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Is it just another way of saying "Lefty"?
 
Using modern American parlance I would argue that virtually all progressives are leftists but not all leftists are progressives.
 
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Redress said:
No. Is "libertarian" another word for "stoner"?
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What do you think?

I don't think it is but I'll listen to what you have to say as long as it's constructive.
 
lefty louie said:
What do you think?

I don't think it is but I'll listen to what you have to say as long as it's constructive.
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Just strikes me that someone interested enough to join a political discussion board might have a way to find out what a progressive believes. How did you determine you were a libertarian and not an anarchist?
 
Skeptic Bob said:
Using modern American parlance I would argue that virtually all progressives are leftists but not all leftists are progressives.
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Here is my question, what separates "progressives" from many of those that call themselves "Liberal"? I'm not entirely sure there is a difference anymore.
 
If someone were inclined to explain what the difference is to them (as a progressive), I'd be inclined to listen politely.
 
JMR said:
Just strikes me that someone interested enough to join a political discussion board might have a way to find out what a progressive believes. How did you determine you were a libertarian and not an anarchist?
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A little hard to describe, but I guess I'll sum it up this way. What I or you do behind closed doors should be my/your business. I don't want NO govt. just a strictly limited one. If that's not detailed enough let me know, I'm just short on time now.
 
In before.....:eek:uch:
 
Redress said:
No. Is "libertarian" another word for "stoner"?
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Can you tell me the difference between a liberal, a lefty, and a progressive from your perspective?
 
Skeptic Bob said:
Using modern American parlance I would argue that virtually all progressives are leftists but not all leftists are progressives.
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I am far left, but not a progressive. This confuses some.
 
Redress said:
Progressivism is based largely on promoting social and progressive reform. A liberal advocates largely for individual liberty and equality. Here, let me help you learn how to tell the difference between things: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page, https://www.google.com/.
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Thanks for your explanation, if I'm understanding you right you'd be more of a Bernie supporter then a typical liberal (which our founders were by the way).
 
lefty louie said:
Thanks for your explanation, if I'm understanding you right you'd be more of a Bernie supporter then a typical liberal (which our founders were by the way).
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You'd think but red isn't much of a bernie fan
 
Nap said:
Here is my question, what separates "progressives" from many of those that call themselves "Liberal"? I'm not entirely sure there is a difference anymore.
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The way I view it is this. A liberal wants the government to use government funds to push liberal policies. A progressive wants to do that AND use the power of government to force private individuals and companies to act in a liberal manner as well.

For example, while a liberal may think that gay marriage should be recognized by the government because it constitutes equal treatment under the law, progressives often want to extend that into the private sector by forcing private business establishments to treat gay couples the same.

A liberal may think that abortion should be legal whereas a progressive may think the government should force employers to pay for it.

That is my take anyway.
 
lefty louie said:
Thanks for your explanation, if I'm understanding you right you'd be more of a Bernie supporter then a typical liberal (which our founders were by the way).
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Trying to pidgeonhole our founding fathers by modern political labels is an exercise doomed to fail.
 
Redress said:
No. Is "libertarian" another word for "stoner"?
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Looking at Gary Johnson, I'm inclined to say: Yes!


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Redress said:
Trying to pidgeonhole our founding fathers by modern political labels is an exercise doomed to fail.
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I'm not trying to do anything of the sort, but if you have two groups or maybe three they'd fit most comfortably in with liberals, certainly weren't conservative. But back to the topic please, are the descriptions of others above spot on, do you agree, disagree? And why?
 
Redress said:
Trying to pidgeonhole our founding fathers by modern political labels is an exercise doomed to fail.
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This is what confuses me. The founders were strongly influenced by John Locke and other Liberal thinkers of the age of enlightenment. If they were alive today their political views would largely align with small government conservatives and Libertarians. Liberalism used to be about individualism and liberty, however many of the positions and arguments made from many that consider themselves Liberal would be antithetical to that. For instance, on gun rights you see many conservatives and Libertarians argue on the basis of individual freedom while a common argument from Liberals is to limit freedom in favor of the collective.
 
lefty louie said:
Is it just another way of saying "Lefty"?
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Democrat, leftists, Progressives, commie, socialist, all different corn kernels in the same turd. :)

It's easier just to call them leftists.
 
Redress said:
No. Is "libertarian" another word for "stoner"?
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For some single-issue voters, yes. But since most libertarians aren't single-issue voters, no.
 
Nap said:
Here is my question, what separates "progressives" from many of those that call themselves "Liberal"? I'm not entirely sure there is a difference anymore.
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Oh, there are differences, which is why most people who are against progressives do self-identify as liberals. Classical liberals are not even close to what the regressive left wants.
 
Nap said:
This is what confuses me. The founders were strongly influenced by John Locke and other Liberal thinkers of the age of enlightenment. If they were alive today their political views would largely align with small government conservatives and Libertarians. Liberalism used to be about individualism and liberty, however many of the positions and arguments made from many that consider themselves Liberal would be antithetical to that. For instance, on gun rights you see many conservatives and Libertarians argue on the basis of individual freedom while a common argument from Liberals is to limit freedom in favor of the collective.
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Regressives are largely collectivists, which is why classical liberals have no use for them.
 
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