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Mueller is making Trump very nervous.

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Start counting the times each day that Trump proclaims his innocence, yet he has already "crawfished" on meeting with Mueller and is now trying to put "gag orders" on any of his staff or former staff that is being called to testify.

Very peculiar actions for an innocent man indeed. In fact, his actions are much more in line with a man that is very nervous about something.
 
Vetplus40 said:
Start counting the times each day that Trump proclaims his innocence, yet he has already "crawfished" on meeting with Mueller and is now trying to put "gag orders" on any of his staff or former staff that is being called to testify.

Very peculiar actions for an innocent man indeed. In fact, his actions are much more in line with a man that is very nervous about something.
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Trump should be nervous, lot's of us have said that he has not been nervous enough, THE HATCHET MAN is coming to get his scalp.....
 
Vetplus40 said:
Start counting the times each day that Trump proclaims his innocence, yet he has already "crawfished" on meeting with Mueller and is now trying to put "gag orders" on any of his staff or former staff that is being called to testify.

Very peculiar actions for an innocent man indeed. In fact, his actions are much more in line with a man that is very nervous about something.
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That would take time away from my counting of how many times a day you make a complain about Trump thread
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Trump should be nervous, lot's of us have said that he has not been nervous enough, THE HATCHET MAN is coming to get his scalp.....
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Mueller, a Republican supporter, was instructed to investigate Russian influence of the US election, which is accepted to have happened by every authority source. If the Russian meddling turns out to involve Trump or his team, then obviously that aspect should be investigated. The good of the nation comes before the good of Trump.
 
Crovax said:
That would take time away from my counting of how many times a day you make a complain about Trump thread
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Given that Trump is the gift of "Stupidity" that keeps on giving, he makes it pretty easy. All I have to do is post something that he says that is a lie, contradiction, miss-representation or some other foolishness, and I am guaranteed to make his Pavlov dog supporters salivate. That said, I'm just tickled to learn a Conservative can actually count something other than money or how many times they screwed somebody over. Now, if you folks can work on reading and basic retention (minus hypocrisy) that would be even better.
 
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Aristaeus said:
Mueller, a Republican supporter, was instructed to investigate Russian influence of the US election, which is accepted to have happened by every authority source. If the Russian meddling turns out to involve Trump or his team, then obviously that aspect should be investigated. The good of the nation comes before the good of Trump.
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Not according to the Trump supporters on this forum. They could care less about Russian interference as long as Trump was elected. They would sell this country out in a minute to get him a second term.

The interesting thing is that EVERY agency involved has determined that Russia interfered, except Trump himself. Care to guess how many administrative actions Trump has initiated to investigate Russian interference? ZERO.

The man is absolutely TERRIFIED to release his tax returns and admit anything about Russian interference (whether he benefitted from it or not). Again, very peculiar for somebody who screams "No collusion" multiple times a day.
 
Aristaeus said:
Mueller, a Republican supporter, was instructed to investigate Russian influence of the US election, which is accepted to have happened by every authority source. If the Russian meddling turns out to involve Trump or his team, then obviously that aspect should be investigated. The good of the nation comes before the good of Trump.
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There aint too many folks who care about what is best for the nation anymore, this is one of the more glaring failures of the FAILED INTELLIGENTSIA!, it was them who brung us. .
 
Ma and Pa Kettle made the difference in the election of Potus, in the three blue states in particular.


Ma and Pa Kettle Show Their Approved Voter Tags

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Some voters get tagged while other voters get bagged.


Reality is Ma and Pa Kettle are outnumbered. More so from here on out. They're also being outsmarted again and Trump knows it. Hence Trump's panicking.
 
Opinions, everyone got one.
 
Vetplus40 said:
Not according to the Trump supporters on this forum. They could care less about Russian interference as long as Trump was elected. They would sell this country out in a minute to get him a second term.

The interesting thing is that EVERY agency involved has determined that Russia interfered, except Trump himself. Care to guess how many administrative actions Trump has initiated to investigate Russian interference? ZERO.

The man is absolutely TERRIFIED to release his tax returns and admit anything about Russian interference (whether he benefitted from it or not). Again, very peculiar for somebody who screams "No collusion" multiple times a day.
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There is nothing truthful about any Russian Collusion or interference in our election..

Tax returns are not a mandatory requirement, and never have been..

The idea that 16 intelligence agency's think the Russians were involved is yet another left wing lie, and has been debunked as a lie...

The only person terrified is the ass hurt left wingers, still in disbelief that Middle America stood up and voted the left wing right out of offices clear across our land...
 
Sorry to bust up the circle-jerk in here, but you Trump haters are going to be pretty disappointed. The information we have thus far points to the idea that President Trump did "not" collude with the Russians. The few people that have been charged out of the Mueller investigation had nothing (or little) to do with what Mueller was supposed to be investigating, which was collusion with the Russian interference. Mueller went after Manafort for an election he ran decades ago in the Ukraine. Papadopoulos had a basic lying to the FBI charge, which doesn't advance the collusion narrative at all. Trump has not ruled out talking to Mueller, but why should he? Mueller has nothing on Trump, so it makes sense to decline the invitation. And about that "guilty plea", Papdopoulos got a great deal, so Mueller basically bribed him to plead guilty to a pretty mundane charge. I listen to Alan Dershowitz, a well-respected American lawyer most famous for defending OJ Simpson who donated to Hillary Clinton's campaign and is a Democrat. He has stated over and over that President Trump, given all the information that has come out, has done nothing illegal. Not even close.

General argument about collusion and legality of collusion on the Trump-Russia investigation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FgLwoyM-8Q
Nothing criminal on Russia investigation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZ5vKbPWu90
Special prosecutor should never have been called in the first place: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wV8vzYWj82M
Probe is too political: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3RVd-0mmvg
No case for obstruction against Trump: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XmmZjFCo4k
No Trump impeachment possible and collusion not criminal: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qz6_Y6-B6v8
Major Constitutional crisis in FBI shakeup: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WJAGZrpQS0
Trump Jr. did nothing illegal: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=me6PV1-HsXY

I mean, I can go on and on, but basically every aspect of this Trump-Russia narrative is false. There was no collusion, but even if there was, it wouldn't be illegal. Mueller has nothing.
 
We still don't know whether Putin or his oligarchs bought the Trumps' Deutsche Bank debt.

Mueller subpoenaed DB which said it responded in full and in a complete cooperation. It is also true the first thing a prosecutor does in a criminal investigation is get the tax filings of the perp. Mueller has a team in the Putin-Trump Laundromat working the dryers full time. Bannon is going in for a shave and a haircut. So we'll find this out along with a lot of other money stuff and high finance globally.

If Trump is clean on this then so be it. If not the fit will hit the shan.
 
atheist4thecaus said:
Sorry to bust up the circle-jerk in here, but you Trump haters are going to be pretty disappointed. The information we have thus far points to the idea that President Trump did "not" collude with the Russians. The few people that have been charged out of the Mueller investigation had nothing (or little) to do with what Mueller was supposed to be investigating, which was collusion with the Russian interference. Mueller went after Manafort for an election he ran decades ago in the Ukraine. Papadopoulos had a basic lying to the FBI charge, which doesn't advance the collusion narrative at all. Trump has not ruled out talking to Mueller, but why should he? Mueller has nothing on Trump, so it makes sense to decline the invitation. And about that "guilty plea", Papdopoulos got a great deal, so Mueller basically bribed him to plead guilty to a pretty mundane charge. I listen to Alan Dershowitz, a well-respected American lawyer most famous for defending OJ Simpson who donated to Hillary Clinton's campaign and is a Democrat. He has stated over and over that President Trump, given all the information that has come out, has done nothing illegal. Not even close.

General argument about collusion and legality of collusion on the Trump-Russia investigation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FgLwoyM-8Q
Nothing criminal on Russia investigation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZ5vKbPWu90
Special prosecutor should never have been called in the first place: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wV8vzYWj82M
Probe is too political: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3RVd-0mmvg
No case for obstruction against Trump: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XmmZjFCo4k
No Trump impeachment possible and collusion not criminal: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qz6_Y6-B6v8
Major Constitutional crisis in FBI shakeup: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WJAGZrpQS0
Trump Jr. did nothing illegal: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=me6PV1-HsXY

I mean, I can go on and on, but basically every aspect of this Trump-Russia narrative is false. There was no collusion, but even if there was, it wouldn't be illegal. Mueller has nothing.
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We've gone in a rapid sequence from Collusion to Conspiracy to Obstruction.

The Putin-Trump Right are meanwhile frozen in place on collusion. Frozen out of place in fact.

Rather than thawing youse risk breaking off and dropping straight on down.
 
Tangmo said:
We still don't know whether Putin or his oligarchs bought the Trumps' Deutsche Bank debt.

Mueller subpoenaed DB which said it responded in full and in a complete cooperation. It is also true the first thing a prosecutor does in a criminal investigation is get the tax filings of the perp. Mueller has a team in the Putin-Trump Laundromat working the dryers full time. Bannon is going in for a shave and a haircut. So we'll find this out along with a lot of other money stuff and high finance globally.

If Trump is clean on this then so be it. If not the fit will hit the shan.
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First of all, if it's something we don't know, I'm not going to assume the nefarious. I do think that how we got to this point matters, as well. Trump haters have been crying wolf about Trump-Russia collusion. They were wrong over and over and over. The arguments have morphed over and over and over. The confidence of Trump haters of something illegal having happened has dropped quite a bit, not only among the public, but also in the media. The responsible thing to do at this point is treat Trump as an innocent man innocent of these claims until there is some sort of hard evidence that something guilty. Experts like Alan Dershowitz have been warning us how political this is, Democrats have literally tried to impeach President Trump already, and it's about time people move on and accept the Democratically-elected President. If you don't like him, fight to beat him in 2020, but trying to find an excuse to impeach him is so unbelievably anti-Democratic and sets such a horrible precedent that it is completely irresponsible. People say that President Trump is a divider, but IMO, nobody has divided the country more than Democrats pushing this narrative that Trump did illegal stuff and should be impeached, going as far as to literally introduce articles of impeachment to the House floor. This is a total distraction, and Trump haters need to wake up. Why not win on policy ideas?
 
atheist4thecaus said:
First of all, if it's something we don't know, I'm not going to assume the nefarious. I do think that how we got to this point matters, as well. Trump haters have been crying wolf about Trump-Russia collusion. They were wrong over and over and over. The arguments have morphed over and over and over. The confidence of Trump haters of something illegal having happened has dropped quite a bit, not only among the public, but also in the media. The responsible thing to do at this point is treat Trump as an innocent man innocent of these claims until there is some sort of hard evidence that something guilty. Experts like Alan Dershowitz have been warning us how political this is, Democrats have literally tried to impeach President Trump already, and it's about time people move on and accept the Democratically-elected President. If you don't like him, fight to beat him in 2020, but trying to find an excuse to impeach him is so unbelievably anti-Democratic and sets such a horrible precedent that it is completely irresponsible. People say that President Trump is a divider, but IMO, nobody has divided the country more than Democrats pushing this narrative that Trump did illegal stuff and should be impeached, going as far as to literally introduce articles of impeachment to the House floor. This is a total distraction, and Trump haters need to wake up. Why not win on policy ideas?
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Damn good post, you should be proud. :2wave:

You hit the nail squarely on the head. :mrgreen:
 
atheist4thecaus said:
First of all, if it's something we don't know, I'm not going to assume the nefarious. I do think that how we got to this point matters, as well. Trump haters have been crying wolf about Trump-Russia collusion. They were wrong over and over and over. The arguments have morphed over and over and over. The confidence of Trump haters of something illegal having happened has dropped quite a bit, not only among the public, but also in the media. The responsible thing to do at this point is treat Trump as an innocent man innocent of these claims until there is some sort of hard evidence that something guilty. Experts like Alan Dershowitz have been warning us how political this is, Democrats have literally tried to impeach President Trump already, and it's about time people move on and accept the Democratically-elected President. If you don't like him, fight to beat him in 2020, but trying to find an excuse to impeach him is so unbelievably anti-Democratic and sets such a horrible precedent that it is completely irresponsible. People say that President Trump is a divider, but IMO, nobody has divided the country more than Democrats pushing this narrative that Trump did illegal stuff and should be impeached, going as far as to literally introduce articles of impeachment to the House floor. This is a total distraction, and Trump haters need to wake up. Why not win on policy ideas?
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The plea is nothing new.

Substitute Obama for Trump, Republicans for Democrats; ISIS for Russia and we have #44. As for Derschowitz virtually everyone knows he's a publicity whore cause it adds to his share of the take.

Confidence in Trump doing illegal things has increased from Collusion which is legal to Conspiracy and most recently to Obstruction. Yet I have to date rejected the word treason. I continue to reserve the right however.

Despite the worst efforts of Putin-Trump we continue to have confidence in the FBI and the agencies responsible for the national security. We have a greater appreciation and trust of 'em in fact, to include the grand jury and the judiciary itself. It's the Congress and the Office of Potus that have gone bust.

We survived the Cold War which had its hairy moments and we'll survive Putin-Trump which has its unique elements and factors. It is true besides that American Conservatives to include many Republicans have for a long time wanted the USA to be more like Putin's Russia than the other way around. That's always been a guaranteed fail.
 
Tangmo said:
The plea is nothing new.

Substitute Obama for Trump, Republicans for Democrats; ISIS for Russia and we have #44. As for Derschowitz virtually everyone knows he's a publicity whore cause it adds to his share of the take.

Confidence in Trump doing illegal things has increased from Collusion which is legal to Conspiracy and most recently to Obstruction. Yet I have to date rejected the word treason. I continue to reserve the right however.

Despite the worst efforts of Putin-Trump we continue to have confidence in the FBI and the agencies responsible for the national security. We have a greater appreciation and trust of 'em in fact, to include the grand jury and the judiciary itself. It's the Congress and the Office of Potus that have gone bust.

We survived the Cold War which had its hairy moments and we'll survive Putin-Trump which has its unique elements and factors. It is true besides that American Conservatives to include many Republicans have for a long time wanted the USA to be more like Putin's Russia than the other way around. That's always been a guaranteed fail.
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Man you just don't get the intent of the poster. There is not a story here, not Russian anything... Just partisan bull****.

You anti Trumpkins are dividing our nation, just as when Obama was President except it is like 5X the division there used to be...

It is pointless and harmful to our nation as a whole. You lost the election, sit down shut up, and plan for 2020. Other wise you need a pacifier to keep you mouth busy..
 
Blkdirt Farmer said:
Man you just don't get the intent of the poster. There is not a story here, not Russian anything... Just partisan bull****.

You anti Trumpkins are dividing our nation, just as when Obama was President except it is like 5X the division there used to be...

It is pointless and harmful to our nation as a whole. You lost the election, sit down shut up, and plan for 2020. Other wise you need a pacifier to keep you mouth busy..
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Never seen such a bunch of sore winners as this one.

The Putin-Trump right act like they're being cheated out of their swindlings. Hard earned but as obvious as they were.

I continue to support the FBI and the agencies responsible for the national sovereignty and security. The only criticism I have had about FBI for instance is that there are a lot of rightwingers in it. Turns out though they're almost all actual patriot right wingers. Which makes 'em my kind of rightwingers. It's the Putin-Trump rightwingers on the Right that FBI et all are pursuing. We also know the breadcrumbs trail leads to the big white house with the fountain out front. The Putin-Trump House. The one Putin bought.
 
I hope they video tape that Orange fat arse talking and giving testimony to Mueller.......my big decision is plain or theater butter popcorn. Benghazi that Conservatives. I loved it when a reporter asked Trump about Mueller asking him questions. From taking a forensic body language course in the 80's this guy is guilty as sin. He fits everything that the course pointed out about a guilty person during an interrogation. Especially the constant denial of collusion.

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Tangmo said:
Never seen such a bunch of sore winners as this one.

The Putin-Trump right act like they're being cheated out of their swindlings. Hard earned but as obvious as they were.

I continue to support the FBI and the agencies responsible for the national sovereignty and security. The only criticism I have had about FBI for instance is that there are a lot of rightwingers in it. Turns out though they're almost all actual patriot right wingers. Which makes 'em my kind of rightwingers. It's the Putin-Trump rightwingers on the Right that FBI et all are pursuing. We also know the breadcrumbs trail leads to the big white house with the fountain out front. The Putin-Trump House. The one Putin bought.
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Surely, something like this worries you in regards to the FBI, though, right: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/po...i-agent-russian-probe-over-anti-trump-n825926
How about this from an ex-CIA: https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/12/11/the-full-transcript-michael-morell-216061
"But in a revealingly self-critical and at times surprising interview for this week’s Global POLITICO, Morell acknowledges that he and other spy-world critics of the president failed to fully “think through” the negative backlash generated by their going political. “There was a significant downside,” Morell said in the interview."

Fraggle Rock said:
I hope they video tape that Orange fat arse talking and giving testimony to Mueller.......my big decision is plain or theater butter popcorn. Benghazi that Conservatives. I loved it when a reporter asked Trump about Mueller asking him questions. From taking a forensic body language course in the 80's this guy is guilty as sin. He fits everything that the course pointed out about a guilty person during an interrogation. Especially the constant denial of collusion.
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First of all, comparing Trump to someone in interrogation is faulty because Trump isn't in interrogation. Second of all, saying that the denial of collusion is evidence of him being guilty is ridiculous, because an innocent person would deny collusion. And that's to ignore that if there was collusion, according to Alan Dershowitz, that's not even a crime.
 
Vetplus40 said:
Start counting the times each day that Trump proclaims his innocence, yet he has already "crawfished" on meeting with Mueller and is now trying to put "gag orders" on any of his staff or former staff that is being called to testify.

Very peculiar actions for an innocent man indeed. In fact, his actions are much more in line with a man that is very nervous about something.
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I'm sure this time, this time for real you guys got him. :lol:
 
Fraggle Rock said:
I hope they video tape that Orange fat arse talking and giving testimony to Mueller.......my big decision is plain or theater butter popcorn. Benghazi that Conservatives. I loved it when a reporter asked Trump about Mueller asking him questions. From taking a forensic body language course in the 80's this guy is guilty as sin. He fits everything that the course pointed out about a guilty person during an interrogation. Especially the constant denial of collusion.

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I hope he is wearing his Depends ..........................
 
atheist4thecaus said:
Surely, something like this worries you in regards to the FBI, though, right: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/po...i-agent-russian-probe-over-anti-trump-n825926
How about this from an ex-CIA: https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/12/11/the-full-transcript-michael-morell-216061
"But in a revealingly self-critical and at times surprising interview for this week’s Global POLITICO, Morell acknowledges that he and other spy-world critics of the president failed to fully “think through” the negative backlash generated by their going political. “There was a significant downside,” Morell said in the interview."
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Muller reassigning Peter whatshisname for phone messaging some political stuff to a ladyfriend against Trump was addressed by Mueller who headed FBI for 12 years and who due to 9/11 turned FBI into a counter terrorism and counter intelligence agency. Mueller transformed FBI from catching bank robbers to protecting the homeland against foreign attackers -- which is where Putin comes in with his cyber warfare against democracy in the USA and the Constitution. And Trump of course.

And here's the significant quote by Morell in the roaming Politico piece you quote selectively from and linked thx.....


Morell, who grew up as a superstar CIA analyst and eventually graduated to become President George W. Bush’s personal daily intelligence briefer during the momentous events before and after the terrorist attack of Sept. 11, 2001, was also reflective about the costs of the massive shift in emphasis toward counterterrorism after that attack – in particular, a failure to focus on the threat posed by a resurgent Russia under President Vladimir Putin until it was arguably too late.

The Russian 2016 hacking, Morell told me, was in fact a U.S. “intelligence failure” in multiple ways. It was, he argued, at the least “a failure of imagination that’s not dissimilar to the failure of imagination that we had for 9/11,” with America’s spy agencies apparently unable to have conceived of social media platforms such as Facebook and Twitter and electronic hacking of Gmail being used to attack the country’s election.

But it was another kind of failure, too, Morell argued, of shifting money away from Russia and elsewhere in the name of fighting terrorism. “As we were trying to protect the country from terrorists,” he said, “we became more blind to what was going on in the rest of the world, both from a collection perspective and from an analytic perspective. And that was a cost…. When you make choices, you leave significant risk on the table.”


US Government failures leading up to 9/11 are well documented. US Government failures concerning Putin's cyber attacks against American democracy and the Constitution are only now being investigated and documented. Perps are being lined up accordingly and appropriately. The failures include social media such as Facebook and NRA as a private organization of rightwingers probably laundering Putin money to Trump. I reiterate, FBI is full of rightwingers but the vast majority of FBI who are rightwingers are patriots. They're my kind of rightwingers. This is in contrast to the common and ordinary rightwingers who are the Putin-Trump Dancing Fanboyz and Chorus Line.

I will say a hundred times more that American Conservatives have for a long time wanted the USA to be much much more like Putin's Russia than the other way around. Trump is youse Deliverance so youse are fierce, persistent and determined to prevent Your Moment passing without success. And it wasn't the stork who delivered Trump to youse wuzit.
 
atheist4thecaus said:
Sorry to bust up the circle-jerk in here, but you Trump haters are going to be pretty disappointed. The information we have thus far points to the idea that President Trump did "not" collude with the Russians. The few people that have been charged out of the Mueller investigation had nothing (or little) to do with what Mueller was supposed to be investigating, which was collusion with the Russian interference. Mueller went after Manafort for an election he ran decades ago in the Ukraine. Papadopoulos had a basic lying to the FBI charge, which doesn't advance the collusion narrative at all. Trump has not ruled out talking to Mueller, but why should he? Mueller has nothing on Trump, so it makes sense to decline the invitation. And about that "guilty plea", Papdopoulos got a great deal, so Mueller basically bribed him to plead guilty to a pretty mundane charge. I listen to Alan Dershowitz, a well-respected American lawyer most famous for defending OJ Simpson who donated to Hillary Clinton's campaign and is a Democrat. He has stated over and over that President Trump, given all the information that has come out, has done nothing illegal. Not even close.

General argument about collusion and legality of collusion on the Trump-Russia investigation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FgLwoyM-8Q
Nothing criminal on Russia investigation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZ5vKbPWu90
Special prosecutor should never have been called in the first place: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wV8vzYWj82M
Probe is too political: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3RVd-0mmvg
No case for obstruction against Trump: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XmmZjFCo4k
No Trump impeachment possible and collusion not criminal: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qz6_Y6-B6v8
Major Constitutional crisis in FBI shakeup: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WJAGZrpQS0
Trump Jr. did nothing illegal: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=me6PV1-HsXY

I mean, I can go on and on, but basically every aspect of this Trump-Russia narrative is false. There was no collusion, but even if there was, it wouldn't be illegal. Mueller has nothing.
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Good work--lots of good research--it's refreshing to see a poster here who does the homework...
But I have just one key issue with your treatise, and I'll express it with a question.
When have you ever known a prosecutor to show his/her cards before the trial?
In other words, how is it that you and others KNOW what Mueller has?
There have been HUNDREDS of hours of GJ testimony and FBI interviews, done in secret, and kept secret, yet you claim that "every aspect of this Trump-Russia narrative is false."
Huh?
 
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