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Dutch police to ‘undress’ youths wearing clothes deemed too expensive for them.

Harshaw

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Dutch police to ‘undress’ youths wearing clothes deemed too expensive for them

Dutch police to ?undress? youths wearing clothes deemed too expensive for them | The Independent

Police in the Dutch city of Rotterdam have launched a new pilot programme which will see them confiscating expensive clothing and jewellery from young people if they look too poor to own them.

Officers say the scheme will see them target younger men in designer clothes they seem unlikely to be able to afford legally – if it is not clear how the person paid for it, it will be confiscated.

The idea is to deter criminality by sending a signal that the men will not be able to hang onto their ill-gotten gains.
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Says the police chief: "They are often young guests who consider themselves untouchable. We're going to undress them on the street."

What could possibly go wrong?

But, according to the chief, wearing clothes you can't afford on the street, in his words, "undermines the rule of law."
 
What the actual heck?
 
Harshaw said:
Dutch police to ‘undress’ youths wearing clothes deemed too expensive for them

Dutch police to ?undress? youths wearing clothes deemed too expensive for them | The Independent



Says the police chief: "They are often young guests who consider themselves untouchable. We're going to undress them on the street."

What could possibly go wrong?

But, according to the chief, wearing clothes you can't afford on the street, in his words, "undermines the rule of law."
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And I thought our asset forfeiture rules were ridiculous but it looks like the Dutch now have us beat to the punch! I wonder what they would do with a 25 year old Mark Zuckerburg wearing designer clothes? What about a guy who got expensive clothes from a rich uncle as a birthday present? Nevermind the police simply mistaking generic knock-offs as designer. My mind is coming up with all kinds of ways that this can go wrong.
 
Civil asset forfeiture strikes again. If only we could limit freedom enough then crime would certainly drop to an acceptable level.
 
Harshaw said:
Dutch police to ‘undress’ youths wearing clothes deemed too expensive for them

Dutch police to ?undress? youths wearing clothes deemed too expensive for them | The Independent



Says the police chief: "They are often young guests who consider themselves untouchable. We're going to undress them on the street."

What could possibly go wrong?

But, according to the chief, wearing clothes you can't afford on the street, in his words, "undermines the rule of law."
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One reason - they are targeting gangs and gang members

Dutch police to ?undress? youths wearing clothes deemed too expensive for them | The Independent

“We regularly take a Rolex from a suspect. Clothes rarely. And that is especially a status symbol for young people. Some young people now walk with jackets of €1800. They do not have any income, so the question is how they get there.”

He said the young men targeted often have no income and are already in debt from fines for previous convictions but wearing expensive clothing.
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And people like to go on about how European countries are so much more better than The United States.
 
Josie said:
Are you in favor of this?
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Tell ya the truth I am conflicted
In your country and ours we have criminals that have expensive tastes - little or no income and expensive cars, property leading the high life. Where do they get the money?
 
Harshaw said:
Dutch police to ‘undress’ youths wearing clothes deemed too expensive for them

Dutch police to ?undress? youths wearing clothes deemed too expensive for them | The Independent



Says the police chief: "They are often young guests who consider themselves untouchable. We're going to undress them on the street."

What could possibly go wrong?

But, according to the chief, wearing clothes you can't afford on the street, in his words, "undermines the rule of law."
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Here ya go- easily missed.
Dutch police to ?undress? youths wearing clothes deemed too expensive for them | The Independent
This “undermines the rule of law” which sends “a completely false signal to local residents”, he explained.

The trial is due to start in the Rotterdam West section of the city and police say they will target one gang in particular
The scheme comes after a previous pilot which looked at the expensive cars suspected criminals drove despite not having an income.
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JANFU said:
Tell ya the truth I am conflicted
In your country and ours we have criminals that have expensive tastes - little or no income and expensive cars, property leading the high life. Where do they get the money?
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Who knows? That's why we have police and detectives to determine if they are criminals using factual evidence.

They shouldn't just take property from people because of what they FEEL is happening.
 
Josie said:
Who knows? That's why we have police and detectives to determine if they are criminals using factual evidence.

They shouldn't just take property from people because of what they FEEL is happening.
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Take a look at US civil forfeiture laws. Theft by Police run amuk.
 
JANFU said:
Tell ya the truth I am conflicted
In your country and ours we have criminals that have expensive tastes - little or no income and expensive cars, property leading the high life. Where do they get the money?
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Would you be "conflicted" if they took your possessions and then required you to prove beyond a (their?) reasonable doubt, at your own time and expense (yet at their convenience, of course), how they were legally acquired?
 
Harshaw said:
OK. Like I said, even if it's supposed to target "gang members," all the same problems present.
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Go after their money, there properties- one thing I learned from an retired RCMP Officer - 9 years on their Tactical Team- was criminals hide assets in other persons names- they (RCMP) then look at the insurance policies to determine who the payee would be in the event of fire/theft (apartment buildings-houses- cars and such).
Go to court get an order to confiscate as proceeds of crime.
 
JANFU said:
Go after their money, there properties- one thing I learned from an retired RCMP Officer - 9 years on their Tactical Team- was criminals hide assets in other persons names- they (RCMP) then look at the insurance policies to determine who the payee would be in the event of fire/theft (apartment buildings-houses- cars and such).
Go to court get an order to confiscate as proceeds of crime.
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This is most definitely not what they're doing here.
 
Josie said:
So you do or you don't agree with this?
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Like I said, conflicted, unsure, how is it being performed. And it appears to be a pilot program and I have little info as to what is being confiscated- one sated Rolex watches. ell they ain't cheap- person has to prove how the obtained it.

Is that not similar to the IRS when under audits for tax evasion?
And as I mentioned US civil forfeiture laws. Do you agree with them?
 
So the cops turn into gangsters and (legally) steal expensive clothing. It may have started in good faith (which i doubt). This is gonna turn into if a guy doesnt wanna pay his ticket they just sell his clothes and shoes and all the jewelry he has on. This is also going to turn into plunder/farming raids by rogue individuals hiding behind pretending to be a cop.
 
JANFU said:
Tell ya the truth I am conflicted
In your country and ours we have criminals that have expensive tastes - little or no income and expensive cars, property leading the high life. Where do they get the money?
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Solve the crime, don't focus on and address the clues!
 
Harshaw said:
This is most definitely not what they're doing here.
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What do they do when a person, known criminal has substantial properties / wealth and little to no income streams?
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Would you be "conflicted" if they took your possessions and then required you to prove beyond a (their?) reasonable doubt, at your own time and expense (yet at their convenience, of course), how they were legally acquired?
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Well I don't dress that well - Not wearing 1800 Euro jackets, no Rolex's.
 
JANFU said:
What do they do when a person, known criminal has substantial properties / wealth and little to no income streams?
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I don't know what they do in the Netherlands. What does it have to do with this?
 
JANFU said:
Well I don't dress that well - Not wearing 1800 Euro jackets, no Rolex's.
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Hmm... it's one of those "as long as they don't come after me then it's no problem" deals as far as you are concerned.

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came_...
 
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