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World's approval rating of US Leadership reaches new low.

Glen Contrarian said:
Except for when it comes to non-voting American citizens in Puerto Rico...where 40% of the island is STILL without power even now.
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I believe 40% of the island was without power before the hurricane hit.
So, what you want?!? Have the US of A build you a palace after the hurricane blew off your tin shack?
 
Barnacle said:
I believe 40% of the island was without power before the hurricane hit.
So, what you want?!? Have the US of A build you a palace after the hurricane blew off your tin shack?
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No, it wasn't...and so much for your knowledge of America since you believe that Puerto Rico was just "tin shacks". You just showed how truly ignorant you are.
 
reinoe said:
We should cut funding to the UN and use the money to help the Puerto Ricans.
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Apparently, your side wants to cut off funding to the UN, and use NONE of the money to help Puerto Rico.

And when it comes to the UN, one cannot be considered a world leader if one does not do one's part - e.g. spend taxpayer's money - to at least try to maintain peace and order in the world...and it's been successful so far, since from the mid 1990's, we are in the most peaceful such period (relative to population) in all recorded human history. But now that thanks to y'all, we've abdicated our role in world leadership, China is both capable and more than willing to take our place. Good job, y'all - hope you've taken your Mandarin lessons....
 
Glen Contrarian said:
No, it wasn't...and so much for your knowledge of America since you believe that Puerto Rico was just "tin shacks". You just showed how truly ignorant you are.
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NPR -September 2017 - "... Well before this year's series of historically powerful hurricanes, Puerto Rico already had a notoriously fickle power supply and crushing debt — the power authority effectively declared bankruptcy in July. Power outages were routine, even in cities. ..."

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo...structure-creates-big-challenges-for-recovery


Yup; tin shacks galore ...
 
reinoe said:
We should cut funding to the UN and use the money to help the Puerto Ricans.
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No but there's many place I would support cutting AID from. I'm definitely a believe in take care of our own first.
 
Barnacle said:
NPR -September 2017 - "... Well before this year's series of historically powerful hurricanes, Puerto Rico already had a notoriously fickle power supply and crushing debt — the power authority effectively declared bankruptcy in July. Power outages were routine, even in cities. ..."

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo...structure-creates-big-challenges-for-recovery


Yup; tin shacks galore ...
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Power outages are NOT the same as "no power available". There's a difference, ma'am. Power outages refers to the power going out every now and then...whereas no power available means NO power available because it can't be had at all.

And it seems that you didn't look closely at the picture in the article - there might have been a few tin roofs, but the great majority of those buildings had regular roofs.

Yup - you were ignorant...and looks like you're determined to remain ignorant.
 
Barnacle said:
NPR -September 2017 - "... Well before this year's series of historically powerful hurricanes, Puerto Rico already had a notoriously fickle power supply and crushing debt — the power authority effectively declared bankruptcy in July. Power outages were routine, even in cities. ..."

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo...structure-creates-big-challenges-for-recovery


Yup; tin shacks galore ...
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Come to think of it, if you'd Google around, you'd likely find that Puerto Rico was not that bad off before the hurricanes - yes, their economy was a mess (which is what happens when there's taxation without representation), but it certainly seems to have been in better shape than, say, the MS Delta not so far from where you live.
 
Glen Contrarian said:
No, it wasn't...and so much for your knowledge of America since you believe that Puerto Rico was just "tin shacks". You just showed how truly ignorant you are.
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I got a whole new branch of "in-laws" a little over a year ago ... first and second generation Puerto Ricans. I might just know more than you do about Puerto Rico ... ;)
 
Glen Contrarian said:
Apparently, your side wants to cut off funding to the UN, and use NONE of the money to help Puerto Rico.

And when it comes to the UN, one cannot be considered a world leader if one does not do one's part - e.g. spend taxpayer's money - to at least try to maintain peace and order in the world...and it's been successful so far, since from the mid 1990's, we are in the most peaceful such period (relative to population) in all recorded human history. But now that thanks to y'all, we've abdicated our role in world leadership, China is both capable and more than willing to take our place. Good job, y'all - hope you've taken your Mandarin lessons....
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The only thing the UN military is good for is raping children in Africa, spreading cholera in Haiti, enabling the slave trade in Libya, or pasively watching genocide take place in Rwanda. I assure you if there's worldwide peace taking place it would be in spite of the actions of the UN, not thanks to them.
 
Barnacle said:
I got a whole new branch of "in-laws" a little over a year ago ... first and second generation Puerto Ricans. I might just know more than you do about Puerto Rico ... ;)
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Did you also know that thanks to our federal government, the prices of almost everything - including food - are significantly higher than they need to be, since everything's required to be shipped from CONUS instead of from any of the neighboring islands? And are you aware that Trump's much-ballyhooed tax cut contains a provision that treats Puerto Rico as a foreign nation for tax purposes?

The advocates of the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act are promising savings of $1,182 a year for median households and the creation of 975,000 full time jobs in the states. But if Section 4303 of the bill is not amended to exclude Puerto Rico, 75,000 jobs to U.S. citizens could be lost. Congress has the responsibility to legislate on behalf of all U.S. citizens no matter whether they reside in the states, commonwealths or territories.

The U.S. tax code treats Puerto Rico as foreign for tax purposes. Since 1921 and until 2006, this has been used by Congress for Puerto Rico’s advantage through special tax provisions that fostered economic development. In 1996, Congress decided to end that special tax policy by legislating a 10-year phaseout of Section 936. By no coincidence, the recession in the island started in 2006 when the phaseout ended. Since then, we have been in a downward spiral and economic decline that led Congress to pass the Puerto Rico Oversight Management and Economic Act last year. Adding insult to injury, we were hit with a category five hurricane in September.

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The Republican tax bill has a provision in Section 4303 that imposes a new excise tax of 20 percent on goods manufactured by subsidiaries of U.S. corporations on foreign soil. Because Puerto Rico is treated as foreign under the U.S. tax code, this means that when a parent company buys from its subsidiary in Puerto Rico, it would have to pay the 20 percent excise tax on every purchase. Subsidiaries in the states are not subject to this, but the ones located in commonwealths or territories will be.

Seems your side is determined to make doggone sure that PR becomes a true third-world nation.
 
reinoe said:
The only thing the UN military is good for is raping children in Africa, spreading cholera in Haiti, enabling the slave trade in Libya, or pasively watching genocide take place in Rwanda. I assure you if there's worldwide peace taking place it would be in spite of the actions of the UN, not thanks to them.
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Then why is it that for nearly a quarter century, the world is more peaceful (relative to population) than at any other time in recorded human history?
 
Glen Contrarian said:
... Seems your side is determined to make doggone sure that PR becomes a true third-world nation.
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It has been a third-world nation; it didn't need our help for that "title". Mass exodus is not exactly the trade mark of a wealthy or "get by" nation. And that's before the hurricane hit.

A population of only about 3,5 million ...

And due largely to Puerto Rico’s economic crisis and persistently high unemployment, its residents have been leaving in large numbers in recent years.

"... Pew Research Center estimates that the Puerto Rican population peaked in 2004, and the territory lost 446,000 people between then and 2016, nearly 12 percent of the population. In 2015 alone, 89,000 Puerto Ricans left for the US mainland, and 64,238 of them have not returned. San Juan, the capital, lost about 10 percent of its population in the decade from 2005 to 2015. ..."

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/10/5/16403952/hurricane-maria-puerto-rico-migration
 
Barnacle said:
It has been a third-world nation; it didn't need our help for that "title". Mass exodus is not exactly the trade mark of a wealthy or "get by" nation. And that's before the hurricane hit.

A population of only about 3,5 million ...

And due largely to Puerto Rico’s economic crisis and persistently high unemployment, its residents have been leaving in large numbers in recent years.

"... Pew Research Center estimates that the Puerto Rican population peaked in 2004, and the territory lost 446,000 people between then and 2016, nearly 12 percent of the population. In 2015 alone, 89,000 Puerto Ricans left for the US mainland, and 64,238 of them have not returned. San Juan, the capital, lost about 10 percent of its population in the decade from 2005 to 2015. ..."

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/10/5/16403952/hurricane-maria-puerto-rico-migration
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And the Johnson Act that I linked to for you has played a big part in the harm to their economy. Like I said, that's what happens when there's taxation without representation.

But either way, that's - according to you - 3.5 million American citizens. Are we so craven a nation now that we would just ignore them and essentially leave them to rot? Frankly, if I were a Puerto Rican, I'd be agitating right now to leave America and become part of the British Commonwealth - at least they take national honor a bit more seriously than America presently does.
 
Glen Contrarian said:
And the Johnson Act that I linked to for you has played a big part in the harm to their economy. Like I said, that's what happens when there's taxation without representation.

But either way, that's - according to you - 3.5 million American citizens. Are we so craven a nation now that we would just ignore them and essentially leave them to rot? Frankly, if I were a Puerto Rican, I'd be agitating right now to leave America and become part of the British Commonwealth - at least they take national honor a bit more seriously than America presently does.
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Funny thing is ... Puerto Ricans are flooding the US mainland as we "speak" ... :lamo

Maybe they should listen to you. :lol:
 
Barnacle said:
Funny thing is ... Puerto Ricans are flooding the US mainland as we "speak" ... :lamo

Maybe they should listen to you. :lol:
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And why are they doing so? Because they can't do much of anything in PR (thanks to your side's cravenness - y'all gave Houston and Florida all the help they needed, but when it came to PR...not so much). But you know what? There's a silver lining for us Dems. Why? Because Florida's been decided by relatively thin margins almost every election since 2000...and almost every one of those U.S. citizens who are now becoming residents of Florida will remember who it was who refused to help them as he did Houston and Florida. Your side's inaction on PR is going to turn Florida blue...for a long, long time to come.
 
Nickyjo said:
This is too easy. Three seconds with google. $854 million came to the US post Katrina. Cuba (Cuba!) and Venezuela offered aid after a storm (Maria) last year. Mexican troops helped after Katrina. Did your homework for you.
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You also for example had all those countries that participated in the Afghanistan war after 9/11. There Denmark was the country that lost more soldiers per capita.

https://translate.google.se/transla...ister-flest-soldater-i-Afghanistan&edit-text=
 
Glen Contrarian said:
Then why is it that for nearly a quarter century, the world is more peaceful (relative to population) than at any other time in recorded human history?
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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...-syrias-afrin-has-begun-erdogan-idUSKBN1F90IH

Oh noes! One UN nation is engaging in military strikes against the people of another UN nation without express permission! I'm sure this is something the UN will look into as soon as they're done passing yet another anti-semetic resolution condemning Israel's rights to exist.
 
reinoe said:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...-syrias-afrin-has-begun-erdogan-idUSKBN1F90IH

Oh noes! One UN nation is engaging in military strikes against the people of another UN nation without express permission! I'm sure this is something the UN will look into as soon as they're done passing yet another anti-semetic resolution condemning Israel's rights to exist.
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And how many people did it kill? Look at what I said - "relative to population". I know this may cause you to fry a few brain cells, but if you kill 100 people out of a population of 500, it's a heck of a lot worse than killing 10,000 people out of 1,000,000. What is happening in that military strike is peanuts compared to what has happened in every single decade of recorded human history.
 
reinoe said:
We should cut funding to the UN and use the money to help the Puerto Ricans.
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Defunnding the UN is Putin's goal, that is why he went so far out of his way to put trump in ofice.
 
GDViking said:
Defunnding the UN is Putin's goal, that is why he went so far out of his way to put trump in ofice.
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What does Trump have to do with defunding the UN? There are something like 200 countries in the U.N. if one country cuts the funding then the others should pick up the slack. It's no big deal.
 
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