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What positive comes from Rap music?

Professor2004 said:
Annnnd you still don't know the difference between influence and imitation.
You still didn't answer that question like I had guessed.

"WELL THEY SAID THE WORD GAY AND IM NOT GAY THEREFORE THERE IS NO INFLUENCE BETWEEN MUSIC AND MY LIFE."
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Influenec? Imitate? Earlier you used the word emulate so, again; all you are doing is playing a giant semantics game.
And we are all happy you know you're not gay.

Professor2004 said:
I don't expect hip hop artists to ignore that part of their culture. But it's also disingenuous to ignore that it does have a negative effect with certain people and certain communities. In my experience, a lot of young people absolutely try to emulate that gangbanger lifestyle (whether real or perceived) of their favorite rappers. Again, I don't blame the artists. I don't blame anyone really. But the effect is real imo.

I'll admit I haven't really kept up with rap in about 15 years. But I know back in the 90s when gangster rap was all the rage everyone was a wannabe gangbanger, if not a legit one. I have a hard time believing rap culture of that time didn't play a pretty big role in that. It transcended race and even economic status. Thus why I'm confident rap culture was a big culprit of the phenomenon. People tend to emulate what's popular. Maybe you are right and rap culture has totally changed. Maybe kids are just out there dressing like Cam Newton and listening to Childish Gambino now. I really don't know.
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Professor2004 said:
Rap music through out history has had bad message more often than positive.

So what comes good out of this genre?

I grew up on 80s and 90s hiphop please. a lot of that music was really messed up. Eminem, 3sixmafia, wu tang, gangstarr, NWA, method man, redman, RZA, mobb deep the list can keep going... what rappers were rapping about sunshine and rainbows again?
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What good comes from cRap?

Well, it...um...uh...hmmm...

Yeah...i got nothing.
 
cuban smokes said:
Influenec? Imitate? Earlier you used the word emulate so, again; all you are doing is playing a giant semantics game.
And we are all happy you know you're not gay.
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Yes I'm playing a semantics game with someone who doesn't know that imitation and influence aren't synonymous... I kind of have to.
 
lefty louie said:
What good came out of R&R, the Blues, Big band era? I don't like rap but a case can be made against most music of the last 100 years.
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What happens when you play a country music song backwards?

You sober up, get out of jail, your wife comes home.... :)

Even bluegrass often had themes about bad behavior.


BUT there's a question of degree.... rap is, imho, far more blatant and pervasive with the negative content than the previous examples, with a far smaller proportion of positive lyrics and more extreme in general.
 
holbritter said:
Opera?
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Drugs, no.

Wild women, definitely. Also murder, adultery and mayhem are common themes. :)


But opera usually ends tragically for those who misbehave.... and often everyone else too for that matter.
 
Goshin said:
Drugs, no.

Wild women, definitely. Also murder, adultery and mayhem are common themes. :)


But opera usually ends tragically for those who misbehave.... and often everyone else too for that matter.
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If you consider alcohol a drug then YES opera has it's share of drug use.

But throw a smooth drum beat a funky thumping baseline most opera could pass for hip hop
 
I think the lyrics are hysterical, I often laugh my ass off at how messed up how forked up the lyrics are. I hated much of rap/hip in the 90s because I wasn't a fan of the gangster wannabe phony tough guys with their stupid struts and what not. But when I got over that, I loved it. Remember first time listening to Biggie album and I had my windows open blaring music and this song came on (family in car next to me) that just starts out "I want a bitch to suck my dick until I nut, spit it on my gut and slurp that **** back up". I reached for the volume and was laughing.

Anyway, they are lyrically geniuses, the hip hop artist of the 90s. THey might have sounded dumb with their tough guy slang and ebonics, but they are geniuses the way they rhyme and the vocabulary they use.

The garbage that passes as hip hop these days is appalling. Make a bunch of stupid noises and rhyme cat and hat and you have a song. Man its terrible
 
Goshin said:
What happens when you play a country music song backwards?

You sober up, get out of jail, your wife comes home.... :)

Even bluegrass often had themes about bad behavior.


BUT there's a question of degree.... rap is, imho, far more blatant and pervasive with the negative content than the previous examples, with a far smaller proportion of positive lyrics and more extreme in general.
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I don't recall "degree" being in the OP, but you'd have to go back 100 years ago first. Rag time had fast women in it, blues talked about boozing up, swing and big band music brought in up tempo and mainlined the races (very objectionable at the time), then came do op and Elvis the pelvis that ushered in sexually explicit dance moves (considered extreme at the time) R&R further blended the race line, talked excessively about drugs and the culture as time past. Now we have Rap that started out innocently enough and became the next greatest thing with ever greater chock value in the lyrics.

I don't know what will be next but more extreme tends to be the trend.
 
lefty louie said:
I don't recall "degree" being in the OP, but you'd have to go back 100 years ago first. Rag time had fast women in it, blues talked about boozing up, swing and big band music brought in up tempo and mainlined the races (very objectionable at the time), then came do op and Elvis the pelvis that ushered in sexually explicit dance moves (considered extreme at the time) R&R further blended the race line, talked excessively about drugs and the culture as time past. Now we have Rap that started out innocently enough and became the next greatest thing with ever greater chock value in the lyrics.

I don't know what will be next but more extreme tends to be the trend.
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Imagining "more extreme" is difficult, but you have a point about the trends.

And there's Miley. :doh:

Yeah I'mma probably stick to older stuff, which is fitting since I'm an older guy...
 
Pleasure.

I also get pleasure watching violent movies and playing violent video games. It is a cathartic release through fiction. Listening to gangsta rap doesn’t make me want to go do a drive-by any more than watching Breaking Bad makes me want to cook meth or playing GTA V makes me want to steal a car.
 
You have these rap crappers wearing expensive jewelry. You have a good number of them wearing rosaries as cheap jewelry. I cannot blame any religious who finds this a abomination.
You have rolls and rolls of $100 dollar bills which sends a bad message telling teens and young adults they can have the "man" is money and it's not theirs.
There's nothing wrong working at Burger King.
Guns,not water guns...
Videos showing these rap crappers shooting each other,if not...fantasizing shooting at our officers.
Using fowl language including using God's name in vain as part of their lyrics.
These liberal/Demos are loving it with this troye silvan syndrome.
I remember my uncle saying years ago the music industry is on it's way down the toilet when motown began. Well...what ya going to do but to sit back and be proud as we all listen to our President Trump's address tonight.
 
Skeptic Bob said:
Pleasure.

I also get pleasure watching violent movies and playing violent video games. It is a cathartic release through fiction. Listening to gangsta rap doesn’t make me want to go do a drive-by any more than watching Breaking Bad makes me want to cook meth or playing GTA V makes me want to steal a car.
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I think if your young, immature, or from a negative background a movie, play or even music might influence you to carry out or act upon impulses you have. Never happened to me, but I'm a bit more well adjusted then some.
 
By the way, there is a hell of a lot more hip hop out there than gansta rap.

Tribe Called Quest, Common, The Roots that don't just sing about shooting people. Even the gansta rappers

Much of it is just showboating bravado in the culture. have to have the tough guy strut, act tough, have all these women, bling, speak like you are cool, so the lyrics are playing up that mentality. THey also have songs that have much more meaning or speaks about their struggles that aren't about bitches and killing people.
 
I get the comparisons to movies and video games some of you are making. But I do think music, for whatever reason, influences kids behavior/personality more so than movies or games. Music often becomes much more closely associated with lifestyle and how they identify themselves (whether it be punk rocker, hippie, or wannabe gangbanger). A kid might really love Call of Duty or John Wick. But they most likely do not go around dressing and acting like those characters. Not saying that doesn't ever happen, but just seems to be way less prevalent than with musical influences.

Again though, not advocating for censorship in any way, shape, or form. I just think there is a difference when it comes to how different art/entertainment forms influence behavior. Certainly telling your child they can't listen to rap for fear of them becoming a "thuglette" is the wrong approach. And ultimately useless anyway.
 
Professor2004 said:
Rap music through out history has had bad message more often than positive.

So what comes good out of this genre?

I grew up on 80s and 90s hiphop please. a lot of that music was really messed up. Eminem, 3sixmafia, wu tang, gangstarr, NWA, method man, redman, RZA, mobb deep the list can keep going... what rappers were rapping about sunshine and rainbows again?
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Rap is musical poetry. As many Rap artist come from economically disadvantaged backgrounds it reflects in the lyrics. The Hood can be violent, therefore it is included in there music. Now the ghetto rap from the 90's, that was music which glorified the violence. Big difference between the two.

Why do so many country songs include tractors, dogs, and beer? Because its what they know, and they cater to that particular audience.
 
PTF said:
You have these rap crappers wearing expensive jewelry. You have a good number of them wearing rosaries as cheap jewelry. I cannot blame any religious who finds this a abomination.
You have rolls and rolls of $100 dollar bills which sends a bad message telling teens and young adults they can have the "man" is money and it's not theirs.
There's nothing wrong working at Burger King.
Guns,not water guns...
Videos showing these rap crappers shooting each other,if not...fantasizing shooting at our officers.
Using fowl language including using God's name in vain as part of their lyrics.
These liberal/Demos are loving it with this troye silvan syndrome.
I remember my uncle saying years ago the music industry is on it's way down the toilet when motown began. Well...what ya going to do but to sit back and be proud as we all listen to our President Trump's address tonight.
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You and your entire family don't seem to have a problem with rap music, it seems to be with the color of there skin. Motown is uniquely American, and a sound which will still be listened too in one hundred years.

As for Trumps speech I will pass. The mans lies too much, I don't know were the truth begins and the lies end.
 
ecofarm said:
Shouldn't you blame the dumbass kids trying to emulate a lifestyle described in art, or their parents? When did personal responsibility go out the window?

Rap is art. Art emulates life. Life has a voice.

If learning about poverty, injustice and its ramifications in youth disturbs someone so much perhaps they should seek a safe space.
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It's sad I don't even like rap or hip hop but I keep feeling like I have to defend it.
However this young man whom went to St John's with my son in law very smart respectful young man you would never know his net worth sitting and talking to him, but in his words "sometimes when you get famoous etc you forget the things you know your supposed to do and how your supposed to act we always have to be better. I really like one of his latest singles. Especially since it's based on a true story.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOPgg7qqlcA
 
yankintx said:
You and your entire family don't seem to have a problem with rap music, it seems to be with the color of there skin. Motown is uniquely American, and a sound which will still be listened too in one hundred years.

As for Trumps speech I will pass. The mans lies too much, I don't know were the truth begins and the lies end.
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Let's play a game...

show me one song with a positive message about respecting women, not using drugs, fighting against violence and being a decent human being and I'll show you 10 maybe 100 that don't.

Christian rap doesn't count, even though it should because lecrae is sick.
 
Professor2004 said:
Rap music through out history has had bad message more often than positive.

So what comes good out of this genre?

I grew up on 80s and 90s hiphop please. a lot of that music was really messed up. Eminem, 3sixmafia, wu tang, gangstarr, NWA, method man, redman, RZA, mobb deep the list can keep going... what rappers were rapping about sunshine and rainbows again?
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Yeah, nonrap pop is so much better...

 
Goshin said:
I'd pretty definitely say the bad far outweighs the good. I don't listen to it on purpose, but generous young men with public address systems in their vehicle frequently serenade me with it as they go by, or while they're parked at the store.

Seems like most of it is objectifying women as bitches whose only function is sex, **** the police, kill the police, glorifying crime and so on.

And many of the genre's biggest fans don't exactly inspire trust and admiration with the image they project or the attitudes they exhibit.


Cue "you're racist!" in 5, 4, 3, 2...
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True story: The song Cop Killer, which created so much controversy as a rap song in favor of killing cops, was neither rap(it was metal), and showed how some in the ghetto think, and was, by design, supposed to be a negative portrayal of those views and people who hold them. The moral of the story: don't get your views of music from the media.
 
Professor2004 said:
A voice of people selling drugs & gun violence.

Not every voice is a good one.
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That is why The Godfather was such a terrible movie. Glorifying gun violence and gangstas...
 
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