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MAGA, Trump Losing Asia to the Chinese

The country we need to make friends with, and fast, is India. If we fail in being the friend India needs, and is going to need, the US will be irrelevant, globally, before the end of this century.
 
If you believe declining global influence is good for the US, you're probably not worth me discussing this issue with.

Correction: I don't believe in countries being leeches off of our military to our detriment. But I guess you don't care about unsustainable military spending, do you?
 
Quite the opposite, but to lose your geopolitical footing in the region means you'll have less influence on those excellent examples you provided, American companies will have less opportunity to invest in what would be a massively lucrative emerging market in Vietnam, to use their economic prosperity to invest in their militaries to turn them into allied (to whatever extent anyway) buffers and thorns in Chinas side to combat their long term geopolitical ambitions etc.

It seems like a natural evolution of any industry to exploit all markets.

I would expect that any industry, like Kia or Hyundai would strive to sell products in all markets whether they be the US or China.

Establishing a healthy trading environment with trading partners internationally is key to doing this.

Working within a network of countries that all enjoy a healthy set of trading arrangements seems like a good way to grow all of the economies.

Mutual trade within the framework of national self interest will promote incentives to maintain those mutual arrangements.

Self interest is the best motivator.
 
Correction: I don't believe in countries being leeches off of our military to our detriment. But I guess you don't care about unsustainable military spending, do you?

Forming alliances is not to our detriment... :doh
 
An impossibility, a WW would undoubtedly involve Nuclear Weapons which would destroy humanity even if you weren't directly involved, force projection and economic pressure are the only ways to achieve long term geopolitical success without actually ending up in a WW and to counter the ambitions of China and Russia in their attempts to increase influence.

If that is true then force projection doesn't do anything, either, as any military action, by your own words, would involve nukes so we are spending tons of money for nothing.

You're already massively losing that battle in Africa to China and if you're going to abandon South East Asia, Japan and Korea then don't be surprised what happens next.

Ah...and how are we losing the battle in Africa to China? Oh!...I know! We are too busy droning people and using our military to either prop up dictators or to kill people while China is doing things like infrastructure development for access to resources. So it looks like the point you brought up actually supports me. As for being surprised about what happens next, that's nothing, because you said anything will involve nukes.

It also has to do with keeping shipping lanes open and favorable to America.

Again continue with this line of reasoning to the grave of your geopolitical influence, you won't like how it ends.

We are the largest consumer. The shipping lanes will stay open. If they don't stay open then nothing will keep them open in the long term from China's actions, which brings us back to war so....
 
The Atlantic and Pacific Oceans are not nearly as formidable as they were seventy-five years ago

That's true...which means overextending ourselves, for no compensation from the countries that we protect, is a bad move. It's an unsustainable policy.
 
The country we need to make friends with, and fast, is India. If we fail in being the friend India needs, and is going to need, the US will be irrelevant, globally, before the end of this century.

Trump understands this and has been working toward that end from day one of his Presidency.

In late January, the leader of the United States, the world’s oldest democracy, and the leader of India, the world’s most populous democracy, shared a phone call. Prime Minister Narendra Modi tweeted about the “warm conversation” while the White House issued a statement, which emphasized that the United States considered India to be “a true friend.” In response, Quartz announced the inception of a “bromance,” further positing that President Trump might be “India’s BFF.”

Cute rhetoric. But there’s real reason to expect that the new administration is prepared to bolster the country’s relationship with India. As such, it’s high time to start thinking about how America should move forward with its eleventh-largest goods trading partner.

Trump’s decision to reach out to Modi, which preceded contact with the head of any major European nation, is significant. It’s hardly surprising that the two are simpatico. They come at each other on equal terms—as unrepentant patriots and guardians of economic national interest. (Trump even adopted a version of Modi’s campaign pledge “This time a Trump government” to appeal successfully to Hindu American voters in a viral video). Trump flipped 217 “blue” counties in the election largely by vowing to put “America First,” which meant, among other things, redrafting and tearing up rotten trade deals. The campaign rhetoric has morphed into a governing principle of “Buy American, Hire American.” In 2014, Prime Minister Modi launched Make in India, an initiative “Devised to transform India into a global design and manufacturing hub.” The next year, India attracted $63 billion and replaced China as the top destination for foreign direct investment. Substantial job creation followed.

A Trump-Modi Relationship Could Change the Trade World | The National Interest

A US-India trade relationship will put China on notice that they are NOT the biggest kids on the block.
 
Forming alliances is not to our detriment... :doh

Not being Team America World Police doesn't mean we can't have alliances.
 
Australia is in support of Trump policies because as I pointed out you're the dominant naval power and it will largely align its interests with yours.

But since you are a worshipper at the altar of Trump I doubt I'm going to be able to educate you on the long term damage he may very well be doing to US geopolitical interests.

You are free to present actual facts from the real world.

So far, you are presenting only predictions of dire consequence which I have learned to question on every topic.
 
USD is US influence. Once backed by gold, which got over leveraged, which led to the first OPEC crisis, resulting in a deal with those countries to only trade oil for USD. Until Saddam reniged on that deal, and sold oil for any currency. Which led the way for China to cozy up better with the Middle East, specifically, Saudi Arabia.

Where once USDs were coveted, "the gold standard" if you will, they continually lose their appeal to large foreign investers. Trump has nothing to do with this.

The Dollar used to have a great more cache than it does today. So did the Pound Sterling. So did the Piece of Eight.

As I understand it someone once said to give to Caesar what is Caesar's...

If I have something of value that I hope to sell, I will operate in the currency that is demanded. I believe that currency exchanges exist world wide.

The Franc is no more and the Mark in only remembered- the Euro reigns in Europe.

Things change.
 
The notion that President Trump is losing Asia is absurd. First the US never had Asia. You had the periphery of Asia - the Philippines, Japan, South Korea and Taiwan. You tried and failed to get Vietnam and the broader Indochina. Secondly the US Grand Area Strategy began to crumble in 1949 when the PRC displaced the Kuomingtang-dominated Republic of China on the Asian mainland. Truman, not Trump lost Asia to America.

Britain lost the Indian Sub-continent first to nationalism, which then strayed to Soviet influence and finally partially to religious extremism (both Islamist and Himdu). Russian Asia was lost in the early 1920's to both British and American influence.

The US is effectively bankrupt and as all empires eventually do, it is set to collapse under the huge cost of maintaining empire. However before that collapse occurs there will likely be a domestic shift from Republic to Junta or totalitarianism and it is in that very possible transition that President Trump may cost America dearly. President Trump has surrounded himself with military leaders and corporatist captains of finance which have profoundly anti-democratic leanings and has normalised such authoritarianism. His authoritarian impulses and willingness to embrace the methods of dictators both past and present may lead to a rapidly increasing authoritarian state in the USA. Conversely, attempts to dislodge him may lead to an equally authoritarian state being imposed from another direction.

America is in danger of losing America, Asia was lost seventy years ago.

Cheers?
Evilroddy.
 
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associate professor at Kyushu University's Graduate School of Social and Cultural Studies......

Well I can't speak to the claim itself, but I can say that people with this title are typically very politically neutral, and have virtually no bias against conservatives.

Lol. Seriously. People at Social and Cultural Studies conferences don't care for Trump. It boggles the mind.
 
Trump understands this and has been working toward that end from day one of his Presidency.



A US-India trade relationship will put China on notice that they are NOT the biggest kids on the block.

But it will not work out that way

Cutting back on H1B visas will hit India, second US protectionist policies will make it harder for India to trade with the US not easier
 
But it will not work out that way

Cutting back on H1B visas will hit India, second US protectionist policies will make it harder for India to trade with the US not easier

I didn't say trade deals are easy and neither has Trump. But that doesn't mean either party is going to give up trying.
 
Well I can't speak to the claim itself, but I can say that people with this title are typically very politically neutral, and have virtually no bias against conservatives.

Lol. Seriously. People at Social and Cultural Studies conferences don't care for Trump. It boggles the mind.

Actually, anyone with a functioning brain doesn't care for Trump
 
I didn't say trade deals are easy and neither has Trump. But that doesn't mean either party is going to give up trying.

Trump is pushing Canada away, South Korea away among others. How on earth is he going to get India on board?

India is in all likelihood the most diverse country on earth. Trump is very likely to insult one or more important groups in India making any agreement impossible. Even military deals worth $10 billion or so take 8 years to get signed
 
Trump is pushing Canada away, South Korea away among others. How on earth is he going to get India on board?

India is in all likelihood the most diverse country on earth. Trump is very likely to insult one or more important groups in India making any agreement impossible. Even military deals worth $10 billion or so take 8 years to get signed

Trump is not pushing anyone away. He is insisting on fair agreements...something previous administrations either weren't capable of or just plain didn't want. If Canada and others pull away, that is their choice. Not Trump's.
 
It's an unfortunate trend for sure, but it started in earnest when Obama cut back on military aid to Egypt after they got rid of the Muslim extremist -- Morsi -- and Egypt turned to Russia. It is continuing, for sure, but one way to slow it is to treat our allies -- real allies -- with respect and quit telling them what to do.

Obama had a decent idea to team up with other Asian countries to country China. Hysterical idiots on both sides sunk the TPP.

If you want to be practical you have to accept that Israel is not much of an ally in the region. They can't help us do anything in the region. Everyone in the region hates them. What good is Israel to us as an ally in the Middle East. Can they help us wit the war on terror the way Pakistan or Saudi Arabia can? Do they have militias fighting ISIS like Iran?

I'm not sure we can undo all the damage Trump has done. He's scored points with the Christian Right by siding with Israel. But he's losing the Middle East to Russia and Iran in the process.
 
Obama had a decent idea to team up with other Asian countries to country China. Hysterical idiots on both sides sunk the TPP.

If you want to be practical you have to accept that Israel is not much of an ally in the region. They can't help us do anything in the region. Everyone in the region hates them. What good is Israel to us as an ally in the Middle East. Can they help us wit the war on terror the way Pakistan or Saudi Arabia can? Do they have militias fighting ISIS like Iran?

Israel's our best strategic ally in the region. Of course, every administration since Johnson has realized that and acted accordingly -- even Obama -- albeit grudgingly.

I'm not sure we can undo all the damage Trump has done. He's scored points with the Christian Right by siding with Israel. But he's losing the Middle East to Russia and Iran in the process.

That's a pretty big conspiracy theory there -- and completely unfounded as well. The Israel thing is of little strategic importance either way, but it sends a message that the Gazans will be making no new inroads. Obama lost the Middle East for us when he decided to back religious nuts over secular leaders -- huge mistake. Add Libya into the mix and he created just the right atmosphere for ISIS to thrive (as it did). And don't forget -- Obama, himself, admitted that Libya was his biggest mistake. Ousting and killing a dictator wasn't something he did on his own, although, that was a little gift wrapped up by Hillary, the jingoist. No matter what happens under Trump, we missed a bullet when Hillary lost.
 
Global dominance is not even part of the equation in this discussion. :doh

If you honestly thought that we were going to stop or slow the growth of other nations into economic power houses then you are severely ignorant.
As other economies around the globe grow of course are power will weaken. Most of those countries are finally recovering from years of war something
that the US has not had to do deal with except for 2 times.

I see what they are doing in other countries as far as tech goes and they are way ahead of any development in the US.
All the major tech companies that are in the market are overseas not in the US.

You are ignoring history trends it is simply not possible for the US to stay number 1 forever. Other emerging markets will take over as they grow and we have hit a peak sort of speak.
The only way to grow more here is to invite foreign tech and foreign investments into the country which they are already looking at doing.
 
Quite the opposite, but to lose your geopolitical footing in the region means you'll have less influence on those excellent examples you provided, American companies will have less opportunity to invest in what would be a massively lucrative emerging market in Vietnam, to use their economic prosperity to invest in their militaries to turn them into allied (to whatever extent anyway) buffers and thorns in Chinas side to combat their long term geopolitical ambitions etc.

That is simply the nature of the beast. There is little you can do about it. The fact is we have been getting the raw end of the deal on a lot of these trade agreements.
more so these free trade agreements.
 
If you honestly thought that we were going to stop or slow the growth of other nations into economic power houses then you are severely ignorant.
As other economies around the globe grow of course are power will weaken. Most of those countries are finally recovering from years of war something
that the US has not had to do deal with except for 2 times.

I see what they are doing in other countries as far as tech goes and they are way ahead of any development in the US.
All the major tech companies that are in the market are overseas not in the US.

You are ignoring history trends it is simply not possible for the US to stay number 1 forever. Other emerging markets will take over as they grow and we have hit a peak sort of speak.
The only way to grow more here is to invite foreign tech and foreign investments into the country which they are already looking at doing.
Actually, no. Trump and his luddites aim to take us backwards, more toward 1950's mores and technologies than 21st century.
 
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