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Trump Wants the Census to Ask About Immigration Status

Ideally illegals wouldn’t be counted in the census. But it is a useless question to ask because the data provided would be useless. I doubt illegals would answer the question honestly. There is nothing to stop you from lying to the census taker so the best they can do is ask questions for which there is no incentive to lie.
 
haymarket said:
Feinstein hit it right on the head - this whole idea is to depress results from people Trump does not want counted in the first place.

Just another example how the right wing wants to use tricks to deny the reality of demographics and how they will change the nation making it more and more difficult for the white peoples party to win a fair and open election.
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NO, the whole idea is to only count CITIZENS line the Constitution requires. This is correcting a problem that has benefited Democrats, so of course the rabid TDS left will try to spin it into something else.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Because getting the census right is hard enough and we really are not very good at doing things anymore, making the success less likely by asking a question that will not get answered honestly thus encouraging lying and making people fearful of the census takers is a bone headed move....there is zero chance of a positive outcome.
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ONE question with 2 choices:
What is your legal status as a resident of this nation?
A: Citizen
B: Non-citizen
 
Kal'Stang said:
Yeah? So? The answer is the same. And he's correct. They shouldn't be counted because they're not supposed to be here to begin with. If some wedding crasher comes to your wedding are you going to consider them to be a part of your wedding? If someone comes to your house and starts staying there without your invitation are you going to consider them a part of the household? Or are you going to call the police to have them removed...if not remove them yourself?
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Again - my question was simply to clarify that the Constitution said to count the people.

Not some of the people.

Not the people who filled out certain forms.

Not the people you want to count.

Not the people who are inconvenient to your agenda.

It says count the people.

If you throw in restrictive questions that have as its purpose the discouraging of people to comply with the census, then you are clearly subverting the process demanded by the US Constitution. And that would be unconstitutional.
 
Kal'Stang said:
I'd rather be willfully blind than seeing things that just aren't there.
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If one is willfully blind - they cannot see anything that is there.

And I am most certainly looking at this with both eyes wide open and functioning. And race is a major motivation in this proposal to restrict some undesirable folks from complying with the census. That is its whole purpose.
 
faithful_servant said:
NO, the whole idea is to only count CITIZENS line the Constitution requires. This is correcting a problem that has benefited Democrats, so of course the rabid TDS left will try to spin it into something else.
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Can you provide the direct quote from the Constitution which says we only count CITIZENS?
 
phattonez said:
Under our current census system, we do not have to talk about our immigration status, or whether we are citizens. Since congressional representation is based on census results, this has the effect of giving more representation to areas that have heavy illegal immigrant populations. Trump wants to change that:

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https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/jan/21/trump-officials-want-2020-census-to-ask-about-citi/

When Feinstein says "inaccuracies," what she really means is that Democrats are going to lose congressional seats from California, New York, and Illinois, and see them instead get moved to red states.

I'm ecstatic about this. Even if you don't believe that illegal immigrants vote, this is where they have a pretty large effect on our government, and they indirectly steal representation away from Americans. Let's hope that this move comes to fruition![/FONT]
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I think it is helpful to have an accurate understanding of how many illegal immigrants there are in particular places, but to do that, you need people to be comfortable admitting their illegal status. So I think the census should collect this data, but there should be no possibility of deportation based on providing the information. I agree that the number of illegal immigrants in a state should not affect that state's representation in Congress. Although there are far worse skews on representation in Congress, such as redistricting and the entire structure of the Senate. There is also at least a colorable argument that could be made that state representation should be somewhat affected by total population, voting and non-voting, as long as only citizens can actually vote.

I think there is some precedent for non-citizens being incorporated into congressional representation in the constitution itself, although it's not exactly something we want to model....
 
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"Your papers, please"

No need for the government to know anything in a census but the number of people in a household.
 
haymarket said:
Again - my question was simply to clarify that the Constitution said to count the people.

Not some of the people.

Not the people who filled out certain forms.

Not the people you want to count.

Not the people who are inconvenient to your agenda.

It says count the people.

If you throw in restrictive questions that have as its purpose the discouraging of people to comply with the census, then you are clearly subverting the process demanded by the US Constitution. And that would be unconstitutional.
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Your argument is flawed and ignores how the Constitution was written. It also doesn't say how many jurors there has to be. Nor does it say that we have to allow any immigrants into the US at all. The Constitution doesn't say a lot of things. Which is why we have a Legislative branch to determine the small things like that. It is also why the Executive Branch can make regulations that determines how they execute the laws that the legislative branch passes.
 
americanwoman said:
"Your papers, please"

No need for the government to know anything in a census but the number of people in a household.
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Ironic that you say that. Did you know that those that are in the US legally are required to have their papers everywhere they go? IE: Green cards, visa's etc etc. In other words if they're not citizens, they're required to present there "papers" whenever asked for it.
 
Kal'Stang said:
Ironic that you say that. Did you know that those that are in the US legally are required to have their papers everywhere they go? IE: Green cards, visa's etc etc. In other words if they're not citizens, they're required to present there "papers" whenever asked for it.
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Yes, I know that, otherwise they would be detained for possible deportation.

In an effort to catch illegal immigrants, would you be willing to carry your papers (birth certificate, etc..) to prove you are a citizen?
 
Hawkeye10 said:
It would be nice to nail down how many people are here illegally as all we have are guesses and the FAILED INTELLIGENTSIA! have both competence and honesty issues so those guesses are not worth a lot, but this is not the way to do it.
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I doubt anybody would answer that question honestly.
 
jamesrage said:
Fienstien is a ant-American piece of **** who licks the testicles of illegals and wants to use their numbers to get extra representation. Illegals shouldn't be counted because they shouldn't be here in the first place and legal immigrants shouldn't be counted seeing how they aren't allowed to vote.
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LOL, god you guys are so ridiculous. Talk about anti American piece of....
 
Cameron said:
I think it is helpful to have an accurate understanding of how many illegal immigrants there are in particular places, but to do that, you need people to be comfortable admitting their illegal status. So I think the census should collect this data, but there should be no possibility of deportation based on providing the information. I agree that the number of illegal immigrants in a state should not affect that state's representation in Congress. Although there are far worse skews on representation in Congress, such as redistricting and the entire structure of the Senate. There is also at least a colorable argument that could be made that state representation should be somewhat affected by total population, voting and non-voting, as long as only citizens can actually vote.

I think there is some precedent for non-citizens being incorporated into congressional representation in the constitution itself, although it's not exactly something we want to model....
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The censuses that I have taken do not require names or addresses. So I don't think this is going to be a problem.
 
Skeptic Bob said:
Ideally illegals wouldn’t be counted in the census. But it is a useless question to ask because the data provided would be useless. I doubt illegals would answer the question honestly. There is nothing to stop you from lying to the census taker so the best they can do is ask questions for which there is no incentive to lie.
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I also think it would get complicated when you have maybe one parent that is illegal but one is not. Then you might have two kids that are illegal but three more that are citizens.

How many lines would the census form have for this?
 
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