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quid pro quo

In context, in a period where the campaign collected almost $5M in total with numerous $100k individual donations, the two $247,000 donations from Koch and the Mrs. don't particularly stand out.

As if Ryan needed that ~$500K to convince him to seek tax cuts in the first place.

"Bribe." :roll:

https://projects.propublica.org/itemizer/filing/1198231/schedule/sa
 
To me, a bribe was John Boehner passing out checks from the tobacco lobby on the House floor immediately before a vote on tobacco subsidies in 1995. This just looks like par for the course campaign contributions.
 
In context, in a period where the campaign collected almost $5M in total with numerous $100k individual donations, the two $247,000 donations from Koch and the Mrs. don't particularly stand out.

As if Ryan needed that ~$500K to convince him to seek tax cuts in the first place.

"Bribe." :roll:

https://projects.propublica.org/itemizer/filing/1198231/schedule/sa

Your argument is that it's not a bribe if it's a small amount, if you collect many larger bribes from many different donors?

Interesting defense.
 
Pelosi got 250k in donations from the medical industry after Obamacare passed

Bribe.

Our lobby system is a bribe system bottom line.
 
Bribe.

Our lobby system is a bribe system bottom line.

So I guess you think that all these lying whores tell you the truth. Do you have any idea of the millions who get slaughtered by these war criminals?
 
Wait, what?

Or we could change the election system so that vast amounts of money - media buys, professional staffs, polling, PR, writers, editors, film crews, cameras & studio time & postproduction & on & on aren't necessary. We could provide X amount of free air time by requirement (part of TV/radio licensing, for instance) to any candidate with a reasonable chance of winning (or a fixed amount of the vote - we can set any appropriate floor).

Outlaw PAC contributions, parallel but unrelated expenditures, & so on. Have the candidates actually face each other, in person, on camera, & have @ it. Last man (or woman) standing. Then have the election - primary, caucus, general.

Not a prayer, of course, not until we have the electoral equivalent of 09/11, @ least.
 
So I guess you think that all these lying whores tell you the truth. Do you have any idea of the millions who get slaughtered by these war criminals?

That's nice.
 
It's a crime from the get go. It's a crime when Dem's do it, it's a crime when Rep's do it it's a crime when anyone does it.
 
That's human compassion on a grand scale.

That's called not being dragged off into an off topic grand stand. Go start a thread on wars if that's what you want to talk about.
 
Ryan may not be to everyone's liking, but for some reason I don't think he is dumb enough to accept a bribe. Yeah, I'll wait until there's more than gossip.
 
That's called not being dragged off into an off topic grand stand. Go start a thread on wars if that's what you want to talk about.

I don't want to talk to you, or anyone about wars, I don't want to talk to you about anything. I was just pointing out what lefty louie pointed out, they are all criminal whores, with the addition of them being war criminals. I thought that would make many of you proud.
 
Bribe.

Our lobby system is a bribe system bottom line.

no, no, no, no, no, no no
that is just free speech
being manifest as cold hard cash
and those who are able to "speak" the loudest
are rewarded with congressional votes that make them happy
because we have the best government that money can buy
 
no, no, no, no, no, no no
that is just free speech
being manifest as cold hard cash
and those who are able to "speak" the loudest
are rewarded with congressional votes that make them happy
because we have the best government that money can buy

It truly is the grossest part of our system of government.
 
you hit the nail on the head. Legal bribery called campaign donations.

That's what happens when an idiot SCOTUS declares money "Speech" instead of what it is... property. Basically it is an originalist's ruling where those with property get to actually speak and have more representation politically than those without such money/property.
 
You act like it's not normal to hand half a million dollars to a political candidate who isn't planning on running for re-election.

I know, right? Hell, Clinton got millions.
 
If this was a bribe, Ryan sure was trusting.

Normally bribes are paid before the thing happens that they want to happen, not after.
 
That's what happens when an idiot SCOTUS declares money "Speech" instead of what it is... property. Basically it is an originalist's ruling where those with property get to actually speak and have more representation politically than those without such money/property.

I always considered money as an item, article or as you said, property. Never speech. But perhaps money has always been speech. Just not recognized as such or ruled upon by the SCOTUS. Usually, in elections the candidates with the most money wins. Not always, but most of the time. 2016 was an except as Clinton spent 1.4 billion to Trump's 957.6 million.

But money is what pays for TV and radio ads, flyers, the ground game, campaign visits and stops, campaign buttons and bumper stickers, newspaper ads and a bunch more. Perhaps politics has always been about money. But in a more covert or less glaring way. Less exposure to the public. Money bought newspapers and editors all the way back to our first elections. Money buys mass media.

I do think there is a point of diminishing returns on money. That once it reaches a certain point, amount, from that point on the money spent is wasted or at least doesn't have the same impact and that impact diminishes with each extra dollar spent.

I disagree with the SCOTUS ruling that money is speech or that corporations are people. I do understand how money can be considered speech since the one with money is able to utilize the mass media and everything associated with a campaign much more than one who hasn't as much money. Money does give them a bigger voice, a larger bull horn.

I do think all this campaign reform we have gone through to make elections fairer has actually made election worst. I remember when there were no limits on the amount of donations made. But they were all made to the candidates or political party and the candidates and political parties were responsible for the use of that money. No outside groups whatsoever involved.

Now we have all sorts of outside groups running their ads with the actual candidates and the political party's having no control over them. Against the law. No one is responsible for their ads. I think it was better, perhaps even more fairer prior to all this campaign reform.
 
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