like when he says stuff like that to inflate his ego when that stuff obviously isn't true. Is it a "huge" deal to me? No... but it's still dumb.
 
gfm7175 said:
Personally, I support the president and think he has done a good job so far, but I don't like when he says stuff like that to inflate his ego when that stuff obviously isn't true. Is it a "huge" deal to me? No... but it's still dumb.
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I hope you do support the President because I think he is our last best hope to get the country out of the clutches of the looney left--those on the left and right side of the aisle--and begin the probably somewhat painful process of restoring the country to the people who are supposed to govern it. And if that means overlooking his less endearing traits and quirks, so be it. I don't CARE whether he engages in a bit of inconsequential hyperbole or braggadoso so long as he does his best to deliver on those things that matter to me--the economy, taxes, immigration, regulation, liberty, choices, options, and opportunities. And so far, for the first time in a long string of Presidents who have occupied the White House, he has mostly not disappointed.
 
AlbqOwl said:
I hope you do support the President because I think he is our last best hope to get the country out of the clutches of the looney left--those on the left and right side of the aisle--and begin the probably somewhat painful process of restoring the country to the people who are supposed to govern it. And if that means overlooking his less endearing traits and quirks, so be it. I don't CARE whether he engages in a bit of inconsequential hyperbole or braggadoso so long as he does his best to deliver on those things that matter to me--the economy, taxes, immigration, regulation, liberty, choices, options, and opportunities. And so far, for the first time in a long string of Presidents who have occupied the White House, he has mostly not disappointed.
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He's definitely the most conservative president since Reagan and his stand against the leftist media and his recognition of Jerusalem as capitol of Israel are both great things which no other nominee would have done.
 
If you were going to claim that your SOTU had the highest ratings, then how would one determine that? You would obviously have to look up the numbers from other SOTU addresses so I am not sure how anyone can claim it was just a misstatement. Otherwise you are blatantly just fabricating information. However, for the sake of argument, let us say that it was a misstatement. This wasn't an issue of a person misspeaking during a speech. This was a tweet. Once people pointed out that he was wrong, he could have easily deleted the tweet or just posted an additional tweet to correct the information. So why didn't he do that? When you know something is inaccurate and continue without correcting it, that is when it unquestionably becomes a lie.

Then we have to consider his lengthy list of so-called "misstatements" which reached well over 2,000 in the first year according to PolitiFact. And regardless of whether these are lies or "misstatements" the fact is that Trump is constantly releasing demonstrably false information into the public. If his followers are going to complain about the News Media being "fake news" then they should hold Trump accountable for fake information as well, if they want to be logically consistent. Wouldn't you say that is a fair expectation? And that is a problem. Neither FOX News (outside of Shep Smith) nor Trump's supporters in the public are holding him accountable for his false statements. He is getting a free pass every single time he does it.
 
Rob Larrikin said:
He is, and if he had time he would. You may expect minor mistakes from extremely busy POTUS's. Obama made huge howler mistakes every day that were never reported by his Fake News network. Trump does the work of five men, so there is no time to check every detail about minor issues.
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The work of five men? Seriously? The same guy who constantly goes on vacation and even when he is in DC, he seemingly just lets everyone around him do the work while he either approves or disapproves? Perhaps you can explain exactly what Trump has done personally since being in office.

Oh and that is another one of his blatant lies btw. Before he became president he said he wouldn't golf and probably wouldn't have time to leave the white house. Since then he has been golfing every week and sometimes for several days at a time. In my opinion, Trump has no work ethic at all. He seems to be quite lazy.
 
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