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Watching the Super Bowl.

tres borrachos said:
This OP is too dramatic. Not watching the game until the first play? I'm not sure what the point is in this thread. Chock full of fail.
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Yep. I agree. He should be boycotting the entire game. In fact, he is, in effect, taking a knee during the national anthem while he supposedly protests players not standing for the national anthem. If anything, he should be a man and listen to the national anthem while the players take a knee, and then turn the game off from that point on.
 
Bucky said:
I will only watch the game as well. I am sick and tired of these mediocre performers. Last year I had to watch through the chubby and untalented Lady Gaga and now we have to watch this Michael Jackson wannabe in Justin Timberlake.

Again give me rock or country music. These choices for music selection leave me unsatisfied.
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You shouldn't be watching the game at all. What is with your lean? Slightly liberal? Really? You are one of the farthest right members of this board. Anyway, if you had any balls you would be turning off football altogether, even the Super Bowl. Surely you have something better to do, like your laundry or something. Why would you contribute money (through ratings) to help pay the player's salaries so that they can disrespect our country? Let's send them to the unemployment line like we did with Kaepernick.
 
lurchadams said:
Don't forget to scream, "MAGA!" when you turn it off!

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Watching the game will interrupt his daily ritual of burning incense before a portrait of Trump anyway.
 
JoeTrumps said:
I will be watching. but I have to say if any players kneel before the game I will probably turn it off.
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My gut feeling is players will stand or the network will not broadcast the anthem. In any event, I have already turned football off long ago until this ridiculousness stops and we support our country, warts and all.
 
Moderate Right said:
It's absolutely disgusting that people who you are supposed to look up to encourage others not to stand during the national anthem just because the country is not perfect. If everyone took a knee for every little imperfection in this country then no one would be standing for the national anthem anymore and we could just get rid of it and not play it anymore at events, which is what liberals stand for. Police brutality? Don't stand for the anthem. Racism? Don't stand for the anthem. Sexism? Don't stand for the anthem. Animal cruelty? Don't stand for the anthem. Sexual abuse? Don't stand for the anthem. Income inequality? Don't stand for the anthem. Shortage of oranges? Don't stand for the anthem. Don't like the new crayola crayon color? Don't stand for the anthem.
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That's a textbook and failed slippery slope warning.
 
Moderate Right said:
My gut feeling is players will stand or the network will not broadcast the anthem. In any event, I have already turned football off long ago until this ridiculousness stops and we support our country, warts and all.
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So how is systemic racism a "wart", but kneeling football players is worse than that?
 
The reason I won't turn the game on until the first play is because I believe if enough people do that it will show up in the ratings. Advertisers are very sensitive to how many eyeballs are on their products. I know many people cancelled their Sunday Ticket packages with Direct TV because the person I talked to at Direct TV told me. Just a subtle move of not viewing any pregame coverage can have a great effect. My guess is that taking a knee will not happen next year. Taking a knee is a Saul Alinsky tactic.

Politics can feed itself by taking something positive and turning into something negative. In 1969 at the famous Woodstock Concert, Abbey Hoffman, no doubt with a prototype of Saul Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals in his pocket, jumped on the stage and grabbed a microphone in an attempt to politicize the event. He was summarily plowed off the stage with the guitar of the Who’s Pete Townshend.

Townshend wasn’t worried about advertisers losing money if he clobbered Hoffman over the head with his guitar-which according to some who were there he threatened to do if Hoffman came back on stage. Today things are different-there are huge sums of money at stake in the ultimate arena of pro football, the Super Bowl.

Making use of a ready-made crowd is classic Alinsky but it could backfire. Money talks and it may not seem like a big deal to not watch any pregame stuff but it could make a difference.
 
Ray9 said:
The reason I won't turn the game on until the first play is because .
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You're not actually fully committed to taking a stand.

If you really had a true issue with the NFL, you'd not watch/listen to a single second of the game.
 
Moderate Right said:
My gut feeling is players will stand or the network will not broadcast the anthem. In any event, I have already turned football off long ago until this ridiculousness stops and we support our country, warts and all.
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I'll continue boycotting the NFL even after they come to their senses. I have had it with the NFL.
 
MateoMtnClimber said:
So how is systemic racism a "wart", but kneeling football players is worse than that?
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Let's be real. While racism still exists at some level and likely always will, there has been no systematic racism since the segregation era. The morons who are doing the kneeling are doing so over all of the instances of black men getting shot by cops in the commission of a crime or in self defense. While there is the rare case of a cop being at fault, it is primarily over justified shootings followed by Al Sharpton showing up and stirring the pot.
 
ObamacareFail said:
I'll continue boycotting the NFL even after they come to their senses. I have had it with the NFL.
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I'm probably there myself. Many, many years ago, when major league baseball players went on strike because million dollar contracts were not good enough for them, I went on strike and I have basically never come back. I would like to see the nfl players and the nfl itself apologize to the fans they offended but even with a new league forming soon to take yet another bite out of their pie, the players and the nfl would much rather become a much smaller shadow of what they were than to apologize. So, I'm not foolish enough to hold my breath. If they can't respect our flag and our country I can't respect them enough to watch them on tv, go to their games, or buy their merchandise.
 
tres borrachos said:
This OP is too dramatic. Not watching the game until the first play? I'm not sure what the point is in this thread. Chock full of fail.
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I normally do that, but only because I loathe all the brain dead ceremony and introductions and crap.

When I used to watch, I mean. I really haven't been much of a football fan for about two decades now, and watch the SB maybe 50% of the times. Some years I just flat out don't care.

If the Packers or Seahawks are in I WILL watch. Other than that, meh.
 
Ray9 said:
The reason I won't turn the game on until the first play is because I believe if enough people do that it will show up in the ratings.
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Bigger impact, bigger statement if you dont turn on the game at all.

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Ray9 said:
I cancelled my Sunday ticket. I’ll be watching the Super bowl by not turning it on until the first play.
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That must be the hot ticket my neighbor just picked up on its unexpected and sudden availability. He's booking the flight now and will stay with friends already in a hotel.

He sez thx much. And that nobody needs any reason to remain seated during the anthem cause it's still a free country where we live in it. USA without a viable Bill of Rights starts down the road of being like Putin's Russia. Y'know, all business and no rights. Youse knew that before we recognized the realistic possibilities of it. The ones youse are campaigning to impose on the majority of us. And that we reject. Outright.
 
Ray9 said:
There is something people can do to counter the Alinsky-effect of Knee taking at the Super bowl. Advertisers need as many eyeballs on their products as possible. Viewers can have a profound impact on political statements at sporting events by not watching any coverage leading up to the actual broadcast especially same day coverage.

In addition people can time the start of the game when real play begins and not turn on the game until then. Millions in advertising revenue will be wasted because fewer eyes will be on it.

Once the game begins hit the mute button on your remote every time a commercial comes on.

Write down the products that are advertised and then boycott those products.
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Moderate Right said:
You shouldn't be watching the game at all. What is with your lean? Slightly liberal? Really? You are one of the farthest right members of this board. Anyway, if you had any balls you would be turning off football altogether, even the Super Bowl. Surely you have something better to do, like your laundry or something. Why would you contribute money (through ratings) to help pay the player's salaries so that they can disrespect our country? Let's send them to the unemployment line like we did with Kaepernick.
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Vying to be the Saul Alinsky of the Right they are. Rules For The Right. Or at least what the right resurrecting the guy think he is. Posting separately they do run into one another for sure.

I'll be taking a knee in the tv room. Others watching with me overseas where each of us are now don't know my design yet so I'd be interested in the reaction. I doubt very much I'll find myself alone down there. I hope it's still a free country when I get back.
 
radcen said:
I normally do that, but only because I loathe all the brain dead ceremony and introductions and crap.

When I used to watch, I mean. I really haven't been much of a football fan for about two decades now, and watch the SB maybe 50% of the times. Some years I just flat out don't care.

If the Packers or Seahawks are in I WILL watch. Other than that, meh.
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Yep, doesn't happen much does it. ;)

GO PATS !!! :peace
 
Ray9 said:
The reason I won't turn the game on until the first play is because I believe if enough people do that it will show up in the ratings. Advertisers are very sensitive to how many eyeballs are on their products. I know many people cancelled their Sunday Ticket packages with Direct TV because the person I talked to at Direct TV told me. Just a subtle move of not viewing any pregame coverage can have a great effect. My guess is that taking a knee will not happen next year. Taking a knee is a Saul Alinsky tactic.

Politics can feed itself by taking something positive and turning into something negative. In 1969 at the famous Woodstock Concert, Abbey Hoffman, no doubt with a prototype of Saul Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals in his pocket, jumped on the stage and grabbed a microphone in an attempt to politicize the event. He was summarily plowed off the stage with the guitar of the Who’s Pete Townshend.

Townshend wasn’t worried about advertisers losing money if he clobbered Hoffman over the head with his guitar-which according to some who were there he threatened to do if Hoffman came back on stage. Today things are different-there are huge sums of money at stake in the ultimate arena of pro football, the Super Bowl.

Making use of a ready-made crowd is classic Alinsky but it could backfire. Money talks and it may not seem like a big deal to not watch any pregame stuff but it could make a difference.
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You keep mentioning Alinsky like he's some kind of totem that makes you right. maybe that flies in alt-right land, but here we see through it.
 
Taking a knee at a football game has nothing to do with freedom. It's just a groupthink method to hijack a crowd because a president got elected that is threatening a meal-ticket race card that is running out.
 
Ray9 said:
Taking a knee at a football game has nothing to do with freedom. It's just a groupthink method to hijack a crowd because a president got elected that is threatening a meal-ticket race card that is running out.
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Apparently it's 'hijacked' your watching the start of the game and cancelling some ticket.

Groupthink!
 
Ray9 said:
Taking a knee at a football game has nothing to do with freedom. It's just a groupthink method to hijack a crowd because a president got elected that is threatening a meal-ticket race card that is running out.
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Or because he thinks white supremacists are very fine people. He said it.
 
Lursa said:
Apparently it's 'hijacked' your watching the start of the game and cancelling some ticket.

Groupthink!
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There's no groupthink on the right. They all reach the same conclusion independently when Trump tells them to.
 
ObamacareFail said:
Let's be real. While racism still exists at some level and likely always will, there has been no systematic racism since the segregation era. The morons who are doing the kneeling are doing so over all of the instances of black men getting shot by cops in the commission of a crime or in self defense. While there is the rare case of a cop being at fault, it is primarily over justified shootings followed by Al Sharpton showing up and stirring the pot.
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We can't address the problem if we don't even agree it exists. The fact remains that opportunities in education, health care, housing, and employment are still very different for majority members than they are for minority members. Some people harbor discriminatory attitudes just beneath the surface. Some people expose them in private and in public. Some people still think discriminatory jokes are funny. Some people feel threatened by the struggle for minority equality and inclusion. Racism is alive and well and those who deny it help perpetuate it. The country was built on racism and worse. Its systems were designed to institutionalize racism. Counter measures like the civil rights act, the voting rights act, the ADA, affirmative action, etc. made a lot of differences, but they just made public displays of discrimination less acceptable and more subject to legal penalties. They didn't address the social, culture, and psychological causes and effects of discrimination. Legislation can't really do that. Having lived at various times as a member of majority groups and as a member of minority groups, I assure you that the impact of discrimination is real and lasting and that even the best intentioned members of majority groups are often unintentionally unaware of discrimination's presence and its consequences.
 
Moderate Right said:
I'm probably there myself. Many, many years ago, when major league baseball players went on strike because million dollar contracts were not good enough for them, I went on strike and I have basically never come back. I would like to see the nfl players and the nfl itself apologize to the fans they offended but even with a new league forming soon to take yet another bite out of their pie, the players and the nfl would much rather become a much smaller shadow of what they were than to apologize. So, I'm not foolish enough to hold my breath. If they can't respect our flag and our country I can't respect them enough to watch them on tv, go to their games, or buy their merchandise.
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You want them to apologize because some people pretend that their protest is about something it's not? It's wise not to hold your breath.
 
Ray9 said:
I cancelled my Sunday ticket. I’ll be watching the Super bowl by not turning it on until the first play.

Baby Boomers have always been schooled to believe that America is a special place unlike any other on the planet. Human history is replete with examples of an intellectual elite rising to a corrupt pinnacle and oppressing the masses. Europe’s bloody wars had been recurring events for millennia before American settlers freed themselves from the yoke of British domination. The founding fathers of the United States realized this and so crafted a Declaration of Independence that included the statement that “all men are created equal”. It’s a broad statement that recognized a basic right of all human beings to self-determination.

When Thomas Jefferson with the assistance of Benjamin Franklin issued this proclamation they used the term “men” in an all-embracing sense; they didn’t mean just males nor did they mean just white males. Though slavery was common in those times it wasn’t a recent manifestation. Slavery of all types had existed for many centuries and African slavery initiated and managed by African royalty was no exception. This in no way mitigates America’s role in the slave trade but it does explain how millions of African Americans made their way to the continent.

The African born-into-slavery blight of America was a direct result of the greed of tobacco and cotton growers almost exclusively in the southern states. The northern states quickly recognized the similarity between slavery and British oppression and moved to abolish slavery early on. This led to a civil war that was nearly catastrophic to a young nation. Millions of Anglo Americans died fighting shoulder-to-shoulder with northern blacks in battles against their southern brethren to free all of the black people from the imposed servitude they themselves had escaped not that long before.

In 1969 at Woodstock Abbey Hoffman, no doubt with a prototype of Saul Alinsky’s Rules for radicals in his pocket, jumped on stage and grabbed a microphone to politicize the event by making use of a ready-made crowd. He was summarily plowed off the stage by the Who’s Pete Townshend with a guitar.
Today America has a factionalized, spoiled population.

Taking a knee at the Super Bowl is an affront to all those who died in the Civil War. Such a demonstration is a celebration of Saul Alinsky. Players should proudly stand and celebrate Abraham Lincoln.
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Uh, most of us will not be tuning in until the first play. :roll:
 
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