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Trump Wants the Census to Ask About Immigration Status

ttwtt78640 said:
We have plenty. Go to any Home Depot and pick up a truck load - they will all swear that they are experienced experts at installing whatever you bought (but you may have some difficulty understanding them).
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Why would you employ an illegal alien?
 
NIMBY said:
California and Virginia were on track to GAIN a seat; now they'll likely stay the same.

AZ, COL, and OR are all scheduled to GAIN one seat, to name changes, with AL and WV losing one.

Manipulating the Census is what we'd expect from the Stephen Miller White Nationalist House ...
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Fine with me. I don't base my opinion on whose ox gets gored.
 
I bet everyone will be very truthful.
 
phattonez said:
There are 435 seats in the House of Representatives, and those are distributed based on populations. If California's population apparently shrinks because illegals don't get counted, then they would lose those seats to another state. I'm not saying that they would necessarily go to a red state, but illegal heavy states uniformly vote Democrat, so this would have the effect of Democrats losing seats and Republicans gaining seats on average.
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There are a good many red states, Texas, Arizona, Georgia that also have immigrant populations. I don't think we can say with any certainty what the outcome may be. And they do not always vote democratic. When same sex marriage was on the ballot in CA, the Hispanic vote turned out to vote against it. Along with much of the black vote. White evangelicals aren't the only ones who vote as one issue voters.
 
I am for the census only asking about number of people in a household.

If we use the census for other info such as race, income bracket, number of guns, ages of everyone, ( all suggested or collected information) then also asking about immigration status is fair for a question. So either can all unrelated questions or be ok with adding more in.


Agian I oppose all info collected other than number of folks in household.
 
Chillfolks said:
I am for the census only asking about number of people in a household.

If we use the census for other info such as race, income bracket, number of guns, ages of everyone, ( all suggested or collected information) then also asking about immigration status is fair for a question. So either can all unrelated questions or be ok with adding more in.


Agian I oppose all info collected other than number of folks in household.
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Why? What is the reason for not wanting additional information?
 
Chillfolks said:
I am for the census only asking about number of people in a household.

If we use the census for other info such as race, income bracket, number of guns, ages of everyone, ( all suggested or collected information) then also asking about immigration status is fair for a question. So either can all unrelated questions or be ok with adding more in.


Agian I oppose all info collected other than number of folks in household.
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All that stuff matters when it comes to making decisions, that is what the census is for. Having only the number of people in a household is not useful information by itself, policy cannot be guided by it. That is part of the reason the addition of this question is questionable, is it useful policy making information or will it produce inaccurate census information.
 
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Trump Wants the Census to Ask About Immigration Status
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that would be a mistake, as it would lead to an inaccurate count. a significant number of people would probably look at the census as an ICE raid even if they are citizens but have family members who aren't.
 
Carjosse said:
All that stuff matters when it comes to making decisions,
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None of it should. Policy should be about benefiting all people equally. Not about identity politics catering.
that is what the census is for. Having only the number of people in a household is not useful information by itself,
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No the purpose of the census is to determine the number of people in the US and distribute Representatives accordingly.
policy cannot be guided by it.
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Nor should the census guide policy. Someone interacting with the voters hearing their concerns should guide policy. Not some excell spreadsheet.
That is part of the reason the addition of this question is questionable, is it useful policy making information or will it produce inaccurate census information.
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Accurate census info is simply the number of people in a given area.
You can lie and say you are illegal or legal just as easy as you can lie about if you are Native American or Caucasian.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Why? What is the reason for not wanting additional information?
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The additional info has nothing to do with the purpose of the census. The number of men v women black v white tall v short don't determine the number if representatives a state gets, it by number in the area.

The rest is fluff
 
Chillfolks said:
None of it should. Policy should be about benefiting all people equally. Not about identity politics catering.
No the purpose of the census is to determine the number of people in the US and distribute Representatives accordingly. Nor should the census guide policy. Someone interacting with the voters hearing their concerns should guide policy. Not some excell spreadsheet.


Accurate census info is simply the number of people in a given area.
You can lie and say you are illegal or legal just as easy as you can lie about if you are Native American or Caucasian.
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The census is to provide useful information when making policy whether you like it or not. How can you direct poverty programs when you have no idea where and by who those programs are needed? How can services like schools function unless you know the number of children in certain age brackets living in the area? It is used by all levels of government to make policy decisions.
 
Chillfolks said:
The additional info has nothing to do with the purpose of the census. The number of men v women black v white tall v short don't determine the number if representatives a state gets, it by number in the area.

The rest is fluff
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The rest is valuable demographic information available for little added cost.
 
Carjosse said:
The census is to provide useful information when making policy whether you like it or not. How can you direct poverty programs when you have no idea where and by who those programs are needed? How can services like schools function unless you know the number of children in certain age brackets living in the area? It is used by all levels of government to make policy decisions.
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By Representatives doing their job and talking to constitutes.

We are not going to come to an agreement on this
 
ttwtt78640 said:
I am letting you have this one for free. ;)
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Hey, since Miller and Cotton seemed to be concerned about it. Lets ask how many of working age in the household are earning 125% of poverty level wages?
Even better, when people file taxes, we could flag the SS numbers of those who are not pulling their weight. That way we can clean house of all the riff raff. We send them back to the country of origin determined by DNA testing. What ever region comes out on top gets them back. I'm sure Cotton and Miller won't lose any family over that.
 
Chillfolks said:
By Representatives doing their job and talking to constitutes.

We are not going to come to an agreement on this
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You need actual data to make real policy. Talking to constituents does not tell you the number of children entering kindergaten in 5 years or what areas of the country need educational assistance the most. Talking to constituents gives you an idea but in order to make real actionable policy you need data and information about people. How do you know if programs are working? It is also possible that constituents are blowing things out of proportion or not focusing on the actual root of the issue. Would you make business decisions without consulting information?

Say for example you are a state/province school board and you are deciding whether or not to build a new school. It is being considered because the parents in the community are complaining about class sizes. So plans go ahead and a new school opens three years later. But wait the demand for schools has gone down and the old facility would have been sufficient because the number of new enrollments in the school was abnormally high for 4 years. If they consulted the census information they would have known there would be decreased demand for schools and not waste money to build a new one.
 
Carjosse said:
You need actual data to make real policy. Talking to constituents does not tell you the number of children entering kindergaten in 5 years or what areas of the country need educational assistance the most. Talking to constituents gives you an idea but in order to make real actionable policy you need data and information about people. How do you know if programs are working? It is also possible that constituents are blowing things out of proportion or not focusing on the actual root of the issue. Would you make business decisions without consulting information?

Say for example you are a state/province school board and you are deciding whether or not to build a new school. It is being considered because the parents in the community are complaining about class sizes. So plans go ahead and a new school opens three years later. But wait the demand for schools has gone down and the old facility would have been sufficient because the number of new enrollments in the school was abnormally high for 4 years. If they consulted the census information they would have known there would be decreased demand for schools and not waste money to build a new one.
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Whole lot of what ifs but all the information you would require is available with other sources. I know my position is unpopular and doubt to win anyone over to my side
 
Chillfolks said:
Whole lot of what ifs but all the information you would require is available with other sources. I know my position is unpopular and doubt to win anyone over to my side
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You need good information to create policy and the census is one of those sources of good information.
 
Does that make you for the question? You can't make good immigration policy without having the census information.
 
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