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Immigrant deported after 30 years

justabubba said:
the issue is NOT about the war on pot
it is about the deportee knowingly committing a felony while a legal resident alien
that violation of our immigration laws caused him to no longer be found legally eligible to reside in the USA
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He knowingly plead guilty. That’s not the same as knowingly committed a felony.
 
SheWolf said:
He had weed, nothing major like hillbilly heroine. But dear Trump wants to help those suffering from the opiate crisis. Why shouldn't we criminalize all those hicks too? The bias and exploitation in this situation is obvious.
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He plead guilty to a charge involving weed. You don't know what he actually did.

Most people are offered a lower charge to plead to in order to close the case.
 
Threegoofs said:
The actual court case was posted earlier in the thread.

It sounds like the guy did a plea deal for weed which might have been a state felony (but a federal misdemeanor - and we don’t know if he was actually convicted of a felony) and fined $1000 which included court costs...not a real risk to the country, I think.
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It is good that it is not up to you who the government deports.
 
justabubba said:
yep, weed
not like he knew moving weight was a major violation of US law
he's such an innocent victim. not even a driving citation
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It sounds to me like the fact that weed was involved is the reason that people think this man should not be deported.

Even if weed was legal in all 50 states and federally, if the man tried the same thing, he still would be deported.

Moving contraband is moving contraband no matter what that contraband is.

It is really not hard to understand.
 
Mason66 said:
He plead guilty to a charge involving weed. You don't know what he actually did.

Most people are offered a lower charge to plead to in order to close the case.
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And given competent counsel, no one would plead guilty to an offense that would deport them that was so minor the fine was a few hundred dollars.
 
Helix said:
you didn't do my homework. someone made a claim, and i asked for a link. he had pot? if true, meh. it will probably be as legal as beer in 20 years. i don't support deporting Hispanics for weed any more than i support deporting a college kid back to Europe when the RA finds a J in his desk drawer.
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Even after legalization if he tried the same thing, he would still be deported.

There will always be a black marker for drugs and people like this man will always try to take advantage of that.
 
Threegoofs said:
And given competent counsel, no one would plead guilty to an offense that would deport them that was so minor the fine was a few hundred dollars.
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If anything you have said in this thread was true, that would have been brought up at his many appeals. Her was still ordered to be deported.
 
Helix said:
he's married to an American. if you support failed pot prohibition, send him to jail. i don't.
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what does being married to an American have to do with being deported for being an ineligible resident alien


deportation - not jail - is the prescription for dealing with illegal aliens having a felony record for drug dealing
 
Mason66 said:
It is only an important point to you. It was not an important point to the appeals court.
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So now that you find out the story, you dismiss it.

Why not just save the time and tell me you don’t really care about factual information?
 
Threegoofs said:
He knowingly plead guilty. That’s not the same as knowingly committed a felony.
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he spent $125000 and his attorney failed to notify him of the pending charges and the potential record for being adjudged guilty of those charges

then he was too dim to hire a smart lawyer. we need to allow smart, skilled, people with good character to relocate here from other lands. get rid of the stupid and crooks. appears they did both in this instance
 
Threegoofs said:
So now that you find out the story, you dismiss it.

Why not just save the time and tell me you don’t really care about factual information?
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Dismiss what?

It was hashed out in appeals court. The man did not win, even though you think he should have.

The way the man could have won for inept counsel, is if the underlying charges were not true and the bad advice would have made some kind of difference.

You are also ignoring the fact that the man was specifically asked in sentencing if he knew pleading to this charge would get him deported. He said yes. He could have stopped the proceedings right there.

What bad advice do you think the man receive that would change the outcome of this case?
 
Mason66 said:
It sounds to me like the fact that weed was involved is the reason that people think this man should not be deported.

Even if weed was legal in all 50 states and federally, if the man tried the same thing, he still would be deported.

Moving contraband is moving contraband no matter what that contraband is.

It is really not hard to understand.
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first, one has to be willing to understand it
 
justabubba said:
he spent $125000 and his attorney failed to notify him of the pending charges and the potential record for being adjudged guilty of those charges

then he was too dim to hire a smart lawyer. we need to allow smart, skilled, people with good character to relocate here from other lands. get rid of the stupid and crooks. appears they did both in this instance
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I’m sure he will vet his attorneys properly next time.

Maybe the original lawyer will get deported. Then we can all rejoice.

In the meantime, it’s great to know that the punishment for hiring incompetent counsel is permanent deportation and depriving your US citizen wife and kids of a husband and father.

I feel safer!
 
Mycroft said:
You can take it however you want. But how you take very well could be wrong.

Don't blame me if you are.
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Man you'll do anything to avoid the issue.

On another thread we are subjected to post after post demanding a specific definition of "public spectacle" as if that's needed for anyone past grade 3, in order to avoid giving a specific answer. And here you deliberately avoid explaining YOURSELF....

...at least its humorous, but there was a day I respected you
 
Fearandloathing said:
Man you'll do anything to avoid the issue.

On another thread we are subjected to post after post demanding a specific definition of "public spectacle" as if that's needed for anyone past grade 3, in order to avoid giving a specific answer. And here you deliberately avoid explaining YOURSELF....

...at least its humorous, but there was a day I respected you
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On that other thread, I haven't subjected YOU to anything, though you did insert yourself into a conversation I was having with another member...a conversation in which I repeatedly asked him what he meant by public spectacle. If I remember correctly, I responded to your input into that conversation.

In any case, I'm here to give my thoughts as I see fit. If you or anyone else don't like that...well, all you can do is piss and moan about it, right? You've certainly started doing that here.
 
jonny5 said:
I dont know about Trump supporters either, but I think drug trafficking shouldnt be a felony, and therefore people shouldnt be deported. The fact this guy is here illegally should get him deported, 30 years ago. 30 years later is too late. Thats the real issue here, not this guy, but 30 years from now, when we're right back here doing the same thing again. We can not let this guy skirt the law until we FIX the law to stop it from happening again.
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It's always blame the victim in America. Black kid is shot by a cop and even when it's determined to be manslaughter in a court of law, half the country will believe he deserved what he got and will create sometimes incredibly complex reasons why.

Here, many assume he is getting what HE deserved because his parents brought him here illegally and HE never "bothered" to make his situation legal.

With that, I have yet to see ANYONE making this claim explain how he would go about it. Nor has anyone paused to think why he would? For 30 years it has been the practice of the United States to ignore the entire situation, why would he come forward when NO ONE was even asking him to.

Further, we have a young man, wife and family working as a landscaper. Where would he get the resources to launch a bid to become legal, since he'd have to fight his way through the courts.

So to blame, it is A), the system that allowed his parents into the country and allowed them to stay (and that's just economics, the US has always relied on cheap labor from illegals), is it B) Is it the government for failing to enforce the laws for three decades, C) politicians who have used he and thousands like him as a political football or D) a guy who inherited his illegal status and never got the resources to become legal, and likely thought he was legal?
 
Mycroft said:
On that other thread, I haven't subjected YOU to anything, though you did insert yourself into a conversation I was having with another member...a conversation in which I repeatedly asked him what he meant by public spectacle. If I remember correctly, I responded to your input into that conversation.

In any case, I'm here to give my thoughts as I see fit. If you or anyone else don't like that...well, all you can do is piss and moan about it, right? You've certainly started doing that here.
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Oh, please.

Now you're whining.

Just answer a ****ing question once in a while.
 
Fearandloathing said:
Oh, please.

Now you're whining.

Just answer a ****ing question once in a while.
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Oh...now you are making demands. LOL!!

I expect you'll play a card or two next, won't you?
 
Mason66 said:
Even after legalization if he tried the same thing, he would still be deported.

There will always be a black marker for drugs and people like this man will always try to take advantage of that.
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i don't want to see a pot smoker deported any more than i want to see a beer drinker deported.
 
justabubba said:
what does being married to an American have to do with being deported for being an ineligible resident alien


deportation - not jail - is the prescription for dealing with illegal aliens having a felony record for drug dealing
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if you're married to a US citizen, you shouldn't have to worry about deportation.
 
Threegoofs said:
So now that you find out the story, you dismiss it.

Why not just save the time and tell me you don’t really care about factual information?
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Why don't you go back and look at how many posts you spent in this thread trying to argue that this guy was not a felon and then you can start taking about who cares about factual information.
 
Threegoofs said:
I’m sure he will vet his attorneys properly next time.

Maybe the original lawyer will get deported. Then we can all rejoice.

In the meantime, it’s great to know that the punishment for hiring incompetent counsel is permanent deportation and depriving your US citizen wife and kids of a husband and father.

I feel safer!
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Talk about simply making crap. Maybe you should just stick to the facts and stop guessing as to what went on.
 
braindrain said:
Why don't you go back and look at how many posts you spent in this thread trying to argue that this guy was not a felon and then you can start taking about who cares about factual information.
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You don’t know if he’s a felon! How many felons get penalized with a small fine alone? The appeals court didn’t clarify his status.
 
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