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"Schumer shutdown"?, "McConnell Metdown"?. More like a "TRump Trainwreck".

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"Schumer shutdown"?, "McConnell Metdown"?. More like a "TRump Trainwreck".

According to Trump himself in 2013, the person most responsible for avoiding a government shutdown is the POTUS. At least it was when somebody else was POTUS (can you say Obama). Based on Trump's recent history, I am quite sure that since it may now happen on Trump's watch, he will claim that it is somebody else's fault. Going back to 2013, Trump himself said that it starts at the top, and THAT person bears the brunt of the responsibility. And if that person cannot get it done, then they should go.

That said, a couple of other points to ponder:

1. A looming government shutdown over the weekend is really no big deal. However, it does make for good "political" theatre.

2. This potential shutdown may well mark the first time that a shutdown has occurred with a single party holding the Senate, House and WH.
 
Re: "Schumer shutdown"?, "McConnell Metdown"?. More like a "TRump Trainwreck".

They had a bipartisan deal. It was Trump that blew it up then the GOP started pointing fingers everywhere but at trump or themselves.
 
Re: "Schumer shutdown"?, "McConnell Metdown"?. More like a "TRump Trainwreck".

Vetplus40 said:
According to Trump himself in 2013, the person most responsible for avoiding a government shutdown is the POTUS. At least it was when somebody else was POTUS (can you say Obama). Based on Trump's recent history, I am quite sure that since it may now happen on Trump's watch, he will claim that it is somebody else's fault. Going back to 2013, Trump himself said that it starts at the top, and THAT person bears the brunt of the responsibility. And if that person cannot get it done, then they should go.

That said, a couple of other points to ponder:

1. A looming government shutdown over the weekend is really no big deal. However, it does make for good "political" theatre.

2. This potential shutdown may well mark the first time that a shutdown has occurred with a single party holding the Senate, House and WH.
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The party controlling the Senate only gets to play the "budget reconciliation" card once per budget year. The Repubs already spent that card on "tax reform" and thus are faced with their worst nightmare: Having to pick up at least nine Democratic votes in the Senate.
 
Re: "Schumer shutdown"?, "McConnell Metdown"?. More like a "TRump Trainwreck".

poweRob said:
They had a bipartisan deal. It was Trump that blew it up then the GOP started pointing fingers everywhere but at trump or themselves.
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By all available signs, Steve Miller and John Kelly blew this one up, leaving Ryan and McConnell to deal with the fallout.

Last Tuesday, Trump held his successful bipartisan meeting, said he had faith in Congress, would sign the bill they agreed to. He basked in the praise of the media ... such a good leader..

Then Thursday 10:00 am he speaks to Durbin on the phone, all is wonderful, Durbin and Graham should come to White House.

Then Miller and Kelly get on the phone and call in Cotton and Perdue and Goodlatte, 3 hard liners on immigration. Miller tells Trump to negate the deal.

And then we get a round of ****hole discussion.

Steve Miller is running this White House.

Ryan tries to pull it out of the fire with a deal on CHIP....which Trump says hell no to...
And now McConnell would like to blame the democrats.....LOL.

This would be comical if it were not the United States government being run by these clowns.
 
Re: "Schumer shutdown"?, "McConnell Metdown"?. More like a "TRump Trainwreck".

Vetplus40 said:
According to Trump himself in 2013, the person most responsible for avoiding a government shutdown is the POTUS. At least it was when somebody else was POTUS (can you say Obama). Based on Trump's recent history, I am quite sure that since it may now happen on Trump's watch, he will claim that it is somebody else's fault. Going back to 2013, Trump himself said that it starts at the top, and THAT person bears the brunt of the responsibility. And if that person cannot get it done, then they should go.

That said, a couple of other points to ponder:

1. A looming government shutdown over the weekend is really no big deal. However, it does make for good "political" theatre.

2. This potential shutdown may well mark the first time that a shutdown has occurred with a single party holding the Senate, House and WH.
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This failure is likely at the hands of "pseudo president" Stephen Miller. It was at his request that Trump added immigration "hardliners" to the meeting. Both Graham and Durbin were surprised to see others in attendance.

Trump only knows how to be President to his base. He is terrified of losing them, so they control him and not the other way around.
 
Re: "Schumer shutdown"?, "McConnell Metdown"?. More like a "TRump Trainwreck".

Phys251 said:
The party controlling the Senate only gets to play the "budget reconciliation" card once per budget year. The Repubs already spent that card on "tax reform" and thus are faced with their worst nightmare: Having to pick up at least nine Democratic votes in the Senate.
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Thank you for pointing out how reconciliation works. Trump and 99% of his followers on this forum don't even know how it works.
 
Re: "Schumer shutdown"?, "McConnell Metdown"?. More like a "TRump Trainwreck".

poweRob said:
They had a bipartisan deal. It was Trump that blew it up then the GOP started pointing fingers everywhere but at trump or themselves.
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Certainly brings into question Trump’s ability to govern. This is not a real estate deal. You don’t play games with the lives of the people. I find his ability to see the difference astounding.
 
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Carleen said:
Certainly brings into question Trump’s ability to govern. This is not a real estate deal. You don’t play games with the lives of the people. I find his ability to see the difference astounding.
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Government was not designed to be run as a business. Trump cannot govern in a political environment.
 
Re: "Schumer shutdown"?, "McConnell Metdown"?. More like a "TRump Trainwreck".

What many seem to be forgetting is that Trump said he would sign the bill so long as it had what he wanted in it. Daca and the Wall. While that proposed bill did have some money for the wall it was a pittance. 1.9 billion. To build the wall the needed amount was around 14 billion iirc. So the bill did not come near enough to actually do what Trump asked for. As such they did not deliver what Trump asked for. Hence, he turned it down. So please stop being disingenuous on it being the bi-partisan bill that Trump wanted.
 
Re: "Schumer shutdown"?, "McConnell Metdown"?. More like a "TRump Trainwreck".

JMR said:
By all available signs, Steve Miller and John Kelly blew this one up, leaving Ryan and McConnell to deal with the fallout.

Last Tuesday, Trump held his successful bipartisan meeting, said he had faith in Congress, would sign the bill they agreed to. He basked in the praise of the media ... such a good leader..

Then Thursday 10:00 am he speaks to Durbin on the phone, all is wonderful, Durbin and Graham should come to White House.

Then Miller and Kelly get on the phone and call in Cotton and Perdue and Goodlatte, 3 hard liners on immigration. Miller tells Trump to negate the deal.

And then we get a round of ****hole discussion.

Steve Miller is running this White House.

Ryan tries to pull it out of the fire with a deal on CHIP....which Trump says hell no to...
And now McConnell would like to blame the democrats.....LOL.

This would be comical if it were not the United States government being run by these clowns.
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And before that, was Bannon.

This is what happens when you have a leadership vacumn. Others, not in the formal chains of command, rise to fill it.
 
Re: "Schumer shutdown"?, "McConnell Metdown"?. More like a "TRump Trainwreck".

Kal'Stang said:
What many seem to be forgetting is that Trump said he would sign the bill so long as it had what he wanted in it. Daca and the Wall. While that proposed bill did have some money for the wall it was a pittance. 1.9 billion. To build the wall the needed amount was around 14 billion iirc. So the bill did not come near enough to actually do what Trump asked for. As such they did not deliver what Trump asked for. Hence, he turned it down. So please stop being disingenuous on it being the bi-partisan bill that Trump wanted.
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Sorry, but you are simply WRONG!
 
Re: "Schumer shutdown"?, "McConnell Metdown"?. More like a "TRump Trainwreck".

Kal'Stang said:
What many seem to be forgetting is that Trump said he would sign the bill so long as it had what he wanted in it. Daca and the Wall. While that proposed bill did have some money for the wall it was a pittance. 1.9 billion. To build the wall the needed amount was around 14 billion iirc. So the bill did not come near enough to actually do what Trump asked for. As such they did not deliver what Trump asked for. Hence, he turned it down. So please stop being disingenuous on it being the bi-partisan bill that Trump wanted.
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DACA and Border Security. The democrats have never indicated support for a wall.
 
Re: "Schumer shutdown"?, "McConnell Metdown"?. More like a "TRump Trainwreck".

My Country, still decisively headed down the ****ter.

When will we wise up?
 
Re: "Schumer shutdown"?, "McConnell Metdown"?. More like a "TRump Trainwreck".

JMR said:
DACA and Border Security. The democrats have never indicated support for a wall.
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Trump also asked for a BIPARTISAN compromise and he would sign it. He got something that Miller and Cotton (who have no clue as to what real compromise is) told him that what was proposed by Graham and Perdue would alienate the base. Trump. being so emotionally fragile and terrified of losing his base, simply crawfished and here we are.
 
Re: "Schumer shutdown"?, "McConnell Metdown"?. More like a "TRump Trainwreck".

Kal'Stang said:
What many seem to be forgetting is that Trump said he would sign the bill so long as it had what he wanted in it. Daca and the Wall. While that proposed bill did have some money for the wall it was a pittance. 1.9 billion. To build the wall the needed amount was around 14 billion iirc. So the bill did not come near enough to actually do what Trump asked for. As such they did not deliver what Trump asked for. Hence, he turned it down. So please stop being disingenuous on it being the bi-partisan bill that Trump wanted.
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No matter how much money they throw at the "wall", they are still fighting 100 or so imminent domain cases from the Bush and Obama wall fiasco. Many of the the people who own property on the border don't want to give up their land for it. Indian tribes don't want it give it up. And this being America, you cannot just take it. Although I know DJT thought he should be able to take an old lady's home for a parking lot for his casino, he lost that one and he will lose most of these. And ten years from now there still won't be a wall.
 
Re: "Schumer shutdown"?, "McConnell Metdown"?. More like a "TRump Trainwreck".

The Democrats want to hold the government hostage in order to protect criminal illegal aliens. Let that sink in...
 
Re: "Schumer shutdown"?, "McConnell Metdown"?. More like a "TRump Trainwreck".

Phys251 said:
The party controlling the Senate only gets to play the "budget reconciliation" card once per budget year. The Repubs already spent that card on "tax reform" and thus are faced with their worst nightmare: Having to pick up at least nine Democratic votes in the Senate.
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Exactly.

They used something that is supposed to be for these kind of situations, to ram through a garbage tax bill for their corporate sugar daddies.

Well, guess what, GOP? That was your choice as leaders of the Congress, so you should have been working with your Democratic colleagues for votes after that, instead of playing politics when the **** hit the fan.

For the party that talks a big game about 'personal responsibility' and the like, they sure don't practice a lick of what they preach; instead blaming others for their own reckless political games.
 
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Re: "Schumer shutdown"?, "McConnell Metdown"?. More like a "TRump Trainwreck".

Vetplus40 said:
And do what?
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Well keep the government operating for starters.....this dereliction of duty kills morale.....if the leaders care so little about staying open getting the work done why should the rest of the government employees and contractors do differently?
 
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digsbe said:
The Democrats want to hold the government hostage in order to protect criminal illegal aliens. Let that sink in...
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And they are sure that the majority of the country will decide that they are the Good Guys. Let THAT sink in......
 
Re: "Schumer shutdown"?, "McConnell Metdown"?. More like a "TRump Trainwreck".

Vetplus40 said:
Sorry, but you are simply WRONG!
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I watched the meeting. No. I'm not. Otherwise you could give me reasons why I'm wrong instead of just shouting like a 2 year old that is told something he/she doesn't like.
 
Re: "Schumer shutdown"?, "McConnell Metdown"?. More like a "TRump Trainwreck".

Vetplus40 said:
According to Trump himself in 2013, the person most responsible for avoiding a government shutdown is the POTUS. At least it was when somebody else was POTUS (can you say Obama). Based on Trump's recent history, I am quite sure that since it may now happen on Trump's watch, he will claim that it is somebody else's fault. Going back to 2013, Trump himself said that it starts at the top, and THAT person bears the brunt of the responsibility. And if that person cannot get it done, then they should go.

That said, a couple of other points to ponder:

1. A looming government shutdown over the weekend is really no big deal. However, it does make for good "political" theatre.

2. This potential shutdown may well mark the first time that a shutdown has occurred with a single party holding the Senate, House and WH.
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The republicans own this....they control house, senate and presidency. Too hilarious. CNN had video of Trump last time there was a shutdown, blaming it all on Obama...of course the hypocrite thinks otherwise now.....
 
Re: "Schumer shutdown"?, "McConnell Metdown"?. More like a "TRump Trainwreck".

Vetplus40 said:
According to Trump himself in 2013, the person most responsible for avoiding a government shutdown is the POTUS. At least it was when somebody else was POTUS (can you say Obama). Based on Trump's recent history, I am quite sure that since it may now happen on Trump's watch, he will claim that it is somebody else's fault. Going back to 2013, Trump himself said that it starts at the top, and THAT person bears the brunt of the responsibility. And if that person cannot get it done, then they should go.

That said, a couple of other points to ponder:

1. A looming government shutdown over the weekend is really no big deal. However, it does make for good "political" theatre.

2. This potential shutdown may well mark the first time that a shutdown has occurred with a single party holding the Senate, House and WH.
Click to expand...

From what I heard, it also happened under Carter. Then look what happened in the 1980 elections....
 
Re: "Schumer shutdown"?, "McConnell Metdown"?. More like a "TRump Trainwreck".

JMR said:
DACA and Border Security. The democrats have never indicated support for a wall.
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You're right, Democrats don't want the wall. They're absolutely against it.

And yes, DACA and border security. Starting with the wall. The rest of the border security discussion was supposed to happen after a bill for DACA and the Wall were passed.
 
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