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What is wrong with white nationalism?

Indian Giver

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Do you oppose white nationalism? If so, would you please explain your reasons in this thread?

Every other race and ethnicity except whites are allowed to have their own culture and live separately.

No one questions the Jewish nationalism that created Israel, what people have a problem there is that the land was stolen from the Palestinians.

Blacks have their own countries - South Africa, Zimbabwe, Haiti, and Jamaica all are black dominated nations. Japan is a mostly closed society.

Only white countries have mass immigration of non-whites forced into their midst and if any white person mentions that it would be nice to have a homogenous white society they are instantly attacked in the most vicious manner and called "racist. hater, and bigot".

Is it wrong to love your own kind more than another? Does a man who loves his wife by definition hate all other women?

Why is all other ethnic and race based nationalism OK, but not white nationalism?
 
When it devolves into racism and hate, it becomes a problem.
 
I have a problem with all nationalism. It is one thing if a country happens to be mostly white, black, Asian or other ethnicity, but I am against efforts designed to keep it that way.
 
KevinKohler said:
When it devolves into racism and hate, it becomes a problem.
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The problem with that is that a person who merely expresses white nationalist sentiments is automatically branded a "racist" and "hater". You need to have clear definitions for those words and apply them to other races as well. It has gotten to the point that "white" = "racist".
 
"White" isn't a nationality. Neither is "black". American Afro-culture began in the vacuum of slavery because nobody knew which African countries their slave ancestors were taken from. Countries in Africa are very different from one another. Many are rivals. Jews were a nation, dispossessed, then repossessed later via Israel. Japan is of course its own culture and nation.

And what is white anyway? White English speaking? Polish? Russian? Central Asian? I mean, they're all white. But we're supposed to make them into a nation now based on skin color?

What are you even talking about?
 
Skeptic Bob said:
I have a problem with all nationalism. It is one thing if a country happens to be mostly white, black, Asian or other ethnicity, but I am against efforts designed to keep it that way.
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Well, nationalism evolved out of the crumbling of the old feudal monarchies and was a coherent vehicle to organize people in a changing political environment. States are how humans have divided the rock and survive culturally and ethnically. I hope that you aren't pushing for an elimination of borders and the state. That would be chaotic.
 
Skeptic Bob said:
I have a problem with all nationalism. It is one thing if a country happens to be mostly white, black, Asian or other ethnicity, but I am against efforts designed to keep it that way.
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Then I'm sure you're against those who put their efforts into actively wanting to change the predominate population with their own form of their nationalism, right?
 
Northern Light said:
"White" isn't a nationality. Neither is "black". American Afro-culture began in the vacuum of slavery because nobody knew which African countries their slave ancestors were taken from. Countries in Africa are very different from one another. Many are rivals. Jews were a nation, dispossessed, then repossessed later via Israel. Japan is of course its own culture and nation.

And what is white anyway? White English speaking? Polish? Russian? Central Asian? I mean, they're all white. But we're supposed to make them into a nation now based on skin color?

What are you even talking about?
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I like the 30 second rule. If after 30 seconds of meeting a person you can't tell if they are white, they probably are not.

I am talking about the preservation of the white race and the institution of nation states that are for white people and promote white culture and community.

These used to exist but are disappearing due to "multi-culturalism", "diversity", and rampant non-white immigration into formerly white countries.

I want to know why it is seen as bad to want to protect white communities but not bad for non-whites to unite as a group.
 
ChoppedLiver said:
Then I'm sure you're against those who put their efforts into actively wanting to change the predominate population with their own form of their nationalism, right?
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If that is the intent, yes. If you are white, Hispanic, Arab, or whatever, your goal should not be to make or keep everyone like you. It is a foolish priority to focus on. There are so many more important things to focus on.
 
Indian Giver said:
Well, nationalism evolved out of the crumbling of the old feudal monarchies and was a coherent vehicle to organize people in a changing political environment. States are how humans have divided the rock and survive culturally and ethnically. I hope that you aren't pushing for an elimination of borders and the state. That would be chaotic.
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Nationalism isn’t merely believing in borders. Modern nationalism has more to do with a feeling of superiority based on which borders you live within. It is the feeling of superiority based on that arbitrary distinction that I object to.
 
Indian Giver said:
I like the 30 second rule. If after 30 seconds of meeting a person you can't tell if they are white, they probably are not.

I am talking about the preservation of the white race and the institution of nation states that are for white people and promote white culture and community.

These used to exist but are disappearing due to "multi-culturalism", "diversity", and rampant non-white immigration into formerly white countries.

I want to know why it is seen as bad to want to protect white communities but not bad for non-whites to unite as a group.
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The concept of “whiteness” only came around the time Europeans colonized America, and the reason behind this creation was to establish a hierarchy in a new society where old socials distinctions such as class and nationality no longer mattered in the new world.

There is one human race.
 
Here in California, Mexicans are overtly racist. They even refer to themselves as "La Raza" - The Race. They wear shirts labeled "Brown Pride" and fly the Mexican flag.

If you are white and fly the American flag on September 16 (Mexican Independence Day) you are called a "racist".

See the double standard? "Brown" people can have pride in their ethnicity and culture but white people cannot do the same.
 
KevinKohler said:
When it devolves into racism and hate, it becomes a problem.
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Skeptic Bob said:
I have a problem with all nationalism. It is one thing if a country happens to be mostly white, black, Asian or other ethnicity, but I am against efforts designed to keep it that way.
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Agreed, they may be out there somewhere but I've never encountered a white nationalist that wasn't just racist.
 
Skeptic Bob said:
Nationalism isn’t merely believing in borders. Modern nationalism has more to do with a feeling of superiority based on which borders you live within. It is the feeling of superiority based on that arbitrary distinction that I object to.
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Well, this is what comparative politics does. You can compare the United States to Zimbabwe and objectively conclude that the United States is superior to Mugabeland.
 
Indian Giver said:
I am talking about the preservation of the white race and the institution of nation states that are for white people and promote white culture and community.
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White people aren't a race though. The very concept of race is faulty. I'm not saying there aren't cultural differences between people but race is such a nebulous term. On a DNA level most white people have fractional DNA from many different societies. I myself am "white" but 1.5% of my DNA is African. Am I "white" enough? "White" embodies many ethnicities that have historically lived side by side.

You're implying homogeneity where none exists.

Indian Giver said:
These used to exist but are disappearing due to "multi-culturalism", "diversity", and rampant non-white immigration into formerly white countries.

I want to know why it is seen as bad to want to protect white communities but not bad for non-whites to unite as a group.
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Yes, we all used to live in our isolated little nations with not nearly as much interconnectivity with the outside world. It's ironic because the nations you label as white are the ones who invented global consumer capitalism and globalization. Their entire plan was to create ease of economy, which in turn naturally causes people to move all over the place.

You're blaming immigrants for all that ails us yet it was your fellow white people in the ruling class who created trade agreements and treaties that created the situation you're discussing.
 
Indian Giver said:
Here in California, Mexicans are overtly racist. They even refer to themselves as "La Raza" - The Race. They wear shirts labeled "Brown Pride" and fly the Mexican flag.

If you are white and fly the American flag on September 16 (Mexican Independence Day) you are called a "racist".

See the double standard? "Brown" people can have pride in their ethnicity and culture but white people cannot do the same.
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Humans are weird. I just don’t see the sense in being proud or ashamed of something you had zero control over.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
Skin color means nothing to me.
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Ah, but that is now racist to think that because it implies that you don't care about the distinctive culture of "people of color". It is just the same as saying "they are all alike'"
 
Skeptic Bob said:
Nationalism isn’t merely believing in borders. Modern nationalism has more to do with a feeling of superiority based on which borders you live within. It is the feeling of superiority based on that arbitrary distinction that I object to.
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Americans are exceptional people.

That's just a fact.

If that weren't true, then America wouldn't be the primary country that most want to migrate to.
 
Indian Giver said:
Ah, but that is now racist to think that because it implies that you don't care about the distinctive culture of "people of color". It is just the same as saying "they are all alike'"
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We are all different in small ways like physical appearance and ethnic identity.

But what makes us different in no way erases the fundamental truth that we are all equally human.
 
Northern Light said:
Yes, we all used to live in our isolated little nations with not nearly as much interconnectivity with the outside world. It's ironic because the nations you label as white are the ones who invented global consumer capitalism and globalization. Their entire plan was to create ease of economy, which in turn naturally causes people to move all over the place.

You're blaming immigrants for all that ails us yet it was your fellow white people in the ruling class who created trade agreements and treaties that created the situation you're discussing.
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Sure, they invited them in. I am saying that the results are not good and that the policies should be changed. But if you do that you become a "white nationalist" and thus evil incarnate.
 
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