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The Central Pak Five = The real Donald Trump.

To the 65% who have enough substance in their own lives not to be enamored with the bravado, wealth and power of a woefully flawed man, this is the DJT that we see.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ects-a-bigger-problem/?utm_term=.c271e0a9889e



After spending 6 to 13 years in prison, the Central Park Five were released based on DNA evidence not matching any of the five but clearly matching another unrelated person, who was arrested and charged. Still, Donald Trump disagreed and made such comments as:

“the heist of the century”, police “blunders”, “The recipients (of the $40M settlement) must be laughing out loud at the stupidity of the city.”. Trump wrote, “These young men do not exactly have the pasts of angels.” All these comments of Trump came out in 2014. All of the wrongly convicted youths, the convictions being a gross miscarriage of justice, were either Hispanic or black. If one cannot conclude from such disgraceful behavior of Trump as being racist, then nobody is a racist unless they declare themselves so. Nothing Trump has said or done as President is unusual compared to his past behavior.
 
Research is your friend.

Here is the 1989 Ad:

See Trump's Awesome 1989 "Bring Back the Death Penalty" Ad

https://www.frontpagemag.com/point/...89-bring-back-death-penalty-daniel-greenfield

Pay special attention to paragraph two which reads:

"Many New York families --White, Black, Hispanic and Asian-- have had to give up the pleasure of a leisurely stroll in the Park at dusk, the Saturday visit to the playground with their families, the bike ride at dawn, or just sitting on their stoops-- given them up as hostages to a world ruled by the law of the streets, as roving bands of wild criminals roam our neighborhoods dispensing their own vicious brand of twisted hatred on whomever they encounter."

How is his statement "racist," when the ad is about protecting everyone from roving gangs (race NOT specified) by bringing back harsher sentencing including the death penalty?

(BTW, I am not a supporter of the death penalty because we have yet to make certain that all those convicted are truly guilty; and until we do so...I support life imprisonment instead.)

Trump never called the $40 million settlement award to the Central Park Five "The heist of the Century," he was quoting one of the policemen involved in the case:

My opinion on the settlement of the Central Park Jogger case is that it’s a disgrace. A detective close to the case, and who has followed it since 1989, calls it “the heist of the century.”

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york...al-park-settlement-disgrace-article-1.1838467

The fact that Reyes, a convicted serial rapist serving a life sentence, confessed does not mean the five were either innocent of all participation in the attack, or innocent of other brutal assaults that occurred in Central Park. However, it does not mean they are guilty (they were convicted on the evidence they provided and was on their persons, but those convictions were later vacated after the DNA evidence supported Reye's confession of rape).

The 'Central Park Five’: Still Guilty. The facts versus the lies about the Central Park Jogger Case.
https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/238071/central-park-five-still-guilty-jack-kerwick

Thus it is not unreasonable for Trump and many other New Yorker's to still believe they were involved in at least the assault and battery of the victim if not that actual rape.

Your argument does not prove Trump is a racist, simply because he does not believe these "kids" were innocent of the crimes alleged.

Just saying...there is more to this case than meets the eye. :coffeepap:
 
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I do not think that Trump has ever apologized for his mistake in pre-judging these individuals. In fact, I cannot recall Trump ever apologizing for any of his numerous blunders.
 
I do not think that Trump has ever apologized for his mistake in pre-judging these individuals. In fact, I cannot recall Trump ever apologizing for any of his numerous blunders.

He does not need to apologize, if he still believe they are guilty of the crimes of assault and battery. As I point out, for those who do think they are guilty there is strong evidence supporting that belief. :shrug:

Just because people don't virtue signal your belief systems does not make them wrong and you right. :coffeepap:
 
I do not think that Trump has ever apologized for his mistake in pre-judging these individuals. In fact, I cannot recall Trump ever apologizing for any of his numerous blunders.

I never apologized for saying O.J. was the killer.

Big freaking deal.............................right?
 
I do not think that Trump has ever apologized for his mistake in pre-judging these individuals. In fact, I cannot recall Trump ever apologizing for any of his numerous blunders.

If he did, would you publicly give him credit for doing so?
No need to answer.
Some become obsessive in their hate of people they have never met with celebrity status.
The same way they also fall in love with them.
They are a phantom they can love or throw stones at all day safely.
 
The fact that Reyes, a convicted serial rapist serving a life sentence, confessed does not mean the five were either innocent of all participation in the attack

It also doesn't mean you were innocent of all participation in the attack.

It's hard to imagine how irrational you have to be to believe that a bunch of kids AND a convicted serial rapist were involved. Glad you're not a detective.
 
He does not need to apologize, if he still believe they are guilty of the crimes of assault and battery.
I might mean he needs to think carefully about his proposed changes to libel law though. :)
 
It also doesn't mean you were innocent of all participation in the attack.

It's hard to imagine how irrational you have to be to believe that a bunch of kids AND a convicted serial rapist were involved. Glad you're not a detective.

But not surprising at all. I just wonder how they will ever be able to straighten out after all the contortions they endure to protect their small handed orange cheeto of a leader. It must be stressful.
 
Captain Adverse; Just because people don't virtue signal your belief systems does not make them wrong and you right. :coffeepap:[/QUOTE said:
Nor does it make you right and them wrong....:)

Now, If I use your "illogical" logic in defending Trump, I can ALWAYS claim that I am right (based on my individual belief) regardless of the amount of evidence to the contrary. As such, I will never have to apologize to anyone for anything. Funny, this is EXACTLY how Trump operates.
Interesting viewpoint you have. It is total bull**** (much in the way Trump's is), but interesting nonetheless.
 
If he did, would you publicly give him credit for doing so?
No need to answer.
Some become obsessive in their hate of people they have never met with celebrity status.
The same way they also fall in love with them.
They are a phantom they can love or throw stones at all day safely.

Trump is simply a low class individual with money. He always has been and likely always will be.
 
It also doesn't mean you were innocent of all participation in the attack.

It's hard to imagine how irrational you have to be to believe that a bunch of kids AND a convicted serial rapist were involved. Glad you're not a detective.

Not hard at all.

The kids admitted they attacked the woman and beat her up badly.

The serial rapist could have been there too as a party to the assault, or come across her afterwards and took advantage of the situation to rape her. :shrug:

I might mean he needs to think carefully about his proposed changes to libel law though.

It is not libel when one speaks the truth.

The kids were convicted of the crimes based on the evidence of both their confessions and other physical evidence found on their persons. There was also evidence of other violent assaults they were party to which were not addressed by this trial. That evidence does not disappear simply because the case was vacated, any more than the evidence everyone uses to hold O.J. Simpson still "guilty" despite being found "not guilty" by a jury of his peers.

Apparently you did not bother to read the cited articles. :roll:

Nor does it make you right and them wrong....:)

Now, If I use your "illogical" logic in defending Trump, I can ALWAYS claim that I am right (based on my individual belief) regardless of the amount of evidence to the contrary. As such, I will never have to apologize to anyone for anything. Funny, this is EXACTLY how Trump operates.
Interesting viewpoint you have. It is total bull**** (much in the way Trump's is), but interesting nonetheless.

Interesting how you have no knowledge of logic, and that your arguments are ALWAYS based on emotion and other fallacies. :doh

My point was more a general observation, that your side always demands total acquiescence to your narrative on pain demonization based on moral outrage.

People can disagree without being evil don't you know? :coffeepap:
 
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It is not libel when one speaks the truth.
More to the point, the victim has to prove the statement was a deliberate and damaging lie. Trump has spoken about making it easier to bring libel cases though. He’s clearly thinking of statements about him in the national media the any changes would apply to statements he makes about other people too. It was just a throw-away comment really, just an interesting parallel that jumped to my mind.
 
Not hard at all.

The kids admitted they attacked the woman and beat her up badly.

The serial rapist could have been there too as a party to the assault, or come across her afterwards and took advantage of the situation to rape her. :shrug:

I used to believe that nobody would confess to something they didn't do. But then I read a lot aboiut the subject. It's just a fact that people do. Maybe they're weak minded or whatever. But it's just a proven fact that some people if interrogated for too long will confess to things they didn't do.

Here you have a bunch of kids. It's pretty easy to get kids to confess to anything if you terrify them and interrogate them.

You are familiar with Occam's Razor, right? It says that if there are two explanations the simplest one is usually better.

What's the simplest explantion:

1. The jogger was raped by the serial rapist whose DNA was found on her.

2. The jogger was raped by a serial rapist and a gang of delinquent kids.


Astonishingly, more than 1 out of 4 people wrongfully convicted but later exonerated by DNA evidence made a false confession or incriminating statement.

Why do innocent people confess?

The reasons that people falsely confess are complex and varied, but what they tend to have in common is a belief that complying with the police by saying that they committed the crime in question will be more beneficial than continuing to maintain their innocence.

False Confessions or Admissions

 
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I do not think that Trump has ever apologized for his mistake in pre-judging these individuals. In fact, I cannot recall Trump ever apologizing for any of his numerous blunders.

An honest man with his tongue always wagging in public would at least admit he was wrong. Not so much an apology, as an admission that he was wrong.

The racists I know, and there are a few of them, ACTUALLY BELIEVE that their feelings of superiority are valid and right. The thought never crosses their mind that they are wrong. Trump fits into that profile.

He mentions blacks and other races in his ad as a form of window dressing, meant to make his racist undercurrent more palatable to those easily fooled.
 
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