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Let's make Trump better

KevinKohler said:
Imagine we control Trump. What would have to change about him to make him someone you, personally, would be OK with (proud?) as your president? His skin tone and hair? His mannersisms, the way he talks, the vocabulary he uses? His political agenda?
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When a wealthy developer buys a plot of land with a meth shack on it, he doesn't renovate the shack. He destroys the meth shack, clears away the debris and builds an entirely new building.
 
Ship him and his family back to NY and leave them there. Install Pence or Ryan into the WH to hold the position and wait for the 2020 elections to get back on track.
 
Winston said:
Then again Trump could be the wake-up call America needs. America is in a political crisis.

And I'm not calling for some regulatory body that approves candidates 'moral character' and 'mental acuity' that would be incredibly Orwellian.

I mean Americans just taking a step back and realizing that if they don't become engaged in politics in a meaningful way, they are going to have **** choices for candidates for the rest of their lives.
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Honestly, this is exactly why I continue to support the man, lol. And why ill vote for someone even worse if possible, if I don't start being presented with decent options.

Voting for the lesser of two evils is bull****. This is the US, not Nigeria. Surely we can do better.
 
Cardinal said:
When a wealthy developer buys a plot of land with a meth shack on it, he doesn't renovate the shack. He destroys the meth shack, clears away the debris and builds an entirely new building.
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Funny. That's kinda how I feel about DC.
 
KevinKohler said:
Imagine we control Trump. What would have to change about him to make him someone you, personally, would be OK with (proud?) as your president? His skin tone and hair? His mannersisms, the way he talks, the vocabulary he uses? His political agenda?
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Hm. Okay, here's a list:

1. Make him biracial, that he might better understand the lives of minorities.
2. Ensure that he's had to live part of his youth in a third-world nation, that he might better appreciate different cultures and religions.
3. Make him watch his own mother argue with the health insurance company that was refusing to pay for her cancer treatment, that he might better understand what happens when insurance corporations are allowed to pick and choose who to cover.
4. Make sure that he takes Constitutional law at Harvard, so that he might better understand the Constitution.
5. Have him turn down offers from high-powered law firms and work instead to represent the poor and disadvantaged in one of America's inner cities, that he might better understand poverty and the challenges faced by the poor.

Oh, wait....
 
KevinKohler said:
Funny. That's kinda how I feel about DC.
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Except that what ended up happening in that case is that the wealthy developer knocked down the meth shack and built a crappier, smaller meth shack. And he filled it with more meth addicts.
 
Glen Contrarian said:
Hm. Okay, here's a list:

1. Make him biracial, that he might better understand the lives of minorities.
2. Ensure that he's had to live part of his youth in a third-world nation, that he might better appreciate different cultures and religions.
3. Make him watch his own mother argue with the health insurance company that was refusing to pay for her cancer treatment, that he might better understand what happens when insurance corporations are allowed to pick and choose who to cover.
4. Make sure that he takes Constitutional law at Harvard, so that he might better understand the Constitution.
5. Have him turn down offers from high-powered law firms and work instead to represent the poor and disadvantaged in one of America's inner cities, that he might better understand poverty and the challenges faced by the poor.

Oh, wait....
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So, you'd rather have a never ending Obama presidency? You felt he was the best president in your lifetime?
 
KevinKohler said:
So for you, its as simple as, act like a politician? Don't act like one of us, those he presumes to represent...act more like a professional.
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What hole did you crawl out of? Most adults that I know act like adults.
Most of us who have had long careers also have some amount of professionalism in how we conduct ourselves. High level managers even more. CEOs, even more.
But of course, he's not *really* a big business guy, he ran a small boutique where his name and money and attitude carried the weight.

Yes, as PRESIDENT OF THE ****ING UNITED STATES, the commander in chief...yes, I think acting *at least* like an average, professional, adult, is not asking too much.

That you think "like one of us" means an ignorant, unprofessional, bully, is telling.
 
Mach said:
What hole did you crawl out of? Most adults that I know act like adults.
Most of us who have had long careers also have some amount of professionalism in how we conduct ourselves. High level managers even more. CEOs, even more.
But of course, he's not *really* a big business guy, he ran a small boutique where his name and money and attitude carried the weight.

Yes, as PRESIDENT OF THE ****ING UNITED STATES, the commander in chief...yes, I think acting *at least* like an average, professional, adult, is not asking too much.

That you think "like one of us" means an ignorant, unprofessional, bully, is telling.
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Look, I understand what you're saying, I do. I couldn't get away with acting that way at my job. However, I again have to ask, when's the last time you watched TV, or the news?

This country is chock full of people just like him, minus the yuge inheritance.
 
KevinKohler said:
So, you'd rather have a never ending Obama presidency? You felt he was the best president in your lifetime?
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I did NOT say or even imply a "never-ending Obama presidency". Please refrain from putting words in the mouths of other people.

Looking objectively at what he accomplished in the context of the obstacles he faced, Obama was the fourth-best president we've ever had (following Lincoln, Washington, and FDR in that order). Obama not only took over smack-dab in the middle of the worst economic crisis since the Depression (we lost 700K jobs just in the month he took over, remember), but also while we were mired in two highly-unpopular wars, both of which were then among the longest wars in our history. He was certainly not perfect - no president ever has been or can be - but by the time he was done, one war was ended, the other was decreased to a low-key occupation, America had been given the longest stretch of private-sector job growth in our nation's entire history, our budget deficit had been cut in half, led the entire world to join in the Paris Accord to address climate change (it didn't then but now does include Syria and Nicaragua, AND the Accord endures worldwide despite the worst efforts of Trump), and more Americans were covered by health insurance than at any other time in our history...

...and he did all that while enduring the worst political opposition faced by any president since Lincoln.

Back to the Paris Accord for a moment - in human history, all the world has banded together to face a common threat only one time before: the Montreal Protocol which banned the CFC's that were destroying our planet's ozone layer. As Big Oil does today against climate change (and for the same fiduciary reasons), the chemical corporations (led by DuPont) tried to fight the Montreal Protocol...but it was passed, to the benefit of all of us. The effort to pass the Montreal Protocol was led by the UN...but the leadership that led to passage of the Paris Accord was Obama's. I know of no other president that can point to having led essentially the whole world to agreement on any single major agreement.

So...yeah, objectively speaking, Obama was a truly great president...and that's how he will be remembered by historians. You can claim otherwise all you want, but those are the undeniable facts to which the historians will point as justification for his status as a great president.
 
KevinKohler said:
Imagine we control Trump. What would have to change about him to make him someone you, personally, would be OK with (proud?) as your president? His skin tone and hair? His mannersisms, the way he talks, the vocabulary he uses? His political agenda?
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Trump can't be fixed. You're talking about an imaginary hypothetical of the plausible impossible. Like making a mouse come alive and captain a steamboat down a river. It would be a personification of anthropomorphic proportion.
 
We can make him as generous and loving as Obama if we could... and maybe lose the hair-do that he has also. Oh, and his skin. It's no wonder that he's sometimes known as His Orangeness by many :lol:
 
Winston said:
But, really nothing short of, I believe it was Chomsky in another thread who said, "download an entirely new set of life experiences that produce a different person".

He is so distasteful and repulsive even if he supported my agenda, I don't know if I could come around to supporting him.
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LOL!!

And yet, you just got done saying that if he supported one of the items on your agenda, you could overlook his flaws.

So...which is it?
 
Mycroft said:
LOL!!

And yet, you just got done saying that if he supported one of the items on your agenda, you could overlook his flaws.

So...which is it?
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I don't think I could ever support him, so the latter.


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KevinKohler said:
Look, I understand what you're saying, I do. I couldn't get away with acting that way at my job. However, I again have to ask, when's the last time you watched TV, or the news?
This country is chock full of people just like him, minus the yuge inheritance.
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You are right that on TV it's more common than "us regular folks", but networks and producers put those people on TV because they are TRAIN WRECKS that a portion of our population cannot turn away from. Trump capitalizes on this no doubt. Depends on what station and what kind of programming you watch. One exception was Steve Jobs...despite being the worlds biggest idiotic asshole, his ambition and helping that company, ushered in an era of "it's good to be an asshole!".

But to suggest that Trump's behavior is appropriate, or OK for POTUS, or that much of professional/business men and women conduct themselves as deplorably as Trump, is absurd.

And much of that on reality TV is an act. Trump is not acting!
 
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