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Federal judge temporarily revives part of DACA immigration program[W:50]

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So what's the problem with this? I don't see one.

Typical response by those that disagree with a Judges decision- though in the end I think it will be overturned.
 
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Are the parents/other chain relations being deported regardless?
 
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So what's the problem with this? I don't see one.

He's really upset because he hates brown people and this might let a few of them stay because they have jobs and a family here. The "fitness review" he's suggesting is just him daydreaming about firing judges that don't rule the way he wants.
 
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Federal judge temporarily revives part of DACA immigration program

Immigration needs to be stopped. I mean completely stopped. The nation has done it before, it can do it again.
 
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The problem is something the right hates -- The US Govt

Are you sure about that? They stand every single time they hear the national anthem. :confused:
 
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Typical response by those that disagree with a Judges decision- though in the end I think it will be overturned.

Probably will be overturned. I am pro-DACA so of course I agree with the decision.

From what I read, they are still not accepting new applications but just put in an order to resume renewals. While everything gets straightened out, I think they should.

"These individuals had submitted substantial personal identifying information to the government, paid hefty fees, and planned their lives according to the dictates of DACA," Alsup wrote. "The administrative record includes no consideration to the disruption a rescission would have on the lives of DACA recipients, let alone their families, employers and employees, schools and communities."
 
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There needs to be a fitness review of all federal judges, because some of them (this guy) don't need to be on the bench.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...igration-program-n836336?cid=eml_nbn_20180110

Fact is any president can revoke or rescind an executive order which is what the dream act was, not legislation passed by congress. I think the judge is letting his political agenda over ride the constitution on this. I'm pretty sure the SCOTUS will cede the power to revoke or do away with executive orders by a sitting president of a former president. Especially when the constitution in this case gives the power over immigration to congress, not to the executive branch. Article I, Section 8.

If the SCOTUS rules that the executive order, DACA in this case can't be revoked or rescinded, then there is no need to have a congress or separation of powers, checks and balances. Any president once that precedence is set can legislate from the Oval Office, change any existing laws passed by congress via EO, have a free hand. If this happens, we as a country will have entered the era of dictatorship. Elected dictatorship, but dictatorship nonetheless.

But perhaps that is exactly what each major party wants. The power for a president of their party to enact anything that president wants or political party wants without challenge. No need for a constitution because that may stop a president's or political party agenda.
 
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Re: Federal judge temporarily revives part of DACA immigration program

There needs to be a fitness review of all federal judges, because some of them (this guy) don't need to be on the bench.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...igration-program-n836336?cid=eml_nbn_20180110

This judge has overstepped his authority.

Nothing in existing immigration law supports this partisan ruling. DACA was established by Executive Order, not by act of Congress. The President has the power to act under current Immigration law to revoke DACA by eliminating the E.O. that allowed it and then directing the appropriate agencies to begin enforcing immigration law.

Once out of that Progressive-Left hole where the decision was rendered (San Francisco, and then the 9th Circuit), I expect see the ruling being overturned.
 
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So what's the problem with this? I don't see one.

DACA was another unconstitutional EO by obama.
Trump has the power to undo EO's whether judges agree with it or not.

as long as the EO in question is constitutional then there is little a judge can do.
These activist judges are not ruling based on law by their own political ideology.

The fact is Trump can undo DACA.
 
Re: Federal judge temporarily revives part of DACA immigration program

Fact is any president can revoke or rescind an executive order which is what the dream act was, not legislation passed by congress. I think the judge is letting his political agenda over ride the constitution on this. I'm pretty sure the SCOTUS will cede the power to revoke or do away with executive orders by a sitting president of a former president. Especially when the constitution in this case gives the power over immigration to congress, not to the executive branch. Article I, Section 8.

If the SCOTUS rules that the executive order, DACA in this case can't be revoked or rescinded, then there is no need to have a congress or separation of powers, checks and balances. Any president once that precedence is set can legislate from the Oval Office, change any existing laws passed by congress via EO, have a free hand. If this happens, we as a country will have entered the era of dictatorship. Elected dictatorship, but dictatorship nonetheless.

But perhaps that is exactly what each major party wants. The power for a president of their party to enact anything that president wants or political party wants without challenge. No need for a constitution because that may stop a president's or political party agenda.

Your analysis of this decision is highly flawed.

First, the DREAM ACT is legislation. It just hasnt been passed by Congress...yet

Two, there is absolutely no evidence that this decision was politically motivated in any way

Three, while there is no doubt that a president can revoke EOs, there is just as little doubt that this power is not unlimited.

Finally, this case is not about whether or not a president can rescind Obama DACA EO; it is about whether or not Trump did so in a manner consistent with the law.
 
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He's really upset because he hates brown people and this might let a few of them stay because they have jobs and a family here. The "fitness review" he's suggesting is just him daydreaming about firing judges that don't rule the way he wants.

because it has nothing to do with with the fact this judge is just wrong.
 
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Is this a 9nth district judge?


It will be overturned. These judges like to overstep thier authority.
 
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Trump says he's willing to negotiate, give a little on DACRA, and ask a little on border control.

I think this is a fair compromise
 
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So what's the problem with this? I don't see one.

The problem is that a single judge can make a past president's EO (or, in this case, some part of that EO) into the law of the land. The constitution assigns no such permanent law making power to the POTUS. Even if one believes that the POTUS has such power that does not explain why the current POTUS somehow loses that law making power over a matter simply because it was addressed by a past POTUS.
 
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Probably will be overturned. I am pro-DACA so of course I agree with the decision.

From what I read, they are still not accepting new applications but just put in an order to resume renewals. While everything gets straightened out, I think they should.

Anyone that "plans their life" around a two year temporary deportation waiver has serious problems. Even the title of the EO (not a law) states "deferred action" not a lifetime waiver of the application of immigration law to that lucky winner.
 
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So what's the problem with this? I don't see one.

DACA is an executive order. A judge can't order the president to enforce an executive order. It's called "seperation of powers".
 
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Typical response by those that disagree with a Judges decision- though in the end I think it will be overturned.

Overturned? The ruling should be ignored.
 
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Probably will be overturned. I am pro-DACA so of course I agree with the decision.

From what I read, they are still not accepting new applications but just put in an order to resume renewals. While everything gets straightened out, I think they should.

You agree with an illegal decision? That's how you want our country to be governed?
 
Re: Federal judge temporarily revives part of DACA immigration program

Your analysis of this decision is highly flawed.

First, the DREAM ACT is legislation. It just hasnt been passed by Congress...yet

Two, there is absolutely no evidence that this decision was politically motivated in any way

Three, while there is no doubt that a president can revoke EOs, there is just as little doubt that this power is not unlimited.

Finally, this case is not about whether or not a president can rescind Obama DACA EO; it is about whether or not Trump did so in a manner consistent with the law.

Semantics. The legislation I talked about is passed legislation. Legislation not passed is either failed legislation or not legislation depending on how one looks at it. For any legislation to have the effect of law, it must be passed by congress and then signed into law by the president. An executive order such as the one issued by President Obama was more or less guidance to how the INS would enforce the laws already on the books. Or not enforce the laws already on the books.

Any president does have the authority to either adhere to past Executive Orders or to rescind them. With passed legislation by congress, any president can't rescind that legislation. Only congress can.
 
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Overturned? The ruling should be ignored.

So break the law. That is what got the Russian investigations going. Not recommended.
 
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Immigration needs to be stopped. I mean completely stopped. The nation has done it before, it can do it again.

Why? What's the problem?
 
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