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Immigrant deported after 30 years

SheWolf said:
There isn't any way of changing the status that I know of. Once you start the process, you'll raise a lot of red flags and people don't trust the system for obvious reasons. The majority of illegals I know are young women from the former USSR, and they tend to be at risk of being exploited.
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If he wanted to change his status, he would have found a way...even if it means going back to Mexico and getting in line.

His choice...his consequences.
 
SheWolf said:
He definitely wasn't a terrorist. He was a working father among other things, but I guess none of that matters to Trump supporters, which is why I will never trust you people with a Muslim ban. You don't care about anybody but yourselves.
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Ummmmmmmmmmm. We weren't even talking about a Muslim ban. This guy was not a Mexican Muslim. In fact, this guy has been fighting this all through the Obama administration. Got your panties in a wad tonight? You need to get off or your soapbox and pay more attention to what we are talking about.
 
Mr Person said:
He was taking valuable benefits that a wretched meth addict living in the woods behind a trailer park could have used.
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We should deport all meth addicts.
 
SheWolf said:
If you're a Trump suppprter, I am pretty sure you're a minority. Trump kicked off his campaign saying Mexico wasn't sending their best, and they are sending rapists, crime, and drugs. I am not at all surprised Trump policies has lead to such a man being deported and his supporters like it.
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you might be surprised. Many on my side are frustrated from years of political ineptness from both parties on immigration. If a reasonable compromise were presented where we didn't get more meaningless promises that could be broken later, I think you would see more compassion. There's just so much anger and distrust right now that you're going to see a lot of over the top rhetoric.
 
Mycroft said:
If he wanted to change his status, he would have found a way...even if it means going back to Mexico and getting in line.

His choice...his consequences.
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He should still be able to do that, right? Might take a while, but he could re enter legally.
 
Lovebug said:
He should still be able to do that, right? Might take a while, but he could re enter legally.
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Not anymore. He’s banned from the US for at least ten years. And his wife and kids are US citizens.

But hey- he was told by a lawyer to plead guilty to a crime that resulted in a $1000 fine... so he deserved it!

Too bad for those scumbag kids, amirite?
 
Threegoofs said:
Not anymore. He’s banned from the US for at least ten years. And his wife and kids are US citizens.

But hey- he was told by a lawyer to plead guilty to a crime that resulted in a $1000 fine... so he deserved it!

Too bad for those scumbag kids, amirite?
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Do you know what he was told by a lawyer? Or why? Other than a general intent to distribute plea. I haven't seen much on the subject.
 
Lovebug said:
He should still be able to do that, right? Might take a while, but he could re enter legally.
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I don't know the rules. Maybe. For his sake and the sake of his family, I hope so.

But, if he returns illegally...gets caught and deported again...I have no sympathy for him.
 
Threegoofs said:
Not anymore. He’s banned from the US for at least ten years. And his wife and kids are US citizens.

But hey- he was told by a lawyer to plead guilty to a crime that resulted in a $1000 fine... so he deserved it!

Too bad for those scumbag kids, amirite?
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If You are going to argue children’s interest we could never prosecute anyone because of the effect on kids. I think his kids will benefit, they’re about to learn from their father that being an illegal alien drug dealer is illegal and they should consider different life choices.

I love how the argument of yours has shifted

He’s innocent—> well that’s a fake document—-> well he didn’t plead guilty to a felony——-> the Michigan state legislature knows less then me about which of their criminal code is actually a felony —-> his lawyer told him to take the plea, therefore he shouldn’t get deported for being a felon —> THINK OF THE CHILDREN

The evolution of a pro illegal alien argument folks
 
SheWolf said:
Most people in his situation don't trust the system. He would have been safer to go back to Mexico and apply at an embassy. It could have triggered a lot of issues, so there is no easy bet.

Discussing a pathway to citizenship is a worthwhile discussion.
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No it’s not, the instant any realistic amnesty plan is put forward the border will be flooded with illegal aliens looking to be present in the country when it is passed. Any amnesty plan must require the illegal come to US authorities, confess and immediately depart and file their applications in their home countries, that is a compromise
 
EMNofSeattle said:
If You are going to argue children’s interest we could never prosecute anyone because of the effect on kids. I think his kids will benefit, they’re about to learn from their father that being an illegal alien drug dealer is illegal and they should consider different life choices.

I love how the argument of yours has shifted

He’s innocent—> well that’s a fake document—-> well he didn’t plead guilty to a felony——-> the Michigan state legislature knows less then me about which of their criminal code is actually a felony —-> his lawyer told him to take the plea, therefore he shouldn’t get deported for being a felon —> THINK OF THE CHILDREN

The evolution of a pro illegal alien argument folks
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That’s about the worst characterization of my position possible.

But I guess that’s about par for someone who dismisses child welfare in any matter of justice.

Children or not, the punishment seems ludicrous to me. And I’m pretty sure it would be ludicrous to you if it happened to someone you know. But that requires empathy, which seems to be in short supply in this thread.
 
Threegoofs said:
That’s about the worst characterization of my position possible.

But I guess that’s about par for someone who dismisses child welfare in any matter of justice.

Children or not, the punishment seems ludicrous to me. And I’m pretty sure it would be ludicrous to you if it happened to someone you know. But that requires empathy, which seems to be in short supply in this thread.
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Well since I don’t hang out with people who violate drug and immigration laws how I would feel is a moot argument
 
EMNofSeattle said:
Well since I don’t hang out with people who violate drug and immigration laws how I would feel is a moot argument
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But your lack of empathy is noted.

But, I imagine when an injustice is done to you, the whining is deafening. That’s usually the pattern.
 
Threegoofs said:
But your lack of empathy is noted.

But, I imagine when an injustice is done to you, the whining is deafening. That’s usually the pattern.
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Yep. It's not about the fact that the executive can do whatever he wants regarding deportation. He can. It's about empathy. Or, in Trump's case, and that of his supporters, the lack thereof.
 
Threegoofs said:
But your lack of empathy is noted.

But, I imagine when an injustice is done to you, the whining is deafening. That’s usually the pattern.
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Well, playing the "Think of the children!!" card didn't work. Now you are playing the "guilt" card.

Will you ever run out of cards?
 
calamity said:
Yep. It's not about the fact that the executive can do whatever he wants regarding deportation. He can. It's about empathy. Or, in Trump's case, and that of his supporters, the lack thereof.
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Somehow I don't think we have heard the last of it. Could be setting an example for "see what we can do", "get your act together".
I guess we can agree that the man had ample chances to change his immigration status. The dope charges are minor, but, until pot is legal in all 50 states...
Having said that, I think that he could have been given some sort of fine or punishment other than deportation, putting him on probation. Compromise. Don't let them off the hook but don't be cruel.
 
Lovebug said:
Somehow I don't think we have heard the last of it. Could be setting an example for "see what we can do", "get your act together".
I guess we can agree that the man had ample chances to change his immigration status. The dope charges are minor, but, until pot is legal in all 50 states...
Having said that, I think that he could have been given some sort of fine or punishment other than deportation, putting him on probation. Compromise. Don't let them off the hook but don't be cruel.
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I certainly agree that being in this country as an immigrant is a privilege and not a right. But, at some point, we are violating the rights of his American citizen wife and children. So, there is that.
 
calamity said:
I certainly agree that being in this country as an immigrant is a privilege and not a right. But, at some point, we are violating the rights of his American citizen wife and children. So, there is that.
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Give him and the wife, who knew his status, community service and a fine, then let him start the process to legalize.
 
Lovebug said:
Give him and the wife, who knew his status, community service and a fine, then let him start the process to legalize.
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I think that might be fair. Deportation is far too harsh for someone who has been here over 25 years. I'd probably draw that line at 5. But, paying your dues should still be required.

As I stated above in a reply to another poster, IMO, anyone who has been here for 30 years is an American. Lack of proper paperwork notwithstanding.
 
calamity said:
I think that might be fair. Deportation is far too harsh for someone who has been here over 25 years. I'd probably draw that line at 5. But, paying your dues should still be required.

As I stated above in a reply to another poster, IMO, anyone who has been here for 30 years is an American. Lack of proper paperwork notwithstanding.
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Can I say "may be"? Most are, don't get me wrong, but many are not. After 30 years one would think anyone, regardless of CoO, would have made an attempt to learn the language and try to embrace the host country.
A friend of mine, here since childhood, always has to translate for his dad when I come to visit. I do speak some Spanish, not enough for a lengthy conversation. I always ask them if the conversation wouldn't be easier if senior would have learned English instead of relying on his son.
English is a common language spoken by people t/o the world. Why not here?
I love going to i.e. Mexican restaurants and conversing in Spanish. It is fun. When I go to Walmart and a worker is playing some Mexican songs on the radio, singing in the aisle or having a rather loud conversation with another Spanish speaking individual a few aisles over...not so appropriate. Rather rude, afaic.
 
Lovebug said:
Give him and the wife, who knew his status, community service and a fine, then let him start the process to legalize.
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Except that incentivises more people to come to the country illegally and sets procedual precedents that do crimes is ok well still give you legal statues as long as the public think those crimes are minor.
 
There are crimes, and there are crimes. And there is not an equal chance of being arrested and convicted of them.

The squealing brats at Harvard and Yale, shouting down conservative speakers, grow up in a bubble. Although I would be willing to bet that nearly 100% of them 'do drugs' of various sorts, they are very unlikely to come into contact with the police-judicial system, for any reason, and if they do, they'll be treated very lightly.

It's different with the working class, of all colors. Young males further down the social scale are much more likely to be arrested -- by their early 20s, about 50% of Black males and 40% of white males have been arrested. (Lefties will scream, "See, it's racism!" Naw, it's behavior, and, anyway, control for social class and see what happens to those stats.) When you hear the word "arrest" you might think of things like "armed robbery" but in most cases it's for drunk driving, bar fights, 'possession', teenage shoplifting ...

Several of my male Texas relatives have been arrested, for the latter sort of crime. (And none of my family there has voted Democrat since 1972.) They're all good people.

So if you tell me someone has been arrested and has pled guilty to a drug offense ... and we're deciding whether we want such a person among us ... I want to know, was he running a meth lab or did he get pulled over for a broken tail-light and then get found with a bag of dope. I want to know about the rest of his life: does he have a job, a family, is he a vet, is this his first conviction or his tenth?

During the occupation of Iraq, several American soldiers were court-martialled and convicted of murder. If you tell me that one of them has now been released and is considering moving into my neighborhood, I will not have a knee-jerk reaction and think, 'How awful!'. I'll want to know more -- was he one of the group who raped and murdered an Iraqi teenager, or was he the fellow who sent a probable terrorist to Paradise, one whom was otherwise going to be allowed to return to his trade? If the former, I'd be unhappy, if the latter, I'd organize a welcoming party and see if I could get a whip-round to buy him a car.

But the real issue for conservatives at least, should be: was it a smart move to deport this man? To me, it looks, in Talleyrand's phrase, "worse than a crime, a blunder". One of the many ways in which Mr Trump is working to ensure that the liberals will regain control of Congress and keep it for a long time.
 
I don't think I'll ever understand the argument that the longer you get by with a crime the more the reason you should be given a pass.

Or the argument that because you have a wife and kids you should not be punished for robbing a bank.
 
Lovebug said:
Give him and the wife, who knew his status, community service and a fine, then let him start the process to legalize.
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If you are here illegally, or a drug dealer, there is no process to legalize.
 
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