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Dutch police to ‘undress’ youths wearing clothes deemed too expensive for them.

Harshaw said:
They are being "undressed" on the street.
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Do we have the original quote in Dutch? There's no way that people will be undressed on the street. This is a combination of poor translation and hyperbole.
 
Harshaw said:
We know enough to know that they're going to be confiscating clothing, etc., and undressing people on the streets, for the sole reason that a police officer thinks they don't look like they can afford it.

There's enough to form an opinion on that.
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Except that is not what is happening. They are only targeting known criminals with no income streams who are wearing things like Rolexes and who can't explain how they acquired them.

They are not going to be pulling down the pants of random young people in the street.
 
Aristaeus said:
Except that is not what is happening. They are only targeting known criminals with no income streams who are wearing things like Rolexes and who can't explain how they acquired them.

They are not going to be pulling down the pants of random young people in the street.
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If you have other info, then it will be welcome in the thread.
 
Not fond of commenting on the laws of other countries, however this doesn't seem conducive to a free society.
 
Harshaw said:
The story doesn't say anything about "gang members." The police chief did, however, reference "guests." No clarity on what that means.

But even if it's ostensibly about "gang members," all the same problems present themselves.
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Clearly, they're targetting Muslim youths. If they're really "guests", why can't you ask them to leave?
 
Harshaw said:
Dutch police to ‘undress’ youths wearing clothes deemed too expensive for them

Dutch police to ?undress? youths wearing clothes deemed too expensive for them | The Independent



Says the police chief: "They are often young guests who consider themselves untouchable. We're going to undress them on the street."

What could possibly go wrong?

But, according to the chief, wearing clothes you can't afford on the street, in his words, "undermines the rule of law."
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Isn't this supposed to be a liberal country?
 
JANFU said:
Recall Al Capone- Income tax.
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For which they had evidence and proof.

From the articles, these officers have neither, simply circumstantial, at best. "He's poor, but wearing expensive things, ergo, a criminal"
 
Aristaeus said:
Do we have the original quote in Dutch? There's no way that people will be undressed on the street. This is a combination of poor translation and hyperbole.
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Here is what De Telegraaf said. Agenten in Rotterdam gaan dure jassen en chique horloges afpakken als niet duidelijk is hoe die zijn betaald. Police agents in Rotterdam are going to confiscate expensive watches and jackets if it cannot be shown how they were paid for. Not a word about undressing.
 
atheist4thecaus said:
Notice they are only targeting men and boys as well, not women and girls. This is as much a gender issue as it is a legal one.
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It's Stop and Strip.

The Gucci Guys only.

See if they have a wad of euros in their shorts to impress the girls. And everyone else. Who knew it could get you busted in the Netherlands one day. Not to mention getting fondled by the cops checking you out everywhere you go.


Designer label Dudes: Beware of a new police ” street strip and search ” plan for Rotterdam

Posted on January 23, 2018

The Dutch police are planning to stop and search young people wearing designer gear in the city if they will decide they are too poor to be kitted out in Gucci jackets. If they don’t believe they should be wearing them, they are going to confiscate them on the spot.

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Hand over that wad dude. You don't hand it over then we're going in after it. Wow, that's a handful eh Hans!


Not surprisingly people have slammed the idea because it could lead to racial profiling. The Netherlands version of the website Vice contains some particularly strong criticism after Vice spoke with young people in Rotterdam.

“Police won’t consider a white guy walking around in an expensive jacket to be a potential drug dealer,” said Quincy, a 20-year-old man. “But it’ll be a different story with minorities.” It strikes me if you happen to be black or from other minorities Rotterdam might not be the best place to go for a weekend trip.

More disturbingly what would happen if this type of action caught on. In an era when the new Tory vice chairman for youth,Ben Bradley, the 28 year old MP for Mansfield, in his youth called for more ” police brutality”, and vasectomies for men on the dole, you never know what will happen.

Perhaps he might suggest it as a new manifesto policy to attract young voters to the Tories or to attract former ” law and order ” UKIP voters back into the fold. The only disadvantage for the latter is that it is happening in Europe.

Frankly to me it seems a very daft and dangerous idea – yet another move to raise racial tensions and stereotyping black youth – rather similar to police stopping an Afro Caribbean just because he is driving a sports car or an expensive 4×4.

https://davidhencke.com/2018/01/23/...e-street-strip-and-search-plan-for-rotterdam/


David Hencke runs a blog on Netherlands and UK which I click up regularly given some business contacts I have in Netherlands and China.

So I dunno but maybe Rudy Guilliani and his firm of flatfoots are advising the grabby police in Rotterdam. The courts threw out Guilliani's stop and search of black guys in NYC. It looks like the Rotterdam police expect cooperation from the courts in their stop and strip shakedowns of guys they don't like the looks of. Or maybe like the looks of.

Bribes always being a common problem in any society the lawyers and prosecutors themselves will have to make sure their briefs hold up in court eh. :3oops:
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Civil asset forfeiture strikes again. If only we could limit freedom enough then crime would certainly drop to an acceptable level.
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In the U.S. we had stop and frisk--warrantless search and seizure.

The most expedient way to deal with crime is to undermine civil liberties. The law enforcement advocates are almost always enemies of liberty.

Hence the conservatives vs ACLU
 
At first blush this looks and smells like some incredibly shoddy civil asset forfeiture run amuck.
That's all I have to say right now on the matter.
 
zyzygy said:
I used to walk from my place of employment to the Central station in Antwerp with colleagues. En route was a cafe for the younger generation. It was always full and outside were always 18 years olds in very expensive BMWs. Always the same guys, day and night. Many a time I heard my colleagues muttering that the police should raid the place and find out where the money came from.
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IN my high school, that was called every day.

If you took one of these kids BMw's from them because you didn't think they had the money to buy it, you would have his high powered lawyer father suing you into the next century.
 
zyzygy said:
I used to walk from my place of employment to the Central station in Antwerp with colleagues. En route was a cafe for the younger generation. It was always full and outside were always 18 years olds in very expensive BMWs. Always the same guys, day and night. Many a time I heard my colleagues muttering that the police should raid the place and find out where the money came from.
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A lot of countries ain't the United States but how about a warrant based on probable cause and issued by a court of law.

Netherlands as is the case in many EU countries does have a code of civil laws ne c'est pas....

free online translation in English of the Dutch Civil Code Book 6 Obligations and Contracts


The link presents only a part of it. I'd hoped you'd been better informed frankly.
 
Mason66 said:
IN my high school, that was called every day.

If you took one of these kids BMw's from them because you didn't think they had the money to buy it, you would have his high powered lawyer father suing you into the next century.
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Well they wouldn't take the BMW away from them because they could prove how they got it.
 
jonny5 said:
I dont suppose they have the 4th amendment there?
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Harshaw said:
In the Netherlands? No.
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Netherlands itself and as a member state of EU does have a reasonably serious civil code. Here's some part of it from a recent report by the State Department Bureau of Democracy, Human Rights, and Labor, 2010 Country Reports on Human Rights Practices....

Civil Judicial Procedures and Remedies

There is an independent and impartial judiciary in civil matters. Individuals may bring lawsuits for damages related to a possible human rights violation before the regular court system or specific appeal boards, and once individuals exhaust national remedies, they may appeal to the ECHR.

f. Arbitrary Interference with Privacy, Family, Home, or Correspondence

The law prohibits such actions, and the government generally respected these prohibitions in practice.

https://www.state.gov/j/drl/rls/hrrpt/2010/eur/154442.htm


Maybe some one or group in Netherlands needs to challenge this police state stuff in court. The policy announced by the chief of police in Rotterdam is arbitrary, summary, whimsical, capricious by USA standards. I'd be somewhat surprised if it weren't a similar case situation in Netherlands and in most EU countries.
 
I have a bunch of things that I can't afford now a days or because I bought when I could afford or because I received as present. I would hate have to give my best clothes to the government. It already take a lot of money from me.
 
Tangmo said:
Netherlands itself and as a member state of EU does have a reasonably serious civil code. Here's some part of it from a recent report by the State Department Bureau of Democracy, Human Rights, and Labor, 2010 Country Reports on Human Rights Practices....

Civil Judicial Procedures and Remedies

There is an independent and impartial judiciary in civil matters. Individuals may bring lawsuits for damages related to a possible human rights violation before the regular court system or specific appeal boards, and once individuals exhaust national remedies, they may appeal to the ECHR.

f. Arbitrary Interference with Privacy, Family, Home, or Correspondence

The law prohibits such actions, and the government generally respected these prohibitions in practice.

https://www.state.gov/j/drl/rls/hrrpt/2010/eur/154442.htm


Maybe some one or group in Netherlands needs to challenge this police state stuff in court. The policy announced by the chief of police in Rotterdam is arbitrary, summary, whimsical, capricious by USA standards. I'd be somewhat surprised if it weren't a similar case situation in Netherlands and in most EU countries.
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I don't know about Netherlands but in Germany people tend to be very obedient to authorities which makes the government to become very abusive on people lives and a problem for freedom. At least in my point of view.
 
JANFU said:
What do they do when a person, known criminal has substantial properties / wealth and little to no income streams?
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So now people need to carry on their person their complete financial records everywhere they go 24/7. To prove they are gainful members of society. Methinks not.

And people like Trumpf have a lot of "known criminals" lined up and identified already to include the MSM as "the enemy of the people." Fraternal Order of Police endorsed Trump with delirium. So did Action Man Putin's' admirers in the NRA.

Your "known criminal" can be another person's special counsel or FBI agent.
 
JANFU said:
I sated that we do not have enough information on this to make an informed opinion- what the laws are, what procedures Police are following. So you do your research on this, then get back to me.
Till that time, thanks.
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Harshaw said:
We know enough to know that they're going to be confiscating clothing, etc., and undressing people on the streets, for the sole reason that a police officer thinks they don't look like they can afford it.

There's enough to form an opinion on that.
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Indeed.

Stop and Strip during summer isn't going to leave much behind izzit.

It's January and the police authorities are talking jackets and whatnot. The implications in this are simple to bare.
 
Aristaeus said:
Well they wouldn't take the BMW away from them because they could prove how they got it.
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How could they prove that on the spot?

An expensive car registered to a teenager. How can they prove that?
 
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