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What is wrong with white nationalism?

Indian Giver said:
I haven't seen any evidence that Hitler so much as swatted a fly, but the point was that Stalin murdered millions of innocent people. The Soviet communist slaughter was much higher than the alleged German death toll - over 60 million.

Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot are all socialists and mass murders, and the liberals want to emulate their communist states. That makes liberals supportive of real mass murder. Are you a liberal?
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Oh really? Because I happen to remember people providing ample evidence--- including the fact that the Germans had created hundreds of thousands of documents dealing with the "Final Solution"--- earlier on.

But I'm not surprised a Neo Nazi like yourself is incapable of handling reality.

The Soviets took more than fifty years to amass their death toll. Hitler slaughtered millions of innocents in a fraction of that time.

As usual, total crap. There is not a single person out there who wants to emulate Pol Pot, much less Stalin. And Mao isn't well perceived outside of China either

Perhaps you should familiarize yourself with facts and reality before you spew yet more idiocy.
 
Jesse Booth said:
Not disagreeing with the rest of the post, but you're conflating "civilized" with "humane." An orderly, well-regulated complex society is every bit as capable of horrific acts as a more "barbaric" society. I would argue that they're more likely to commit heinous acts, in fact. Up until the last seventy years or so, the most sophisticated and refined societies of Europe were among the most monstrous in the world. England has, at one time or another, invaded 90% of the world's territory; only 22 modern nations can claim to have never been invaded by the British Isles. France has a reputation almost as bloody, but concentrated primarily in Europe, and I don't need to explain what was wrong with the orderly and highly hygienic Germans of the early 20th century.

This trend can be seen in other regions of the world, as well. The followers of Mohammed followed a strictly regimented religious code as they exterminated dozens of distinct languages and cultures, in order to spread the teachings of their prophet's faith. Genghis Khan, a man whose lineage includes 2.5% of the living human population & whose armies killed enough people to drop global carbon production, was a cultured negotiator and statesman who established one of the first intercontinental postage systems, and maintained a religiously tolerant society. China itself has a long history of committing genocide, and are currently doing so the the people of Tibet. The worst that "barbarians" have ever accomplished was Attila the Hun's reign of terror and the sacking of Rome by the Vandal tribes.

I find that when one looks at history, the most horrifying of acts are almost always performed by societies that most would deem highly sophisticated and advanced for their time. From the Assyrians to the Nazis, history is written in blood spilled with clinical precision and coldly calculated logistics.
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Well, generally speaking the better organized you are easier it is to ramp up the machinery of state and launch a systematic campaign towards whatever goal you want, rather than the somewhat disorganized policies of previous states. I suppose when persecution is informal or the state is loosely aligned it's easier for people to slip through the cracks; a well organized, well disciplined force, on the other hand, is much better at methodically going about a task, including the task of extermination.
 
PhysicalRemoval said:
Nope, I am not. I am National Capitalist. Worlds apart but then again to people like him, anyone who does not agree with him must be a "Nazi".
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So you are (among other things, such "white nationalist") a fairly garden-variety Fascist.

Got it. The pieces of the puzzle that is "Physical Removal" are coming together very nicely.

It comes as no surprise to me to see you using the term "National Capitalism". That is a term that is very popular in the alt-right blogosphere. It's basically a two-pronged philosophy of (1) economic nationalism with political isolationism, and (2) "kick them all out" anti-immigrationism (perfect for someone named "PhysicalRemoval", of course). But to anyone who understands economics and history, it's just fascism without the negative baggage of the term "fascism", which is why it's so popular among anti-intellectual types who dominate the alt-right/white nationalist movements in this country.

You probably don't realize it.....in fact, I'm almost sure you don't..............but I don't think your "National Capitalist" admission comes as a surprise to anyone in this thread.
 
slick said:
Got it wrong again, not surprising. The 'destruction of prosperous societies' that I am aware of those in Rhodesia, South Africa
& Venezuela were definitely not caused by what you call 'white supremacy' those prosperous societies were actually created by
white statesmen and were destroyed by an ill equipped non-white majority who now after that damage would take back their votes
if they could in these states where democracy failed.

BTW what countries are you talking about where white nationalism failed?
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Nazi Germany is case in point of white supremacy failing miserably. South Africa and Rhodesia not only directly aided in the spread of communism, but they destroyed their countries and left them a wreck.

And no, I think it's safe to say nobody would willingly bring Apartheid back in South Africa.
 
Tigerace117 said:
Well, generally speaking the better organized you are easier it is to ramp up the machinery of state and launch a systematic campaign towards whatever goal you want, rather than the somewhat disorganized policies of previous states. I suppose when persecution is informal or the state is loosely aligned it's easier for people to slip through the cracks; a well organized, well disciplined force, on the other hand, is much better at methodically going about a task, including the task of extermination.
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It's also far easier to get people on board with horrific acts when you have conditioned obedience to a powerful authority figure, as we've proven with the Milgram Experiment. You know, the one where the subject was instructed to electrocute someone for getting wrong answers to questions, and they often continued to comply with the orders even after the patient began screaming in pain (just acting, fortunately). Civilized societies are just better at doing terrible things.
 
slick said:
"" Our national tradition of diversity is not a mess, guy - it's a great freaking advantage"" You can't really mean that, can you?

If anyone champions the curbing immigration somewhat the left gets indignant and the cheap shots begin to fly.
for almost 200 years US immigration laws were written with one goal in mind, to preserve the European character of this country.
BTW Diversity advocates forget that the USA became the greatest economic & military power on earth far before the age of Diversity,

Now as I stated previously, Here are a few historical facts you may have missed on your way to
your conclusion. Washington, Adams, Jefferson,
Jay & the crew that helped form this country thought this countries sameness made it possible to endure & succeed, not diversity.
The new Americans that came after the founders for the next hundred years could easily assimilate because they all were Europeans,
all were white there was a 'sameness' about this next group also.

In the second decade of the 20th century, Theodore Roosevelt pondering on the state of the nation proclaimed.
'The one absolute certain way of bringing this nation to ruin, of preventing all possibility of its continuing to be a nation
at all, would be to permit it to become a tangle of squabbling nationaliities' does that not ring a bell? Isn't that the state
of affairs the USA sees itself in now? No longer is the USA one nation & one people with millions a year arriving from 3rd world
countries of different color, creed & cultures.

As I stated before our new president simply does not see how this country is enriched by bringing in scores of people from
failed 3rd world states. Like Roosevelt he's not interested in the USA becoming more tangled up by 'SQUABBLING NATIONALITIES'
than it already has become & that should make sense to everyone!
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And conservatives wonder why they are seen as xenophobes and racists....
 
slick said:
Got it wrong again, not surprising. The 'destruction of prosperous societies' that I am aware of those in Rhodesia, South Africa
& Venezuela were definitely not caused by what you call 'white supremacy' those prosperous societies were actually created by
white statesmen and were destroyed by an ill equipped non-white majority who now after that damage would take back their votes
if they could in these states where democracy failed.

BTW what countries are you talking about where white nationalism failed?
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Not sure what kind of professor you are but I'm glad I'm not in your class. Blacks in SA & Rhodesia had the choice of being poor slaves to a prosperous white society or poor and free men. I can tell you that people no matter what colour of their skin would choose the latter. That's not to say that some leaders like Mugabe totally ****ed it up but one day they will figure it out and be the better for it. The other option of remaining a servile lackey to whites forever doesn't sound to appealing if you're the servile lackey.
 
ultmd said:
So you are (among other things, such "white nationalist") a fairly garden-variety Fascist.

Got it. The pieces of the puzzle that is "Physical Removal" are coming together very nicely.

It comes as no surprise to me to see you using the term "National Capitalism". That is a term that is very popular in the alt-right blogosphere. It's basically a two-pronged philosophy of (1) economic nationalism with political isolationism, and (2) "kick them all out" anti-immigrationism (perfect for someone named "PhysicalRemoval", of course). But to anyone who understands economics and history, it's just fascism without the negative baggage of the term "fascism", which is why it's so popular among anti-intellectual types who dominate the alt-right/white nationalist movements in this country.

You probably don't realize it.....in fact, I'm almost sure you don't..............but I don't think your "National Capitalist" admission comes as a surprise to anyone in this thread.
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So not wasting trillions on pointless wars and limiting the inflow of labor, you mean what we did for nearly all of American history and what works?

Not sure why our side has a problem with what works.

WE get it, your side is mad that you can no longer use the same slurs and name calling to shut down ideas.
 
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Glen Contrarian said:
And conservatives wonder why they are seen as xenophobes and racists....
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Your side "thinks" anyone who wants to keep out anyone, for anyone reason are "xenophobes and racists", its not an argument, it NEVER was.

Nothing he said is factually and even morally wrong.
 
PhysicalRemoval said:
So not wasting trillions on pointless wars and limiting the inflow of labor, you mean what we did for nearly all of American history and what works?
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Well, either you are being LESS than honest.....or (as I suggested earlier) you really don't understand what the term "National Capitalism" really means......nor where it originated. In that case, it would be clear that you are just regurgitating that term as a slogan, probably because you read or heard it on some alt-right blog/media source. Either way, you CANNOT hide from the FACT that that is a term (i.e. National Capitalism) that is ONLY used by alt-righties and other white nationalist/white supremacist idiots. The fact that you posted it on this board.......so proudly.......cannot be ignored. Your slip is showing, PR. :lamo

Not sure why our side has a problem with what works.
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Stop lying. You don't want to simply "control inflow of labor". You want to "physically remove" millions of people who are already contributing to the country and the economy. And, as for needless wars...........where were you people BEFORE the Iraq invasion? Your side was almost uniformly in favor of the Iraq invasion. Some of us have ALWAYS opposed "pointless wars". The disastrous Bush/Cheney foreign policy legacy is going to haunt this country until the next century, unfortunately. So it's a little late for your side to discover religion at this point.

WE get it, your side is mad that you can no longer use the same slurs and name calling to shut down ideas.
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What "slurs"?

Are you ashamed to be called a White Nationalist? What about a White Supremacist?

Did you not know what National Capitalism meant when you said it? If not.....why not? Did you honestly not know that National Capitalism is just Fascism, rebranded by the alt-right to remove the negative connotations of pre-WWII history? If so.......are you ashamed to consider yourself a modern-day fascist?

I find it funny that you consider ACCURATE descriptions of your views to be "slurs".

Regardless, you simply CANNOT hide the FACT that you posted a term on this board (i.e. National Capitalism) that was coined by....and is ONLY used by....alt-righties to describe their political/economic philosophy.
 
Tigerace117 said:
Oh really? Because I happen to remember people providing ample evidence--- including the fact that the Germans had created hundreds of thousands of documents dealing with the "Final Solution"--- earlier on.

But I'm not surprised a Neo Nazi like yourself is incapable of handling reality.

The Soviets took more than fifty years to amass their death toll. Hitler slaughtered millions of innocents in a fraction of that time.

As usual, total crap. There is not a single person out there who wants to emulate Pol Pot, much less Stalin. And Mao isn't well perceived outside of China either

Perhaps you should familiarize yourself with facts and reality before you spew yet more idiocy.
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Wrong.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor
 
ultmd said:
Stop lying. You don't want to simply "control inflow of labor". You want to "physically remove" millions of people who are already contributing to the country and the economy.
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You mean illegals? Yes, they are hear illegally and take out more then they put in, this has been proven. The effects will be a lowering of the cost of living, tax burden, as well an increase in wages/standards of living among American workers.

Reducing future immigration will add to this.


And, as for needless wars...........where were you people BEFORE the Iraq invasion? Your side was almost uniformly in favor of the Iraq invasion. Some of us have ALWAYS opposed "pointless wars". The disastrous Bush/Cheney foreign policy legacy is going to haunt this country until the next century, unfortunately. So it's a little late for your side to discover religion at this point.
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Ron Paul, Buchanan, Llewellyn Rockwell, Samuel Francis, Thomas Fleming, Scott McConnell, Justin Raimondo, Joe Sobran, Charley Reese, Jude Wanniski, Eric Margolis, and Taki Theodoracopulos for starters.

We are not "Neo Cons" that is the entire point of recent events. We are done with "free trade", open borders, mass immigration, "Interventionalism", etc.
 
Glen Contrarian said:
And conservatives wonder why they are seen as xenophobes and racists....
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Says the same poster who posted these provoking words '"Policy" created WHAT mess? Our national tradition of diversity is not
a mess, guy - it's a great freaking advantage, especially when it comes to our national security and our interactions with other nations.
Face it, guy - you and those like you are on the wrong side of history, just as George Wallace and his ilk were.'

And when called on that incorrect assessment of history gets indignant and the cheap shots begin to fly, one might expect from
from your ilk likely is to disparage diversity is punishable heresy! Didn't I already explain to you that this country had no "national
tradition of diversity' not at all, until there become a small hole in the dike in 1965 which soon became a fissure.

The most destructive lies ever witnessed in this country were uttered by Ted Kennedy on the Senate floor in 1965!

As an American rooting for the country to make a three point landing I view immigration as a big negative!!!!!
Your kind would love to advance the concept of the ideal nation egalitarian, diverse & liberated! But human nature is the eternal
enemy of utopian love affair with diversity
 
Tigerace117 said:
Not even close buddy. The Holodomor was only a tiny fraction of the total Soviet death toll. Your hero Adolf, on the other hand, managed to kill millions upon millions in only a few years---like I stated earlier.
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If you bothered to even read the article the Soviets killed more in that one event in less then a year then the were in Germany over the course of the war.

Never mind Mao`s record.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_killings_under_Communist_regimes

You should really learn to read.
 
slick said:
Says the same poster who posted these provoking words '"Policy" created WHAT mess? Our national tradition of diversity is not
a mess, guy - it's a great freaking advantage, especially when it comes to our national security and our interactions with other nations.
Face it, guy - you and those like you are on the wrong side of history, just as George Wallace and his ilk were.'

And when called on that incorrect assessment of history gets indignant and the cheap shots begin to fly, one might expect from
from your ilk likely is to disparage diversity is punishable heresy! Didn't I already explain to you that this country had no "national
tradition of diversity' not at all, until there become a small hole in the dike in 1965 which soon became a fissure.

The most destructive lies ever witnessed in this country were uttered by Ted Kennedy on the Senate floor in 1965!

As an American rooting for the country to make a three point landing I view immigration as a big negative!!!!!
Your kind would love to advance the concept of the ideal nation egalitarian, diverse & liberated! But human nature is the eternal
enemy of utopian love affair with diversity
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Luckily the Internet has destroyed the gatekeepers ability to spread lies and deny facts.

This time there will be no "Immigration Act of 1965" to counter act our Johnson Reed Act.

The Answer to 1965 is 1924​
 
PhysicalRemoval said:
If you bothered to even read the article the Soviets killed more in that one event in less then a year then the were in Germany over the course of the war.

Never mind Mao`s record.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_killings_under_Communist_regimes

You should really learn to read.
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It’s truly hilarious how you think communist mass killings over a century somehow excuse the crimes of your heroes in Nazi Germany.

It’s also truly hilarious to watch you flail about, especially given that nobody really knows what the exact death toll for the Holodomor was.

Shall we get into the numerous atrocities your heroes committed in the Ukraine now?
 
PhysicalRemoval said:
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Luckily the Internet has destroyed the gatekeepers ability to spread lies and deny facts.

This time there will be no "Immigration Act of 1965" to counter act our Johnson Reed Act.

The Answer to 1965 is 1924​
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The answer to your ilk is 1945, when you were throughly crushed.
 
PhysicalRemoval said:
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Luckily the Internet has destroyed the gatekeepers ability to spread lies and deny facts.

This time there will be no "Immigration Act of 1965" to counter act our Johnson Reed Act.

The Answer to 1965 is 1924​
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The words of the the legendary statesman congressman from Colorado William Vaile of Colorado should not be forgotten when
he spoke before congress as the champion of the Immigration Act of 1924:

'Let me emphasize here that the restrictionists of Congress do not claim that the “Nordic” race, or even the Anglo-Saxon race, is the
best race in the world. … What we do claim is that the northern European, and particularly Anglo-Saxons made this country. Oh, yes;
the others helped. But that is the full statement of the case. They came to this country because it was already made as an Anglo-Saxon
commonwealth. They added to it, they often enriched it, but they did not make it, and they have not yet greatly changed it. We are determined
that they shall not. It is a good country. It suits us. And what we assert is that we are not going to surrender it to somebody else or allow other
people, no matter what their merits, to make it something different. If there is any changing to be done, we will do it ourselves.
(Cong. Rec., April 8, 1924, 5922)

The tragedy is that the likes of Ted Kennedy & his partner in crime Lyndon Johnson just 40 years later managed to create a scenario that
Vaile would have thought reeked of treason.
 
slick said:
The words of the the legendary statesman congressman from Colorado William Vaile of Colorado should not be forgotten when
he spoke before congress as the champion of the Immigration Act of 1924:

'Let me emphasize here that the restrictionists of Congress do not claim that the “Nordic” race, or even the Anglo-Saxon race, is the
best race in the world. … What we do claim is that the northern European, and particularly Anglo-Saxons made this country. Oh, yes;
the others helped. But that is the full statement of the case. They came to this country because it was already made as an Anglo-Saxon
commonwealth. They added to it, they often enriched it, but they did not make it, and they have not yet greatly changed it. We are determined
that they shall not. It is a good country. It suits us. And what we assert is that we are not going to surrender it to somebody else or allow other
people, no matter what their merits, to make it something different. If there is any changing to be done, we will do it ourselves.
(Cong. Rec., April 8, 1924, 5922)

The tragedy is that the likes of Ted Kennedy & his partner in crime Lyndon Johnson just 40 years later managed to create a scenario that
Vaile would have thought reeked of treason.
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We did not have the Internet then, the handful of media outlets existed to service and push only one side....That era is gone and never coming back.

Our 1924 Act will likely be permanent as lessons were learned and now the flow of information flows without "gate keepers" stopping it.
 
Indian Giver said:
Zimbabwe was better when it was Rhodesia. The problem with Rhodesia is that it consisted of a white minority surrounded by a black majority. The whites were needed to produce a productive and governable nation but they were never going to fully contain the natives.
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That is as true a statement in this thread to this point. Rhodesia the 'breadbasket' of Africa in less than a decade became Zimbabwe the 'basket case'
of Africa. Pity the poor countries that have a sizable white minority vulnerable because of democracy to black rule. South Africa soon followed. Whose next.
 
slick said:
That is as true a statement in this thread to this point. Rhodesia the 'breadbasket' of Africa in less than a decade became Zimbabwe the 'basket case'
of Africa. Pity the poor countries that have a sizable white minority vulnerable because of democracy to black rule. South Africa soon followed. Whose next.
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And yet people still want to blame whitey for the voting habits of the majority.

S.A might follow, if their is a coup it might stave it off, then again if civil/race war does happen it is important to understand the following.

All one side has to do is blow up the water pipes and wait 5 days.

All of this assumes that India or China do not try for a land grab which they might in force or by proxy.

It will be hard for leftists to stay the course of their self hate driven suicide cult when they see people like them being "necklaced" in the streets of the"Utopia" they dream of.
 
PhysicalRemoval said:
You mean illegals? Yes, they are hear illegally and take out more then they put in, this has been proven. The effects will be a lowering of the cost of living, tax burden, as well an increase in wages/standards of living among American workers.
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You're lying again. The FACT is that study after study has long-since PROVEN that undocumented immigrants to this country "put it" FAR, FAR more than they "take out". That is just not arguable.....except in the alternative universe of the alt-right, where you reside. Similarly, the FACTS show that cost of living and tax burdens (in particular) would increase, DRAMATICALLY, if white nationalists like you were granted your wishes (and 15+ million productive, law-abiding people were deported from the US). But again, the only places these well-known FACTS are in doubt are in the dark recesses of the internet, where angry white nationalists (like you) congregate



So it's clear that, via this thread and others like it, there are a lot of white supremacists, white nationalists, racists on this board....as well as quite a few who are sympathetic to those groups of people.

What's funny about you people is the way you are CONSTANTLY whining and complaining about being called what you are. When you reveal who you really are (ideologically) in threads like this one..........and then jump into other threads by whining and crying about being called a "racist" (even when no one has done so).......it's difficult for most rational people to take you seriously.

You can't SHOW yourself to be something...........and then pull out your handy "VICTIM CARD" when people use the correct words to describe you and/or the views and arguments you express on this board.
 
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