It’s Now Likely Mueller Thinks Trump Obstructed Justice

Rob Larrikin said:

There it is folks. "Mountains of evidence" but none offered. We all know if "cardinal" had any, he'd be falling over himself to supply it.

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A recent National Security Agency memo documents a phone call in which U.S. President Donald Trump pressures agency chief Admiral Mike Rogers to state publicly that there is no evidence of collusion between his campaign and Russia, say reports.

The memo was written by Rick Ledgett, the former deputy director of the NSA, sources familiar with the memo told The Wall Street Journal. Ledgett stepped down from his job this spring.

The memo said Trump questioned the American intelligence community findings that Russia interfered in the 2016 election. American intelligence agencies issued a report early this year that found Russian intelligence agencies hacked the country’s political parties and worked to sway the election to Trump.

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Dan Coats, the director of national intelligence, told House investigators Thursday that President Trump seemed obsessed with the Russia probe and repeatedly asked him to say publicly there was no evidence of collusion, a U.S. official familiar with the conversation told NBC News.

Coats’ account is not new — it largely tracked with his story as previously reported by NBC News and other media outlets, the official said.

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Donald Trump has said he was thinking of “this Russia thing” when he decided James Comey’s fate – contradicting the White House rationale that he fired the FBI director for mishandling the Clinton email investigation.

Comey had been leading an investigation into possible collusion between Trump advisers and Russian officials when he was dismissed by the president. Defending that decision in an interview on NBC News on Thursday, Trump said: “And, in fact, when I decided to just do it, I said to myself, I said: ‘You know, this Russia thing with Trump and Russia is a made up story, it’s an excuse by the Democrats for having lost an election that they should’ve won.’”

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The White House acknowledged Tuesday that President Trump “weighed in as any father would” in helping draft a misleading statement for Donald Trump Jr. last month about his meeting with Russians during the presidential campaign.

By the acknowledgment, White House Press Secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders seemed to confirm the gist of a Washington Post story, published late Monday, that Trump dictated the statement for his son while aboard Air Force One, overruling advisors who wanted a fuller, more candid explanation of the June 2016 meeting in Trump Tower.

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President Donald Trump in a tweet on Saturday said he fired his former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn because Flynn lied to the vice president — and the FBI.

If that is indeed the case, that means Trump knew that Flynn had lied to the FBI when he asked FBI Director James Comey to drop his inquiry into Flynn and then fired Comey when he failed to do so.

“I had to fire General Flynn because he lied to the Vice President and the FBI,” Trump said in a midday tweet. “He has pled guilty to those lies. It is a shame because his actions during the transition were lawful. There was nothing to hide!”

Flynn resigned on February 13 as Trump’s top national security adviser after it came to light that he had lied to Vice President Mike Pence about discussing Russian sanctions in calls with then-Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak prior to Trump’s inauguration.

Trump met with then-FBI Director Comey in the Oval Office the next day and asked him to talk about Flynn, according to a contemporaneous memo written by Comey. During that meeting Trump allegedly told Comey that Flynn “is a good guy” and hoped Comey could see his way to “letting Flynn go.” Trump fired Comey under dubious circumstances in May.

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U.S. President Donald Trump repeatedly urged senior Senate Republicans over the summer to end the Senate Intelligence Committee’s probe into Russian meddling in the 2016 election, including the panel’s chairman, the New York Times reported on Thursday, citing several lawmakers and aides.

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Cardinal said:

Oh good, another apdst clone. This board can never have too many of those.

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President Trump directed his White House counsel to tell Atty. Gen. Jeff Sessions to not recuse himself from the Justice Department's investigation into potential ties between Russia and the Trump campaign, according to a person familiar with the matter.

The conversation between Don McGahn, the president's White House counsel, and Sessions took place on the president's orders and occurred just before the attorney general announced that he would step aside from the ongoing inquiry into Russian meddling in the 2016 presidential election, according to a person with knowledge of the interaction. Two other people confirmed details of the conversation between McGahn and Sessions.

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President Trump ordered the firing of special counsel Robert S. Mueller III last June, but he backed off after White House Counsel Donald McGahn threatened to resign, according to a report Thursday in the New York Times.

The newspaper reports that Trump demanded Mueller's firing just weeks after the special counsel was appointed by Deputy Atty. Gen. Rod Rosenstein

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President Donald Trump asked acting FBI director Andrew McCabe who he voted for in the 2016 election in an introductory Oval Office meeting, The Washington Post reported Tuesday, citing several current and former US officials.

The meeting happened in May, not long after Trump fired former FBI director James Comey, according to the Post.
The officials said McCabe responded by telling the President that he didn't vote.
Trump also expressed frustration because McCabe's wife had received "several hundreds of thousands of dollars in donations" when she ran for a Virginia state Senate seat in 2015 from a group with ties to Hillary Clinton, the officials said, according to The Washington Post's report.
The White House did not immediately respond to CNN's request for comment, and the FBI declined to comment

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Rob Larrikin said:

Ad hom, distraction, sneering. Anything but evidence.

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markjs said:

The evidence was presented

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Rob Larrikin said:

If you mean Fake News links, that's not evidence. It's opinion and hearsay. No evidence.

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MovingPictures said:

Why did Ken Starr investigate Bill Clinton laying off employees in the travel office? It's called abuse of power, which in Trumps case is defined as obstruction of justice.

These are literally all things the Congress in the 1970's labeled as abuse of power and obstruction of justice by Nixon during Watergate.

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phattonez said:

So the outcome of this Russia investigation is that no Russian collusion was found, but that Trump obstructed justice even though the investigation proceeded and was able to find no evidence of Russian collusion.

You really nailed DRUMPFFFF this time.

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MrShangles said:

What the F did Trump obstruct, investigation is still going,

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Rob Larrikin said:

There it is folks. "Mountains of evidence" but none offered. We all know if "cardinal" had any, he'd be falling over himself to supply it.

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Mycroft said:

Isn't it amazing how an unfounded, unverified factless rumor can cause people who consider themselves to be well-educated to convince themselves a person is guilty...of something or other?

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MrShangles said:

What the F did Trump obstruct, investigation is still going, Mueller still witch hunting.
It’s all fixing to come to a head anyway, and this is one deplorable redneck that can’t wait, get y’alls crayons ready.


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imagep said:

Yup. the majority of GOP congress critters think that Trump is a nutcase. They just bear with him because he is their nutcase (for the time being). They would be ok with impeaching him as long as there is no chance that a democrat would replace him, and there is no such chance. Pence would be much more effective for the conservative cause than Trump, and much less of a national embarrassment.

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Rob Larrikin said:

Ad hom, distraction, sneering. Anything but evidence.

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Rob Larrikin said:

Yes, you can see this often in history. Over the ages humans have demonstrated this millions of times. What are the ingredients needed? Hate is one; such hatred that facts no longer matter. Another is intense grief. Jealousy is another.

Look at the National Socialist Hitler when Jesse Owens won 4 gold medals during the Berlin Olympics. No matter how great Owens was, Hitler would not acknowledge him. He was furious that Owens had won, and said that future games should not include blacks. In his mind, even though he saw Owens win with his own eyes, he refused to accept it. To him, Owens would always be a loser, no matter what.

The Left hate Trump with an intensity that blinds them to all facts. They are miserable and intensely jealous, and these three things make them the same as dear Adolf, regarding Owens. They hate Trump and will not acknowledge his great achievements. Ever.

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Tanngrisnir said:

It didn't have to be stopped for it to be obstruction; all that was required was the attempt to stop it.

There is no witch hunt occurring, nor can you demonstrate that there is one.

Knowing what you're braying about before actually braying is a good thing.

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DiAnna said:

I agree. This congress isn't going to do a damn thing. The next congress might; we'll have to see come November.

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MrShangles said:

So where’s that attempt you speak of, if you’re being investigated is it not common to have a lawyer to advise you of things. Trump wanted to fire Mueller ,his lawyer said don’t.
So my question stands, where is the obstruction.
But hey if Trump is guilty then he needs to be prosecuted, and anyone else that colluded with someone to influence the election should be investigated and prosecuted if crimes are found.
Do y’all feel the same about that.
Or are y’all only against Trump if he was breaking the law but not other folks that colluded with Russia.(dossier)?

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Cardinal said:

I demand a higher level of bait.

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Cardinal said:

I know. That's why I'm restricting my argument exclusively to the point of Mueller having enough evidence rather than any impact Mueller would have in recommending impeachment.

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iliveonramen said:

attempted Mueller firing

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imagep said:

Yup. the majority of GOP congress critters think that Trump is a nutcase. They just bear with him because he is their nutcase (for the time being). They would be ok with impeaching him as long as there is no chance that a democrat would replace him, and there is no such chance. Pence would be much more effective for the conservative cause than Trump, and much less of a national embarrassment.

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DamnYankee said:

How did DJT obstruct justice when he could fire anyone under his authority? If Mueller does somehow charge DJT with obstruction, that would more than likely cause a constitutional crisis. Which is probably a-ok with leftists, cause as much chaos as possible. Right?

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yankintx said:

Trump has displayed a trend in obstructing justice, add it up and Don is probably facing articles of impeachment with a Dem House. Sure Trump can fire Comey, you add in the rest of Trumps attempts to influence the investigation and Mueller more than likely has a very good case, Its not the crime, its the coverup.

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