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Deal Or No Deal II

Are you people this ignorant? It only works because that's what Trump wants. That's the position he has taken. My position is a wall is pointless. The wall is not going to do anything to stop illegal immigrants. It's just gonna cost us more money. Money we could be spending on other things like NASA.

So, you don't care about our 20 trillion dollar debt. You want the wall money to be spent on something else.
 
So, you don't care about our 20 trillion dollar debt. You want the wall money to be spent on something else.

We are spending that money if Trump gets his deal, my view is that we should spend that money on other things. A wall isn't going to help the debt problem either so your argument again makes no sense.
 
How about a DACA deal that has a path to citizenship for 1.8 million in exchange for a huge increase in border security (not necessarily a wall) AND the elimination of sanctuary cities, that would no longer be necessary since Democrats would be agreeing that illegal immigration has come to an end?

Deal, or No Deal?

How are Congressional Democrats going to force sanctuary cities and states to end their practices? Do those Congressmen has some special power over Mayors, City Councils and Governors?
 
How are Congressional Democrats going to force sanctuary cities and states to end their practices? Do those Congressmen has some special power over Mayors, City Councils and Governors?

We've already been over this a few times. I guess you haven't read the rest of the thread yet.
 
We've already been over this a few times. I guess you haven't read the rest of the thread yet.

Okay.

So...you present a hypothetical situation...admit that it is unrealistic...

The only reasonable conclusion ANYONE could end up with is, "no deal".
 
Let's assume that 100% of everything you say is exactly right.

History shows that I am right. If they had any intention of upholding enforcement measures then they would have already done so and we wouldn't be having these deal or no deal threads.

What is your deal?

My deal is that illegals don't amnesty or other type of legal status. We don't need to grant amnesty or legal status to illegals. My deal is that enact and enforce laws that curb illegal immigration.

What is it that you want?

I want laws that jail those who hire illegals. I want illegals that are caught to go to jail for six months for their first illegal entry and two years in prison for their 2nd illegal entry like the law says they can. I want all sorts of other things to, but I don't feel like listing them all.


And, if both Democrats and Republicans both are exactly as you say, how do you expect anything to actually happen? Or, do you just want to cry about it because no one is doing anything?

Granting amnesty encourages more illegal immigration. Not less. So I will be fine if no deal is reach. No deal means that those illegals won't get legal status and will either stay here as illegals or return back to their countries.

If we put up a big beautiful wall, do you expect it to stop illegal immigration?

I expect it curb illegal entry and make it easier for border patrol to secure our border just like it does for the Israelis and any other country with a wall or border. They went from having a **** load of suicide bombings to having little to no suicide bombings. The only people who say the wall won't work are pro-illegals who want more illegal immigration and more amnesty.
 
History shows that I am right. If they had any intention of upholding enforcement measures then they would have already done so and we wouldn't be having these deal or no deal threads.



My deal is that illegals don't amnesty or other type of legal status. We don't need to grant amnesty or legal status to illegals. My deal is that enact and enforce laws that curb illegal immigration.



I want laws that jail those who hire illegals. I want illegals that are caught to go to jail for six months for their first illegal entry and two years in prison for their 2nd illegal entry like the law says they can. I want all sorts of other things to, but I don't feel like listing them all.




Granting amnesty encourages more illegal immigration. Not less. So I will be fine if no deal is reach. No deal means that those illegals won't get legal status and will either stay here as illegals or return back to their countries.



I expect it curb illegal entry and make it easier for border patrol to secure our border just like it does for the Israelis and any other country with a wall or border. They went from having a **** load of suicide bombings to having little to no suicide bombings. The only people who say the wall won't work are pro-illegals who want more illegal immigration and more amnesty.

Sounds like a rant to me. What is it you want us to do with the dreamers? I'm all for securing the borders and being tough on immigration and illegals but these were kids who did not have a choice. Most of them don't even have a place in Mexico to go to if they were deported.
 
Sounds like a rant to me. What is it you want us to do with the dreamers? I'm all for securing the borders and being tough on immigration and illegals but these were kids who did not have a choice. Most of them don't even have a place in Mexico to go to if they were deported.

I already stated what I wanted done with illegal immigrants. No amnesty or legal status for illegal immigrants.
As minors sure these illegal immigrants don't have a choice and are subject to what their parents want. However at 18 years of age they are legal adults and therefore responsible for themselves being in this country illegally. Most of them do have family in their home countries. So the idea they don't have anybody is an absurd lie by anti-Americans trying to push for amnesty for these illegals.
 
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