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Poor DACA recipients

MrShangles

MrShangles

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I’ve asked this question many times, but haven’t had anyone explain it, so here goes again.
If these illegals have been here for many years and they aren’t children anymore, so why haven’t they started the process to become an American, seams like they don’t want to be legal, please explain.


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MrShangles said:
I’ve asked this question many times, but haven’t had anyone explain it, so here goes again.
If these illegals have been here for many years and they aren’t children anymore, so why haven’t they started the process to become an American, seams like they don’t want to be legal, please explain.


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I think the issue is that there's no way to do that available to all of them. Most would be deported, or at least in danger of being deported, as soon as they show up to fill out the paperwork.
 
MrShangles said:
I’ve asked this question many times, but haven’t had anyone explain it, so here goes again.
If these illegals have been here for many years and they aren’t children anymore, so why haven’t they started the process to become an American, seams like they don’t want to be legal, please explain.


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Because it cost money to legally become a citizen, and its not easy. Things the anti-immigration people ignore
 
MrShangles said:
I’ve asked this question many times, but haven’t had anyone explain it, so here goes again.
If these illegals have been here for many years and they aren’t children anymore, so why haven’t they started the process to become an American, seams like they don’t want to be legal, please explain.


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How do you know they haven't taken the steps they need to take?
 
MrShangles said:
I’ve asked this question many times, but haven’t had anyone explain it, so here goes again.
If these illegals have been here for many years and they aren’t children anymore, so why haven’t they started the process to become an American, seams like they don’t want to be legal, please explain.

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Because there is no reasonable way for them to start the process. They would have to leave the country and then re-apply which even then is not a guarantee. That is not a reasonable thing for them to be able to do since most aren't even established in their countries of origin.
 
Praxas said:
Because there is no reasonable way for them to start the process. They would have to leave the country and then re-apply which even then is not a guarantee. That is not a reasonable thing for them to be able to do since most aren't even established in their countries of origin.
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My Friend Chomsky did a nice post on how this works a few days ago but I am too lazy.

The point is that this is no mystery.
 
Sampson Simpson said:
Because it cost money to legally become a citizen, and its not easy. Things the anti-immigration people ignore
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It costs even more money and is more difficult if you try to do it while committing a crime. And if you are here illegally you are committing a crime.

Things the pro illegal people want to ignore.
 
jimbo said:
It costs even more money and is more difficult if you try to do it while committing a crime. And if you are here illegally you are committing a crime.

Things the pro illegal people want to ignore.
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Those that are in the DACA program are not committing a crime. In fact committing a crime would kick them out of the program.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
My Friend Chomsky did a nice post on how this works a few days ago but I am too lazy.

The point is that this is no mystery.
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I did a quick search to beginning of last week and didn't see it. Do you know the name of the thread at least that it is in?
 
Praxas said:
Because there is no reasonable way for them to start the process. They would have to leave the country and then re-apply which even then is not a guarantee. That is not a reasonable thing for them to be able to do since most aren't even established in their countries of origin.
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What you really mean is that they are no longer special people (dreamers?) in their homelands. They too would have to compete on a level footing with their peers to get their entry visa requests processed. They too would have to work for much lower wages, suffer more crime and put up with more government corruption. Your complaint is simply that it is not fair to treat them exactly like their (prior) neighbors that did not illegally enter the US.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
What you really mean is that they are no longer special people (dreamers?) in their homelands. They too would have to compete on a level footing with their peers to get their entry visa requests processed. They too would have to work for much lower wages, suffer more crime and put up with more government corruption. Your complaint is simply that it is not fair to treat them exactly like their (prior) neighbors that did not illegally enter the US.
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No my comment is reality. For some dreamers, they don't even know the language of their country of origin. So you see no problem in deporting someone that doesn't know Spanish to Mexico? That's reasonable to you? Wow, way to show compassion there man.
 
Praxas said:
Those that are in the DACA program are not committing a crime. In fact committing a crime would kick them out of the program.
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Being an illegal is illegal.
 
Praxas said:
Ok, but that didn't refute what I mentioned though. I said they would have to leave the country and re-apply which isn't a guarantee. That's why they don't just try to become citizens through the process.
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Right, and I remember Chomsky writing a great post on the subject, but in any case there is no mystery as to why these people stay illegal, as there is no path to do otherwise.
 
Praxas said:
No my comment is reality. For some dreamers, they don't even know the language of their country of origin. So you see no problem in deporting someone that doesn't know Spanish to Mexico? That's reasonable to you? Wow, way to show compassion there man.
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At who's expense did these "dreamers" get educated in English? How is it compassionate to the "dreamers'" neighbors to tell them to stay in Mexico because we prefer those that entered illegally to you law abiding fools? I see the "problem of deportation" as being a nation of laws that treats those that lawfully apply for visas as being better, not worse, candidates for immigration than those that simply entered illegally and forced the US taxpayers to educate them.
 
jimbo said:
Being an illegal is illegal.
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Not right now it isn't. They aren't illegal, they are part of the DACA program. Your prejudice against them is irrelevant.
 
Sampson Simpson said:
Because it cost money to legally become a citizen, and its not easy Things the anti-immigration people ignore
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And that's how it should be ... and it has nothing to do with being either anti or pro immigration.
If New Zealand would accept me as a legal resident just based on the fact that I want to live there, I'd pack up today and move there.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
At who's expense did these "dreamers" get educated in English? How is it compassionate to the "dreamers'" neighbors to tell them to stay in Mexico because we prefer those that entered illegally to you law abiding fools? I see the "problem of deportation" as being a nation of laws that treats those that lawfully apply for visas as being better, not worse, candidates for immigration than those that simply entered illegally and forced the US taxpayers to educate them.
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All that and you still cannot answer a simple question. Is it reasonable to kick someone out of the country that has been here their entire life to a country they have no connection with and in many cases can't even speak the language? It's no wonder why people call those on the right heartless.

Do we execute people who shoplift? Is that reasonable punishment? If not, then why are you wanting to apply an unreasonable punishment (death in some cases) to those Dreamers?
 
Praxas said:
Not right now it isn't. They aren't illegal, they are part of the DACA program. Your prejudice against them is irrelevant.
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Being DACA doesn't make their stay here legal it just defers legal action against them and allows them to get a work permit.
 
Praxas said:
Not right now it isn't. They aren't illegal, they are part of the DACA program. Your prejudice against them is irrelevant.
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DACA is not a law... it was never passed through congress.... there is nothing "Legal" about it.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
What you really mean is that they are no longer special people (dreamers?) in their homelands. They too would have to compete on a level footing with their peers to get their entry visa requests processed. They too would have to work for much lower wages, suffer more crime and put up with more government corruption. Your complaint is simply that it is not fair to treat them exactly like their (prior) neighbors that did not illegally enter the US.
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These are literally kids whose parents forced them to be complicit in a crime when they were toddlers, or 6, or 10, or even 16 years old. My problem is that now, 10, 20, 30 years later, we are going to punish those people for being "complicit" in their parents' crime at a young age, by exiling them to a country they don't much remember or may never even have known. How is that in any way, shape, or form congruent with the words etched into the Statue of Liberty??
 
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