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Anyone else reading Fire and Fury?

Can anyone just skip to the part where Trump tells Hicks that she is the best piece of tail Corey Lewandowski ever had?

Did Lewandowski have sex with Hope Hicks? I find that hard to believe.

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The Hamilton folks should make a musical about the Trump presidency once it's over.
 
YOu are kidding right?
Did you actually bother to read the article that you yourself linked?

Wolff is telling the truth. He's reporting what he was told, and expressing his own opinions based on his own observations.

Wolff is saying "the people I interviewed who worked at the White House were clearly lying to me. Here is what they said, figure out for yourself who was lying."

He's pointing out that the Trump White House is in total chaos, that there is a culture of lies, which starts at the top.

This should not surprise anyone, since the chaos is evident from previous reporting, and Trump's lies are called out on a daily basis.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/06/23/opinion/trumps-lies.html
 
Yeah, his explanation is there, but it's not all that convincing. He chose a method, because he's comfortable with it, but given the importance of the work he didn't serve himself well.

Probably trying to shift some of the blame for the things that arent true, you know, "CYA."

But I'm also sure there will be plenty of truth in there too. Like I wrote, should be interesting.
 
Do you not know that people don't go around recording everything that happens around them all the time? Of course he's got to talk to sources and in the Trump admin, a lot of sources are liars. That's not the killer defense of the admin or killer attack on the author you think it is.

What's especially stupid and dishonest about your spin is that right near the start of the book, the author apparently specifically explains all this. Why the **** would he do that if he was trying to hide something, if he was the one trying to fabricate things? He wouldn't because duh.

He's not a God, is he? No? Then he cannot just *know* what the absolute truth is the way certain DP posters think they just *know*. He has to work with what he has, and what he has is some less reliable sources and some more reliable sources.

:shrug:



From the source:

Michael Wolff, the author of "Fire and Fury: Inside the Trump White House," included a note at the start that casts significant doubt on the reliability of the specifics contained in the rest of its pages. Several of his sources, he says, were definitely lying to him, while some offered accounts that flatly contradicted those of others. But some were nonetheless included in the vivid account of the West Wing's workings, in a process Wolff describes as "allowing the reader to judge" whether the sources' claims are true. In other cases, the media columnist said, he did use his journalistic judgment and research to arrive at what he describes "a version of events I believe to be true." Here is the relevant part of the note, from the 10th page of the book's prologue:

"Many of the accounts of what has happened in the Trump White House are in conflict with one another; many, in Trumpian fashion, are baldly untrue. These conflicts, and that looseness with the truth, if not with reality itself, are an elemental thread of the book. Sometimes I have let the players offer their versions, in turn allowing the reader to judge them. In other instances I have, through a consistency in the accounts and through sources I have come to trust, settled on a version of events I believe to be true."

The book itself, reviewed by Business Insider from a copy acquired prior to its Friday publication, is not always clear about what level of confidence the author has in any particular assertion.


Michael Wolff note says he doesn't know if Trump book is all true - Business Insider


But hey....

The book makes the admin look bad, so it must be true, it must be written by a "liberal", and therefore you have given yourself (once again) the go-ahead to rant about "liberals".





look man, He put together a bunch of **** he knows to be untrue, says as much and you think his motives were altruistic? "in a process Wolff describes as "allowing the reader to judge" whether the sources' claims are true. " seriously? it's tabloid crap no matter what it's about. I can say **** like trump does not need this book to make the admin look bad, but you and your mindless ilk will constantly call me a trump supporter.

No sir, I am looking at this objectively. a guy posts a book filled with admitted lies, and you take it seriously. This is no better than birtherism. this is what you and your ilk are reduced to,.
 
Did you actually bother to read the article that you yourself linked?

Wolff is telling the truth. He's reporting what he was told, and expressing his own opinions based on his own observations.

Wolff is saying "the people I interviewed who worked at the White House were clearly lying to me. Here is what they said, figure out for yourself who was lying."

He's pointing out that the Trump White House is in total chaos, that there is a culture of lies, which starts at the top.

This should not surprise anyone, since the chaos is evident from previous reporting, and Trump's lies are called out on a daily basis.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/06/23/opinion/trumps-lies.html



Did you really link to the NY times pointing out trump lies? is that not the pot calling the kettle black.
 
look man, He put together a bunch of **** he knows to be untrue, says as much and you think his motives were altruistic? "in a process Wolff describes as "allowing the reader to judge" whether the sources' claims are true. " seriously? it's tabloid crap no matter what it's about. I can say **** like trump does not need this book to make the admin look bad, but you and your mindless ilk will constantly call me a trump supporter.

No sir, I am looking at this objectively. a guy posts a book filled with admitted lies, and you take it seriously. This is no better than birtherism. this is what you and your ilk are reduced to,.

Always with the "ilk".

Anyway, you're lying when you claimed it's "filled with admitted lies". He says he thinks several were lying, and he'll indicate which ones they are before he describes what they said. You have absolutely no idea how many pages that takes up, or even what they say.

You're just attacking because, well, I don't know. You seem to do it all the time in your posts. If identifiable with left, attack. If with the right, defend.

:shrug:
 
I got the Kindle version off Amazon and just finished the prologue. I have a feeling I'm not going to get anything else done today. I don't usually commit myself to reading books like this but I don't want to spend the next month hearing the media interpret and spoon feed chunks of it. I want to read it myself and decide what I think of it all without the middle men.

Now see I go the other way.....there does not seem to be a point to reading it, all the major stuff in it will be bandied about in the national conversation, and given what has been said already and given the author we already know what this book is about, the agenda that it is pushing.
 
Always with the "ilk".

Anyway, you're lying when you claimed it's "filled with admitted lies". He says he thinks several were lying, and he'll indicate which ones they are before he describes what they said. You have absolutely no idea how many pages that takes up, or even what they say.

You're just attacking because, well, I don't know. You seem to do it all the time in your posts. If identifiable with left, attack. If with the right, defend.

:shrug:




Why do you guys get all butthurt over "ilk" I will never understand. it means "like minded", nothing more, nothing less. I am lying about nothing, I quoted the relevant part showing that he knowingly has included lies in the book so I don't know what you are on about.
 
Why do you guys get all butthurt over "ilk" I will never understand. it means "like minded", nothing more, nothing less. I am lying about nothing, I quoted the relevant part showing that he knowingly has included lies in the book so I don't know what you are on about.

Words have connotations and "ilk" has a negative one.
 
look man, He put together a bunch of **** he knows to be untrue, says as much and you think his motives were altruistic? "in a process Wolff describes as "allowing the reader to judge" whether the sources' claims are true. " seriously? it's tabloid crap no matter what it's about. I can say **** like trump does not need this book to make the admin look bad, but you and your mindless ilk will constantly call me a trump supporter.

No sir, I am looking at this objectively. a guy posts a book filled with admitted lies, and you take it seriously. This is no better than birtherism. this is what you and your ilk are reduced to,.

It seems you're unable to understand what the book is.
 
My tits are at full tizzy and they will remain that way until Trump is no longer in office.
Without pics I'm calling it fake news :)

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I'm on the fence about it.

It sounds like a lot of people who talked to Wolff were lying and spinning all over the place, mostly as part of the daily knife fights inside the White House. He even openly admits that he strongly suspects people were lying to him, as accounts contradict one another, and he leaves it to the reader to decide what's true. That seems to be part of the point as well, that this is a White House in a perpetual state of chaos.

Also, I don't really need a book to tell me that the Trump White House is a total mess, or that Trump is unfit, or that he's a barely controllable idiot, or that everyone around him knows he's a barely controllable idiot.

At the same time, Trump is trying to stop people from reading it, so.... :mrgreen:
Im on the fence too. Trump denying it is expected imo so that's no indication of anything. The author does name names and that's keys to me. Those people need to verify they said those things. If they did and that's their opinion than so be it. People are free to decide if they believe them or not but no reason to attack the author if those people stand behind the books claims

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I'll certainly give Fire and Fury a read. I would also recommend....

Devil's Bargain: Steve Bannon, Donald Trump, And The Storming Of The Presidency
Joshua Green - Penguin Press - 2017 - 272pp

Explains how the Trump/Bannon coalition came to be and why Trump would not have been elected without Steve Bannon.
 
I got the Kindle version off Amazon and just finished the prologue. I have a feeling I'm not going to get anything else done today. I don't usually commit myself to reading books like this but I don't want to spend the next month hearing the media interpret and spoon feed chunks of it. I want to read it myself and decide what I think of it all without the middle men.

I'm reading 6 other books right now and that's about my limit. And besides I don't really need my opinion of Trump confirmed yet again.
 
Did you really link to the NY times pointing out trump lies?
Yep.


is that not the pot calling the kettle black.
Nope.

They documented every single reason why they categorized his statements as lies.

The sheer volume of lies out of Trump's mouth is extraordinary, even for a politician.
 
Why do you guys get all butthurt over "ilk" I will never understand. it means "like minded", nothing more, nothing less. I am lying about nothing, I quoted the relevant part showing that he knowingly has included lies in the book so I don't know what you are on about.

You quoted me quoting it. (Post 54)


And when you claim the book is "Filled with lies" you're lying. (Or BS'ing, I really don't care to argue the distinction). As I demonstrated, he comes right out and explains his suspicions and presentation methods.

Neither of us have the book, but from the way the article reads, he indicates what he thinks of a source's veracity and why when he presents a questionable source. And, the other times, he is presenting stuff that he corroborated with his own non-interview research or which other sources corroborate. You have no reason to think otherwise, and you most certainly have no idea what percentage of the words in the book come from the sources he thinks were lying.

And as other threads have indicated, he actually does have various documents and recordings of various interviews. Are the sources in those interviews lying? Well, that's kind of what he tried to work out. If a reader cannot understand that he is presenting a source he considers to be lying and that therefore they shouldn't assume it's true - should be careful themselves - that's on the reader.



So were you bull*****ing when you attacked the book and author, or lying? I don't care. Whatever it was, it wasn't honest and smells like knee-jerk.
 
Yep.



Nope.

They documented every single reason why they categorized his statements as lies.

The sheer volume of lies out of Trump's mouth is extraordinary, even for a politician.




Not nearly as extraordinary as the NY times.
 
Did you really link to the NY times pointing out trump lies? is that not the pot calling the kettle black.

:lamo




Another example that corroborates my characterization of your posts on this subject. You're just dismissing/attacking if it's "on the left", believing/defending if it's "on the right". It's more transparent than anything Obama ever did.
 
You quoted me quoting it. (Post 54)


And when you claim the book is "Filled with lies" you're lying. (Or BS'ing, I really don't care to argue the distinction). As I demonstrated, he comes right out and explains his suspicions and presentation methods.

Neither of us have the book, but from the way the article reads, he indicates what he thinks of a source's veracity and why when he presents a questionable source. And, the other times, he is presenting stuff that he corroborated with his own non-interview research or which other sources corroborate. You have no reason to think otherwise, and you most certainly have no idea what percentage of the words in the book come from the sources he thinks were lying.

And as other threads have indicated, he actually does have various documents and recordings of various interviews. Are the sources in those interviews lying? Well, that's kind of what he tried to work out. If a reader cannot understand that he is presenting a source he considers to be lying and that therefore they shouldn't assume it's true - should be careful themselves - that's on the reader.



So were you bull*****ing when you attacked the book and author, or lying? I don't care. Whatever it was, it wasn't honest and smells like knee-jerk.




Right, you go enjoy your tabloid garbage. have fun.
 
:lamo




Another example that corroborates my characterization of your posts on this subject. You're just dismissing/attacking if it's "on the left", believing/defending if it's "on the right". It's more transparent than anything Obama ever did.




left has nothing to do with it, it's the historic retractions the ny times and other media had to make since trump. stop being such a hyper partisan hack sometime, k?
 
Wrong. His books is full of quotes he got from people in the White House. Of course he can't guarantee that what they told him is true.

Translation: It's a book full of heresay
 
look man, He put together a bunch of **** he knows to be untrue, says as much and you think his motives were altruistic?
Trump's staff told him lies day in and day out. This is his way of pointing it out, and telling the reader that he doesn't believe everything he is being told.


"in a process Wolff describes as "allowing the reader to judge" whether the sources' claims are true. " seriously?
Seriously.

Wolff's sources constantly told him conflicting stories. Rather than pick sides in those knife fights, he wants to make it clear to the reader that these people lie constantly, either to serve their own agendas, or to undermine their rivals in the White House, or because that's how Trump operates. The idea is to give you a feel for the chaos, self-absorption and dysfunction of Trump's White House.


No sir, I am looking at this objectively. ...
No, you're not. You're just looking for an excuse to indulge in your routine past time of attacking leftists and others who are critical of Trump. Sad!
 
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