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USA a ****hole to those Living in the Developed World

PirateMk1 said:
Sonny, I have been to Germany, and Denmark, and England, and France. I have been to Canada, and Mexico, and Iraq, and Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, and the UAE. I have been to all sorts of places, some I was there for a period of years. So I know a thing or two about the world and the USA is most definitely head and shoulders above EVERYONE else by far. That doesn't mean there are aspects about other countries that exceed the USA, but by and large and looked at from the big picture there's nothing that beats it unless you start your own country. Bottom line is despite the USA's many flaws its beats most everyone else hands down for opportunity and quality of life, for ordinary people.
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You must not have gone off base much, or it must have been decades ago, because my experience matches RabidAlpaca to the 'T.' And I was a military dependent and in the military but I got to experience the local culture in Germany. Even have German relatives that are living something more in tune with the American dream than I am I the U.S.!

Also being involved as president of a nonprofit pushing to promote aquaculture in the U.S., I can tell you we are light years behind the europeans in that area. Our politicians are too busy fighting each other, and our country is rapidly falling behind in a lot of areas because of that.

I remember seeing cell phones all over Europe when hardly anyone had one here yet!
 
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EnigmaO01 said:
You must not have gone off base much, or it must have been decades ago, because my experience matches RabidAlpaca to the 'T.' And I was a military dependent and in the military but I got to experience the local culture in Germany. Even have German relatives that are living something more in tune with the American dream than I am I the U.S.!

Also being involved as president of a nonprofit pushing to promote aquaculture in the U.S., I can tell you we are light years behind the europeans in that area. Our politicians are too busy fighting each other, and our country is rapidly falling behind in a lot of areas because of that.

I remember seeing cell phones all over Europe when hardly anyone had one here yet!
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There are many aspects where we are beat quite handily. Roads being one of them by Kuwait and the UAE and Saudi Arabia. Freedom? I can go to Mexico and be well armed regardless what the government says, and pretty much do as I please if I so wanted. Almost every country is going to have aspects which beat the USA. Its when you add everything up then you start to realize the USA has more going for it than pretty much anywhere else. We have plenty of expats around the world, I was one of them. Most eventually find their way back home. Not so with most of the other countries expats who come here to the USA. That says something.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
Unless you're poor, lower middle class or habitually sick or injured. Then it's absolutely not the best country for that person. For the middle to upper middle class it's mostly subjective opinions which is better and for the rich the US is objectively better than every other country.

This whole blanket statement about America being the best country in the world is just just your personal experience and is not going to apply to most people.

What matters is your values. If you value obesity, expensive health care many can't even get, very few vacation days, high crime rates and astronomically imbalanced income equality, then yeah the US is really just the best all around. If you value quality of life and security for your family it's not.
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I find that most US expats eventually come home and keep their citizenship when working in other countries. I find the reverse true when foreign expats come to the US.
 
calamity said:
How anyone can be in a place like Germany, with clean cities and no noticeable crime, a place rife with history and little shops, educated people and adequate services from public transportation to healthcare, one free of graffiti and the other false narratives like calling it the best when it's really just an overpriced, impossible barrier to overcome for most but the 20% who can afford the best drugs and treatments, is beyond me. My guess is they fail to see America's Walmartization for what it is: a ****hole.
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Well if it's so much of a ****hole, why you still here? RabidAlpaca moved. He put his money where his mouth is, now lives in Germany, and he seems to like it. I am sure there's a country who would love to take you and would be a perfect match for you. It's not like we are trying to keep anyone in.
 
PirateMk1 said:
Well if it's so much of a ****hole, why you still here? RabidAlpaca moved. He put his money where his mouth is, now lives in Germany, and he seems to like it. I am sure there's a country who would love to take you and would be a perfect match for you. It's not like we are trying to keep anyone in.
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Most of the people in this country do not want it to be a ****hole, proving that by voting against Trump. So, we prefer the ****holes who voted for him move. Maybe they will after we boot him out.
 
calamity said:
Most of the people in this country do not want it to be a ****hole, proving that by voting against Trump. So, we prefer the ****holes who voted for him move. Maybe they will after we boot him out.
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Good luck with that. Not. You're saying your own country is a ****hole. You have the opportunity to move why not take it? Oh wait, that's right, you know that well maybe it's not all sunshine and rainbows here in the US but things tends to be worse elsewhere. Canada is as close as you can get to being like the US but not. And nobody says they are a ****hole, at least in polite company. They even have universal healthcare. You might like them. And they are easy to get to too.
 
CLAX1911 said:
I wish your family members the best.
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Took my wife and her family a number of years

Now we are sponsoring her other relatives....but it still takes time

Appreciate the well wishes....we know it will happen....just have to be patient
 
RabidAlpaca said:
What "dream" are they searching for that they can't find in Germany? I think it's safe to assume your wife's family aren't economic migrants or refugees, they're just moving because they want to. It's also very unlikely that they're very poor as being poor in Germany is 100 times better than being poor in the US. You will always have a roof over your head, food in your stomach, full healthcare coverage and affordable higher education. You can buy a house, erect a white picket fence and live the "American dream" even easier than you can in the US. The only thing that's better in the US is if you're already rich, because the society is completely built around pay-to-play.

Starting small businesses is also a lot easier here and Germany still actually manufactures most of what it produces. I work for a radar company that's a world leader and manufacturers all of its radars in house. I also have 6.5 weeks of paid vacation, a year of paternity leave per child and am actually taxed very little. So I'm just wondering what this "big magical dream" is that only America can provide.



If you're poor in the US you'll have little to no access to healthcare, higher education, healthy food, or a wide plethora of other necessities. Yeah, we'll agree with you, if you're rich, being in the US is really the best. If you're part of the middle and lower classes your quality of life is likely to be quite a bit worse than in other modern countries.

You talk like someone who honestly believes everyone in America is just a temporarily embarassed potential millionaire and the only thing stopping them is drive and hard work. America: experiences may vary wildly.
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My wife owns her own business with her brother here.....her relatives want to do the same thing.....one is a cobbler, and wants to open up a shoe shop of some sort. Another is a guy that has been making sausage for 25years....it is very hard to open your own business in Germany....

And my wife and I can help them....we have done well.

Everyone has their own experiences and their own biases....I have seen the American dream come true.....maybe your life experiences are different....but yes, I believe you make your own success in this country
 
yes, let the liberals new motto going into the 2018 elections should be : "America is the real sh*thole". THAT will get Michigan back in the blue all right.

you will have even less power than you have now, which hardly seems possible.

it's also heartening to see the left has learned NOTHING from the last election. They must win back middle class voters to win yet spend all their fake outrage and grief over foreign people and what other countries think of us. You think people in Wisconsin are suddenly going to vote democrat because of a comment Trump made about Haiti!?!?!

it's comical. and will cost them. maybe more national elections losses will wake them up. but I seriously doubt it. unless every GOP candidate is Roy Moore the left is in big trouble going forward. Trust me on that.
 
gdgyva said:
Took my wife and her family a number of years

Now we are sponsoring her other relatives....but it still takes time

Appreciate the well wishes....we know it will happen....just have to be patient
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Well I hope it's sooner rather than later.
 
gdgyva said:
My wife owns her own business with her brother here.....her relatives want to do the same thing.....one is a cobbler, and wants to open up a shoe shop of some sort. Another is a guy that has been making sausage for 25years....it is very hard to open your own business in Germany....

And my wife and I can help them....we have done well.

Everyone has their own experiences and their own biases....I have seen the American dream come true.....maybe your life experiences are different....but yes, I believe you make your own success in this country
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I'm sorry but this is completely crazy logic. No, it is not hard to start a small business in Germany, it's dramatically easier than the US. Mom and Pop ownership on America is virtually dead while here most of the businesses are small family run. Here there actually are cobblers with their own shoe shops. In the US it'll be a Foot Locker chain in a run down strip mal that manufactures in Vietnam. Americans do not want a Mom and Pop shoe shop, they want cheap and mass produced, so I'm not sure what magical policy is going to make them a big success there.

I hope your family remains perfectly healthy while they're becoming big shot American millionaires, because they're going to have laughably unaffordable and inadequate health care while they're trying to succeed. In Germany you can start a small business and still keep your cheap health care, making it much easier to step out on your own.
PirateMk1 said:
Well if it's so much of a ****hole, why you still here? RabidAlpaca moved. He put his money where his mouth is, now lives in Germany, and he seems to like it. I am sure there's a country who would love to take you and would be a perfect match for you. It's not like we are trying to keep anyone in.
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If I weren't married to a German I'd be back in the states and still be advocating for improvement of our country. I know to you anyone that thinks their country can be improved hates their country and should go, but most people don't see it that way.
 
PirateMk1 said:
Good luck with that. Not. You're saying your own country is a ****hole. You have the opportunity to move why not take it? Oh wait, that's right, you know that well maybe it's not all sunshine and rainbows here in the US but things tends to be worse elsewhere. Canada is as close as you can get to being like the US but not. And nobody says they are a ****hole, at least in polite company. They even have universal healthcare. You might like them. And they are easy to get to too.
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I don't much care for the weather there
 
RabidAlpaca said:
I'm sorry but this is completely crazy logic. No, it is not hard to start a small business in Germany, it's dramatically easier than the US. Mom and Pop ownership on America is virtually dead while here most of the businesses are small family run. Here there actually are cobblers with their own shoe shops. In the US it'll be a Foot Locker chain in a run down strip mal that manufactures in Vietnam. Americans do not want a Mom and Pop shoe shop, they want cheap and mass produced, so I'm not sure what magical policy is going to make them a big success there.

I hope your family remains perfectly healthy while they're becoming big shot American millionaires, because they're going to have laughably unaffordable and inadequate health care while they're trying to succeed. In Germany you can start a small business and still keep your cheap health care, making it much easier to step out on your own.


If I weren't married to a German I'd be back in the states and still be advocating for improvement of our country. I know, to you, anyone that thinks their country can be improved hates their country and should go, but most people don't see it that way.
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I admit freely it's not all sunshine lollipops and rainbows in the US. That said I would point out that most of the liberals "improvements" come at a cost I don't wish to pay and further, I don't think we need. i would also point most of these improvements are the cause of many of the current problems we have. Further, because the government is now so bloody intertwined, unnessarrily I might add, with our lives it has resulted in a stringent posture on pretty much all sides to dig their heals in as a defensive measure. In fact, I would go so far as to say the problem the US has, is too much "help" from the government. I prefer less government all the way around. It doesn't need to be in our business and personal lives except only so far as to help ourselves adjudicate ourselves, that and provide for a common defense.
 
PirateMk1 said:
I admit freely it's not all sunshine lollipops and rainbows in the US. That said I would point out that most of the liberals "improvements" come at a cost I don't wish to pay and further, I don't think we need. i would also point most of these improvements are the cause of many of the current problems we have. Further, because the government is now so bloody intertwined, unnessarrily I might add, with our lives it has resulted in a stringent posture on pretty much all sides to dig their heals in as a defensive measure. In fact, I would go so far as to say the problem the US has, is too much "help" from the government. I prefer less government all the way around. It doesn't need to be in our business and personal lives except only so far as to help ourselves adjudicate ourselves, that and provide for a common defense.
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I bet if the US was 100% white, no one would complain about "government help."
 
calamity said:
I bet if the US was 100% white, no one would complain about "government help."
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We know this is true because literally every time anything good is brought up that other countries do conservatives will come by and scream "THAT'S BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE AS MUCH DIVERSITY AS WE DO!!!" I. E. The damn minorities are the source of all our problems and that's why we can't have nice things.
 
calamity said:
Seriously. Does any one honestly believe people who live in Norway, Sweden, Germany, or even Canada would ever consider moving to the USA as it is today? No ****ing way.
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And yet they come.

Those Swedes are idiots.

I happen to be a Swede... That's how I know! How 'BOUT those Vikings?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_the_United_States#Ethnicity


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Foreign-born population of the United States in 2016, by country of birth.
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>10,000,000
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1,000,000–3,000,000
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300,000–1,000,000
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100,000–300,000
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30,000–100,000
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United States and its territories
 
code1211 said:
And yet they come.

Those Swedes are idiots.

I happen to be a Swede... That's how I know! How 'BOUT those Vikings?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_the_United_States#Ethnicity


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Foreign-born population of the United States in 2016, by country of birth.
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>10,000,000
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You're a first generation immigrant? Our country has only become a ****hole recently...a little over a year ago to be exact.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
We know this is true because literally every time anything good is brought up that other countries do conservatives will come by and scream "THAT'S BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE AS MUCH DIVERSITY AS WE DO!!!" I. E. The damn minorities are the source of all our problems and that's why we can't have nice things.
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The white nationalists actually push for socialism...for whites only.
 
calamity said:
Seriously. Does any one honestly believe people who live in Norway, Sweden, Germany, or even Canada would ever consider moving to the USA as it is today? No ****ing way.
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Anyone with the offer of a good secure job, with good health insurance, should consider moving to the US. For one thing the US is far more democratic than either Sweden or Germany. The latter is about to get a government that no one voted for: a left/right coalition.
 
calamity said:
Seriously. Does any one honestly believe people who live in Norway, Sweden, Germany, or even Canada would ever consider moving to the USA as it is today? No ****ing way.
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You, and the Likes of Glen Contrarian, RabidAlpaca, JackA, yankintx, are free to move to any of these countries if they are so much better.


People move from these countries all the time. But the fact that they are prosperous stable democracies the reasons for moving aren't as strong as they are from ****hole countries.


But please, if you think this country sucks, don't let the door hit you on the way out.
 
calamity said:
You're a first generation immigrant? Our country has only become a ****hole recently...a little over a year ago to be exact.
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No. I'm third generation.

Mother's side from Ireland and father's side from Sweden.

Various funny stories of the assimilation into society on both sides that would today be thought to be racist if recounted about folks with less pale, more beautiful complexions.

We used to look at these events and situations with humor understanding our shared immigrant experience. We are now taught to assure that we divide and segment everyone into hate-defined categories.

What we share is no longer important. What divides us is what is important. It's a sad state of affairs.
 
Sweden said:
I, too, am a Swede and I concur.
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In fairness, though, aren't we all, Swedes and all the rest of the human family, idiots.

It's one of the uniting qualities we all share. ;)
 
calamity said:
Seriously. Does any one honestly believe people who live in Norway, Sweden, Germany, or even Canada would ever consider moving to the USA as it is today? No ****ing way.
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Well, not a lot of Norwegians but there are a few here.

My Wife's cousin (American), for example, and her husband (Norwegian) live in Oslo in the Summer and here in the Winter with their duel-citizenship.

Lots of Swedish here as well and more likely than not are chicks because most chicks in Sweden are smokin' HOT!

They have to come here where the competition is a bit better to get into PR, show biz, modeling etc...

Many (both Swedish dudes and chicks) are in the medical field where they can get better pay here than they can in government controlled Sweden.

And Germany?

There's a LOT of them here in the town I live in and everywhere else that is a decent place to live.

Maybe the small and very busy (real) German market in my town where German is spoken freely is the magnet for them.

As far as Canadians go, they are literally EVERYWHERE.

Have you ever been to Palm Springs?
 
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