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Because of Trump policies Black unemployment lowest in 45 years?

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"Somebody please inform Jay-Z that because of my policies, Black Unemployment has just been reported to be at the LOWEST RATE EVER RECORDED!" Trump tweeted Sunday morning.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/01/28/politics/trump-tweet-jay-z-van-jones/index.html

I would love for a Trump supporter to explain to me where on this graph Trump changes anything?

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I'm so sick of Trump trying to take credit for the economy he inherited from Obama.
 
I'm so sick of Trump trying to take credit for the economy he inherited from Obama.

In reality Obama wasn't even the reason for the good economy. The president has very little to do with economic progress.
 
In reality Obama wasn't even the reason for the good economy. The president has very little to do with economic progress.

I wouldn't say "very little." A president can destroy an economy with a few bad decisions. If Bush had not passed TARP. If Obama had not bailed out GM and passed the stimulus things could be much worse.

I agree that presidents get too much credit and too much blame for the economy. But if we look at the economy under Obama, it's nothing short of an amazing turnaround. When he came it it was a major crisis. Trump came in to years of positive unemployment and DOW trends and is now taking credit for it.

Trump's policies haven't changed anything. They haven't even had time to take effect.
 
What Trump policy is he talking about?

I have no idea. Trump hasn't made any significant policy changes other than all corporations to rape the environment and treasury.
 
I have no idea. Trump hasn't made any significant policy changes other than all corporations to rape the environment and treasury.

That's what I see, too. There hasn't been a single "Trump policy" implemented that would impact black employment.

Why is Trump so obsessed with a loser like JayZ anyway? I wonder if I will ever live long enough to see that man child actually act like the President - or even just a damn adult.
 
I wouldn't say "very little." A president can destroy an economy with a few bad decisions. If Bush had not passed TARP. If Obama had not bailed out GM and passed the stimulus things could be much worse.

I agree that presidents get too much credit and too much blame for the economy. But if we look at the economy under Obama, it's nothing short of an amazing turnaround. When he came it it was a major crisis. Trump came in to years of positive unemployment and DOW trends and is now taking credit for it.

Trump's policies haven't changed anything. They haven't even had time to take effect.

All those bills though were approved by congress, so that is why I said the president has very little to do with it.
 
All those bills though were approved by congress, so that is why I said the president has very little to do with it.

The president can veto any bill and is pivotal in negotiating Bills. He's also key to the budget.

Trump, for example, has slashed taxes and is pushing for a trillion dollars in infrastructure. He's going to bankrupt the country and fuel a bubble.
 
https://www.cnn.com/2018/01/28/politics/trump-tweet-jay-z-van-jones/index.html

I would love for a Trump supporter to explain to me where on this graph Trump changes anything?

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I'm so sick of Trump trying to take credit for the economy he inherited from Obama.

You are setting it up for Trump to never get credit for the good, only the bad. As long as unemployment keeps going down, you will continue to point to the graph and just chalk it up to the trend. You won't give Trump credit until something changes, meaning unemployment goes up. That's pretty convenient. You are operating under the faulty assumption that the trend naturally continues. It doesn't. It takes work to make a good trend continue. The last time the overall unemployment rate was this low was around the end of 2000 for about a year, and then you have to go back to 1970. You ask us to point to a policy to prove the unemployment rate is the result of Trump, but that's not how the economy works. Economies operate based on many policies, and even then that doesn't directly change the economic numbers as the economy still has to drive itself, which is actually a collection of many, many people and businesses making many transactions. You are trying to dumb down a really complicated system. So when I say things like Trump putting people to work on infrastructure, such as with the pipelines he approved, you are going to say that doesn't account for the full change. You'd be right that it doesn't, but it accounts for creating some of the jobs. It's not realistic to sit here and give you every policy that impacted jobs, though. Another way is that reduced regulations, such as the water regulation, has helped coal out. It's still a dying industry, but it can hang on a little longer. Another way is that just by talking about lowering taxes and things like that, it helps to create a good economic environment, which fosters jobs. Another way is that Trump personally contacted certain companies, and while the companies didn't keep all their jobs, many of the companies did keep some. But let me guess, naming all of these doesn't satisfy you, right? And yet you haven't named one way in which the trend was caused by Obama or even one way in which Obama helped to continue the trend, yet reasonable people do give Obama credit for the economy under his administration as well as for setting up what happened after. Trump deserves credit for what has happened under his watch as well.
 
You are setting it up for Trump to never get credit for the good, only the bad. As long as unemployment keeps going down, you will continue to point to the graph and just chalk it up to the trend. You won't give Trump credit until something changes, meaning unemployment goes up. That's pretty convenient. You are operating under the faulty assumption that the trend naturally continues. It doesn't. It takes work to make a good trend continue. The last time the overall unemployment rate was this low was around the end of 2000 for about a year, and then you have to go back to 1970. You ask us to point to a policy to prove the unemployment rate is the result of Trump, but that's not how the economy works. Economies operate based on many policies, and even then that doesn't directly change the economic numbers as the economy still has to drive itself, which is actually a collection of many, many people and businesses making many transactions. You are trying to dumb down a really complicated system. So when I say things like Trump putting people to work on infrastructure, such as with the pipelines he approved, you are going to say that doesn't account for the full change. You'd be right that it doesn't, but it accounts for creating some of the jobs. It's not realistic to sit here and give you every policy that impacted jobs, though. Another way is that reduced regulations, such as the water regulation, has helped coal out. It's still a dying industry, but it can hang on a little longer. Another way is that just by talking about lowering taxes and things like that, it helps to create a good economic environment, which fosters jobs. Another way is that Trump personally contacted certain companies, and while the companies didn't keep all their jobs, many of the companies did keep some. But let me guess, naming all of these doesn't satisfy you, right? And yet you haven't named one way in which the trend was caused by Obama or even one way in which Obama helped to continue the trend, yet reasonable people do give Obama credit for the economy under his administration as well as for setting up what happened after. Trump deserves credit for what has happened under his watch as well.

So what specific Trump policy resulted in lower unemployment for blacks? Be specific, please.
 
So what specific Trump policy resulted in lower unemployment for blacks? Be specific, please.

The ones I just named have all helped. See, you want to dumb something really complicated down to something simple, but you just can't do that. Do you think no Black people worked on the pipelines? Do you think no Black people worked at these jobs that were saved? Do you think no Black people got jobs because of the positive economic environment Trump created with his branding? How about you tell me what kind of answer would satisfy you.
 
It takes work to make a good trend continue.

Nonsense. It takes work to change trends. In all of physics and science, change = work. Change requires energy. Trump is coasting on Obama's momentum.

Trump can't get credit for low unemployment because we are at full employment. Obama did such a good job, it's difficult to improve upon but not impossible.

The problem with the economy under Obama's term was that poor and middle class weren't seeing the benefits in terms of wages. And people in the Rust Belt weren't seeing any change to their lives.

Trump needs to create jobs for people in Flynt Michigan and West Virginia and improve working-class wages. Instead, he sits around taking credit for coasting on Obama's economy.
 
LOL!

I remember that it wasn't long ago that Trump took credit for there being no US commercial plane crashes for a whole year.

That goofball is a legend in his own mind.

Too funny.
 
The ones I just named have all helped. See, you want to dumb something really complicated down to something simple, but you just can't do that. Do you think no Black people worked on the pipelines? Do you think no Black people worked at these jobs that were saved? Do you think no Black people got jobs because of the positive economic environment Trump created with his branding? How about you tell me what kind of answer would satisfy you.

You didn't name a specific policy that you can directly correlate to black employment rates.

Please specifically demonstrate what "Trump policy" has been implemented and how it impacted black employment. And please provide links. Thanks.
 
Nonsense. It takes work to change trends. In all of physics and science, change = work. Change requires energy. Trump is coasting on Obama's momentum.

Trump can't get credit for low unemployment because we are at full employment. Obama did such a good job, it's difficult to improve upon but not impossible.

The problem with the economy under Obama's term was that poor and middle class weren't seeing the benefits in terms of wages. And people in the Rust Belt weren't seeing any change to their lives.

Trump needs to create jobs for people in Flynt Michigan and West Virginia and improve working-class wages. Instead, he sits around taking credit for coasting on Obama's economy.

Trump IS coasting on Obama's economy and trying to take credit for it. But That's Trump. It's what he does.

And when the economy takes a downturn, as it has been known to do under GOP presidencies, he will find a way to blame somebody else for it. (Like Obama perhaps. LOL)

Only fools believe his bull**** anyways so it really doesn't matter WHAT the compulsive liar-in-chief says.
 
Trump deserves credit for what has happened under his watch as well.

Unemployment has dropped over 5% under Obama. Has much has unemployment dropped under Trump?

Total nonfarm employment grew by 1.84 million during the president’s first 11 months in office, according to the most recent figures available from the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

It’s a respectable gain, to be sure. But it’s 12 percent lower than the 2.01 million jobs that were created in the 11 months before he entered office.

The average monthly job gain under Trump is now 167,182, well behind the average monthly gain of 213,708 jobs during Obama’s entire second term. It’s also well shy of the pace required to meet his goal of 25 million new jobs over 10 years.

Trump will have to pick up the pace if he is to fulfill his campaign boast that he will be “the greatest jobs creation president that God ever created.”

https://www.factcheck.org/2018/01/trumps-numbers/

Numbers are numbers. Facts are facts. Trump hasn't done anything other than take credit for doing nothing.
 
The president can veto any bill and is pivotal in negotiating Bills. He's also key to the budget.

Trump, for example, has slashed taxes and is pushing for a trillion dollars in infrastructure. He's going to bankrupt the country and fuel a bubble.

Trump may be pushing it, but without congress approval it's dead in the water.
 
What Trump policy is he talking about?

Seems Trump getting elected resulted in the economy of the entire world picking up. Everyone loves Trump, and his stabilizing presence gives the world markets confidence. Something like that. The libruls just can't see the wonders worked by God Emperor Trump!:lamo
 
To be fair the things Trump has done with regulation for example not good for the our future health but a boost to the economy in the short to near future.
Tax cuts for corps good for employment numbers.
All those things are helping all employment numbers. I would hope black unemployment numbers come down with everyone else's.
Why it's even separated out is another question?
I'm willing to give the guy credit where credit is due and so I will give him credit for adding a feel good business environment for business therefore adding a turbo to an already good trend.
I just hope for all our sakes it continues and doesn't crash.
 
Nonsense. It takes work to change trends. In all of physics and science, change = work. Change requires energy. Trump is coasting on Obama's momentum.

Trump can't get credit for low unemployment because we are at full employment. Obama did such a good job, it's difficult to improve upon but not impossible.

The problem with the economy under Obama's term was that poor and middle class weren't seeing the benefits in terms of wages. And people in the Rust Belt weren't seeing any change to their lives.

Trump needs to create jobs for people in Flynt Michigan and West Virginia and improve working-class wages. Instead, he sits around taking credit for coasting on Obama's economy.

A trend itself represents change, so if change = work, then holding a trend that represents change = work as well.
 
To be fair the things Trump has done with regulation for example not good for the our future health but a boost to the economy in the short to near future.
Tax cuts for corps good for employment numbers.
All those things are helping all employment numbers. I would hope black unemployment numbers come down with everyone else's.
Why it's even separated out is another question?
I'm willing to give the guy credit where credit is due and so I will give him credit for adding a feel good business environment for business therefore adding a turbo to an already good trend.
I just hope for all our sakes it continues and doesn't crash.

That makes no sense. Credit for what? You see the chart. Nothing has changed.

Moreover, unemployment is known to be a "lagging indicator." It takes a long time for policy to translate into changes in employment. Nothing about employment in 2017 has anything to do with Trump.

Actually, fewer jobs were added than in 2016

Fewer Jobs Created in 2017 Than Preceding Year

Of course, this is mostly because we are at or near full employment.
 
I wouldn't say "very little." A president can destroy an economy with a few bad decisions. If Bush had not passed TARP. If Obama had not bailed out GM and passed the stimulus things could be much worse.

I agree that presidents get too much credit and too much blame for the economy. But if we look at the economy under Obama, it's nothing short of an amazing turnaround. When he came it it was a major crisis. Trump came in to years of positive unemployment and DOW trends and is now taking credit for it.

Trump's policies haven't changed anything. They haven't even had time to take effect.

Rare that I agree with you but I believe you are 100% correct in the above.
 
That makes no sense. Credit for what? You see the chart. Nothing has changed.

Moreover, unemployment is known to be a "lagging indicator." It takes a long time for policy to translate into changes in employment. Nothing about employment in 2017 has anything to do with Trump.

Actually, fewer jobs were added than in 2016

Fewer Jobs Created in 2017 Than Preceding Year

Of course, this is mostly because we are at or near full employment.

Did you read my post?
I gave credit for continuing possibly adding to a trend.
Come on...Give credit where it's due.
 
Did you read my post?
I gave credit for continuing possibly adding to a trend.
Come on...Give credit where it's due.

He hasn't changed anything. Unemployment was already dropping before he came into office. We added fewer jobs in 2017 than in 2016. You don't get credit for barely maintaining the status quo. Credit not due.
 
In reality Obama wasn't even the reason for the good economy. The president has very little to do with economic progress.

I know we say this a lot, but it's also a lot of bull****.

President Bush 2 went hog-wild with forced deregulation of states' mortgage underwriting standards. That decimated our economy.

Granted, most of what President Obama did was not steer us into any icebergs, but he did that pretty ****ing well. The economy made a smooth recovery under his careful guidance.
 
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