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Obama's use of curse words [W:117]

Re: Obama's use of curse words

sh**hole is an insult. Period.

If the French president called America a sh**hole, would you be offended? Would you accept his claim that he's just criticizing your government and not insulting you?

Please stop making a fool of yourself.

Were you offended when Lindsay Graham called Mexico a hell hole? And that we couldn't take in all the people from all the hell holes that are out there?

And he did it in open session and in front of a camera, not in closed session in which people were encouraged to speak openly and frankly and then some betrayed the President by reporting it outside the meeting. Now THAT was despicable.

I hear America called all kinds of terrible names all the time and I can't say it bothers me. When it comes from a governmental leader, it does affect the degree of sympathy or concern that I might have felt for that country. It is sort of like you being personally insulting in your post doesn't bother me. But such personal insults diminish a person as being thoughtful and diminishes any argument he/she might have as just another ugly rant from somebody reciting assigned talking points and who couldn't objectively defend their argument if they had to. But oh well.
 
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Why are you bugging me. post something on the topic or stop quoting me. Why do you so desperately crave negative attention? Your first post was an ad hom if you are incapable of seeing that, you have problems.

Why do you continue to avoid responding to the points I made. Maybe you did not know, but the thread topic is not me.
 
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Why are you bugging me. post something on the topic or stop quoting me. Why do you so desperately crave negative attention? Your first post was an ad hom if you are incapable of seeing that, you have problems.
Dude, you keep responding to her even though you said you're not interested in a conversation.

Just stop responding and use the ignore button, problem solved.
 
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President Trump needs to watch his language because Durbin is a loud mouth idiot?

I know you don't see the problem with that, but I can never understand why.

If Trump was not a loud mouth idiot there would have been no issue
 
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If Trump was not a loud mouth idiot there would have been no issue

Trump has proven to be politically brilliant, and I suggest that you dont expect leaders of rebellions to be timid.
 
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Why do you continue to avoid responding to the points I made. Maybe you did not know, but the thread topic is not me.


I'm not making it about you. I have no desire to even talk to you.

Go away now. Lol
 
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Dude, you keep responding to her even though you said you're not interested in a conversation.

Just stop responding and use the ignore button, problem solved.

Mind your own business.


Redress is a he.
 
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I'm not making it about you. I have no desire to even talk to you.

Go away now. Lol

SO still no response to the point made. What are you afraid of? How well does it work to give orders to people who have no need to obey?
 
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SO still no response to the point made. What are you afraid of? How well does it work to give orders to people who have no need to obey?


How does it feel to give orders to people who have no need to obey?

Well for one I dont feel like a special protected forum snowflake to be honest.

Thanks for asking.


Im not sure what you want me to retort to, you havent posted anything on topic
 
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In this episode, you can hear obama talk about how they curse, and use foul language in meetings. I know some of you are over sensetive to the idea of trump using foul language. perhaps hearing that one of your idols do it while suggesting many world leaders are insane will give you guys some peace.

I don't trust people who won't curse. Those are the folks with the bodies in the basement.
 
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How does it feel to give orders to people who have no need to obey?

Well for one I dont feel like a special protected forum snowflake to be honest.

Thanks for asking.


Im not sure what you want me to retort to, you havent posted anything on topic

Do you have anything other than insults and tears? Are you going to respond to the point in my very first post in this thread, that you have tried to divert from?
 
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Do you have anything other than insults and tears? Are you going to respond to the point in my very first post in this thread, that you have tried to divert from?




Sure why not...

Trump supporter deflection plan:

1: fake news, didn't happen
2: well, maybe it did happen, but no one cares
3: ...but Obama/Clinton!!! <~you are here
4: ???
5: profit




What a dumnb post by one of the biggest resident partisan hacks. I mean really. The idea that one can't compare this president with the previous one to put a context to an argument is bad, is an anti-intellectual position and a sophomoric attempt to not discuss the topic. I find posters who do this to be a bore, not very intellectually interesting and generally not people who add value to a discussion.

Your "lists" is dismissive garbage used by partisan hacks to avoid discussing a topic civilly. I mean not only is it dumb, it highly hypopcritical of you dependent class leftist types who like the previous president blamed all bad things on Bush. I find your ease of not making an intelligent argument disturbing. You can see how you were unable to even complete your thought at #4 and wtf is "profit" for #5. you literally tried to make a list, lost your train of thought and started babbling. It's laughable.

LEts look at how much of a hypocrite you are being here, shall we?


You guys have some major problems with ODS. Hint: this thread is about Bush. It related to Obama not at all.

Well, calling a president who is not the worst for food stamps, and who has increasing numbers because of a recession he inherited, and because of a program he inherited, that would be kinda silly. Since those call for comparisons, then yes, referring to Bush was a key part of the point. Saying Bush is no longer president in no way refutres anything I said and is just a diversion.

Did you know that Bush was in touch with the Pentagon before the attacks on the day of 9/11? Therefore he must have claimed it. Your love of terrorist attacks is not touching, but interesting.

So you going to document your claims? The meeting you claimed happened for instance?




I mean there are hundreds of examples of you doing what you are throwing a tantrum over.



So now that I answered your dumb post, can you dry your eyes please?
 
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But such personal insults diminish a person as being thoughtful and diminishes any argument he/she might have as just another ugly rant from somebody reciting assigned talking points and who couldn't objectively defend their argument if they had to. But oh well.

But you're not objectively able to defend YOUR argument.

Fact: Sh**hole is an insult. It's not a description or assessment.

Was Lindsay Graham president when he said hellhole? No.

Why can't you guys admit that what the president said was wrong? It's wrong to insult poor people. It's unbecoming of the office. And Trump lying about what he said is even worse.
 
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But you're not objectively able to defend YOUR argument.

Fact: Sh**hole is an insult. It's not a description or assessment.

Was Lindsay Graham president when he said hellhole? No.

Why can't you guys admit that what the president said was wrong? It's wrong to insult poor people. It's unbecoming of the office. And Trump lying about what he said is even worse.



so it's not wrong until you reach POTUS? is that really your argument?
 
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Folks, I'm going to give everyone the benefit of the doubt and drop this as an in-thread warning.

I understand this is a subject about a curse word. None the less, our word censor rules are still in place. STOP BYPASSING THE CENSOR. Type the word out in full and let the word censor do it's job. Any continued bypass in this thread will result in points
 
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Sure why not...






What a dumnb post by one of the biggest resident partisan hacks. I mean really. The idea that one can't compare this president with the previous one to put a context to an argument is bad, is an anti-intellectual position and a sophomoric attempt to not discuss the topic. I find posters who do this to be a bore, not very intellectually interesting and generally not people who add value to a discussion.

Your "lists" is dismissive garbage used by partisan hacks to avoid discussing a topic civilly. I mean not only is it dumb, it highly hypopcritical of you dependent class leftist types who like the previous president blamed all bad things on Bush. I find your ease of not making an intelligent argument disturbing. You can see how you were unable to even complete your thought at #4 and wtf is "profit" for #5. you literally tried to make a list, lost your train of thought and started babbling. It's laughable.

No one claimed you could not make comparisons. Why the need to make **** up?

LEts look at how much of a hypocrite you are being here, shall we?













I mean there are hundreds of examples of you doing what you are throwing a tantrum over.



So now that I answered your dumb post, can you dry your eyes please?

You keep using that word, hypocrite, I do not think you know what it means. Hypocrisy would be namecalling while bemoaning the lack of civility.
 
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No one claimed you could not make comparisons. Why the need to make **** up?



You keep using that word, hypocrite, I do not think you know what it means. Hypocrisy would be namecalling while bemoaning the lack of civility.





So I respond to your on post topic and you do nothing but whine at me. See I told you it was a waste of time. Thanks for proving it. Run along now, 'dress.
 
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But you're not objectively able to defend YOUR argument.

Fact: Sh**hole is an insult. It's not a description or assessment.

Was Lindsay Graham president when he said hellhole? No.

Why can't you guys admit that what the president said was wrong? It's wrong to insult poor people. It's unbecoming of the office. And Trump lying about what he said is even worse.

If saying a bad word is wrong, there are few people on Earth who have not been wrong and I'm pretty sure no President of the United States, including the Democratic ones, have not done so. And Lindsay Graham said it publicly and deliberately on open mic. The President did not.

What is unbecoming is the hateful leftwing spin that the word was directed at the race of the PEOPLE of a country. It wasn't. It was directed at the country itself. And it was accurate in describing that country and others like it.

And it was posed as a question within the larger context of the lottery system which any honest normal person thinks should be seriously questioned. Immigration from Haiti had been mentioned, and, assuming he was quoted accurately, within that context, he said why do we want more people from these (expletive) little countries? Why not people with skills and abilities who can contribute to America like say Norway? (pulling a country out of thin air.) There is no proof or indication of any kind that the race of the people were involved in any way.

Norway is often held up as the paragon of the best that a country can be. Haiti is consistently among the top 10 most corrupt, worst places in the world to live. Using it as a comparison to Haiti was reasonable within the context of a discussion on the lottery system and had nothing to do with race.

Now THAT is what the national conversation should be about in the wake of that meeting. But no. The small minded, hateful, dishonest, petty take it completely out of context and make it about the President saying a bad word about a people in a country that happen to be mostly black. A word said in an closed meeting in which all were encouraged to be candid and speak their mind.

To do that to the President or any other person is unbecoming. Wrong. Disgraceful. Immoral. Hateful. And for the critics to immediately see Norway as WHITE and Haiti as BLACK is in and of itself racist.
 
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This thread is a perfect example of why we can't have nice things.





Nobody gives a **** about the word "****hole". Seems like Rev and anyone vaguely in agreement is deliberately ignoring the fact (more likely, lying about it) that Trump also specified Africa as an example of a source of the "****hole" countries he doesn't want immigrants from, then cited Norway (rich and white) as an example of a country he does want immigrants from.

Despite all the brave efforts certain posters have put into not getting the point, Trump's message was clear: he doesn't want poor brown people here, he wants well-to-do white people here.

Naturally, that's the complete opposite of everything America has stood for to date. Naturally, Trump supporters and defenders love it.
 
Re: Obama's use of curse words

This thread is a perfect example of why we can't have nice things.





Nobody gives a **** about the word "****hole". Seems like Rev and anyone vaguely in agreement is deliberately ignoring the fact (more likely, lying about it) that Trump also specified Africa as an example of a source of the "****hole" countries he doesn't want immigrants from, then cited Norway (rich and white) as an example of a country he does want immigrants from.

Despite all the brave efforts certain posters have put into not getting the point, Trump's message was clear: he doesn't want poor brown people here, he wants well-to-do white people here.

Naturally, that's the complete opposite of everything America has stood for to date. Naturally, Trump supporters and defenders love it.

It isn't clear to me, but the President's critics who immediately saw Norway as WHITE and Haiti or African countries as BLACK might have a hard explaining why their observations are not racist in and of themselves.

Not that I expect anybody who hates the President to care or even think about a possibility other than the President is racist, but. . .

Here is what I believe to be the truth in the President's use of a bad word:

1. The meeting was in closed session, without press, and was supposed to be an opportunity for everybody to speak their mind openly, candidly, and without worry about how the press would spin it.

2. The discussion at the time of the expletive was about the U.S. immigration lottery system and how it results in America taking in more and more people who require more in social services, etc. than they will contribute instead of artisan, medical professionals, educators, scientists, engineers, craftsmen, etc. who can support themselves and will contribute to America instead of draining more of its resources. Every other successful country only accepts immigrants who can and will support themselves.

3. Norway is frequently held up as the paragon of the best that a country should be. It usually heads the list of the best countries to live. Haiti is consistently listed among the top ten most corrupt, the very worst countries in which to live. The lists aren't racist. They are simply fact. The context of the discussion at the time of the expletive included Haiti specifically.

4. Within THAT CONTEXT of the lottery system and Haiti and other countries on the worst places to live list being mentioned, the President, assuming he was quoted accurately, asked as a question why do we want people from these (expletive) little countries? Why not Norway? It was a logical comparison to make and had nothing to do with race. It was a completely logical question to ask.

5. But because Dick Durban came out of the meeting and dishonestly reported what happened totally out of context, the media was more than happy to take one statement out of context of the actual discussion and dishonestly report it over and over and over and over again as the President saying something racist that I know with absolute certainty in my heart he neither said nor intended.

And my comment on all that:
Dick Durban is an (expletive) to betray the President's trust that way. Lindsay Graham too. And I believe only the intellectually dishonest, petty, and hateful would repeat it as Durban reported it and make absolutely no effort to put it into the context in which it was said. And if they themselves have never used an expletive to describe something in a private conversation, they are blatant hypocrites to boot.

That is not spin. It is most likely the truth about what happened. Those who are not hypocrites will acknowledge that had the same thing happened but President Obama made the remark, it would have been reported as I have outlined it.
 
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