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Oregon's Freak-Out Over Pumping Your Own Gas...

trouble13 said:
If that's true it should not need to be a law. Gas stations will keep the attendants if there is enough of a demand for them to do it.

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Competition would eliminate the jobs.
 
radcen said:
I have connections to Oregon, also (family), and have always been told by them it was more about jobs.
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That was my understand when I lived there as well.
 
truthatallcost said:
From the article, one Portlandian wrote;

"Many people are not capable of knowing how to pump gas and the hazards of not doing it correctly. Besides I don't want to go to work smelling of gas when I get it on my hands or clothes. I agree Very bad idea.”

And another:

"I've lived in this state all my life and I REFUSE to pump my own gas. I had to do it once in California while visiting my brother and almost died doing it."

They must teach Social Justice and Political Science at Oregon State. :lamo
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In Oregon, all the dope-smoking hippies go to the University of Oregon, while all the alcoholic rednecks go to OSU.
 
Oborosen said:
Wait for what happens when their maids and gardeners can only come 2 days a week, instead of 3... the horror.
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My maid still comes in 4 days a week, the gardener is off for the winter, unless we get snow, then I'll have him drive in and shovel my sidewalk. I've been thinking about having him come in in the morning to scrape my windshield...
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A new law that took effect this week in Oregon will allow residents in rural counties to pump their own gas — a divergence from the state’s decades-long history of having attendants pump gas for drivers.

Under House Bill 2482, which took effect Monday, retailers in counties with a population of less than 40,000 are allowed to have self-service gas pumps. Drivers in 15 counties can now pump their own gas any time of day, while those in three other rural counties can do so after business hours, between 6 p.m. and 6 a.m.
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Lost in the jokes and online chatter, however, is that the law does not impose wide-ranging changes, meaning many Oregonians who don’t want to fill their own tanks won’t have to. HB 2482 does not require all gas stations in the state to have self-service pumps at all hours of the day. It simply gives retailers in sparsely populated communities, or about half of the states’ counties, the option to do so — and some have said they will continue their business practices regardless of the law.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-self-service-gas-law/?utm_term=.e07e461c6004
 
Lord of Planar said:
it has nothing to do with the complexities of pumping your own gas. I think the largest perk is not having to get in the rain to pump gas. The majority of Oregon's population is in the Willamette Valley, and it rains like hell at times. Nice to be able to give the attendant card or cash, and not have to walk inside, and wait in line to pay. The employment of an attendant adds so little to the gas price, and is a job many people are grateful to have.
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https://www.gasbuddy.com/GasPrices/Washington

https://www.gasbuddy.com/GasPrices/Oregon
 
holbritter said:
Doesn't sound like that from these comments:

"Many people are not capable of knowing how to pump gas and the hazards of not doing it correctly. Besides I don't want to go to work smelling of gas when I get it on my hands or clothes. I agree Very bad idea.”

And another:

"I've lived in this state all my life and I REFUSE to pump my own gas. I had to do it once in California while visiting my brother and almost died doing it.
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People from Medford - a city that's every bit as uber-liberal as Eugene or Portland.

Most of us look at this issue with the attitude that we like having someone else pump our gas in the winter, but would like to have the choice to pump it ourselves the rest of the year. If someone put forth a proposition that when the temp dropped below 40, gas stations would be required to pump your gas for you and the rest of the time, you could pump it yourself and that law would get passed in heartbeat.
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BlackMatters said:
Who cares about Oregenians. Easily one of the most hateful/racist people you’ll ever meet.
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Is this from your vast personal experience interacting with folks in Oregon or simply your uneducated opinion?
 
One more issue that most states don't face on this front is that ADA (Americans with Disabilities Act) requires that gas stations have someone available to pump for people who meet ADA standards. In Oregon, the ADA is HUGE deal (people have sued cities over isolated sidewalks that didn't meet ADA requirements), so there is a legal requirement for an attendant at all times the business is open who can pump gas for those folks. Although how someone who can't pump their own gas but can drive is beyond me.
 
Lord of Planar said:
it has nothing to do with the complexities of pumping your own gas. I think the largest perk is not having to get in the rain to pump gas. The majority of Oregon's population is in the Willamette Valley, and it rains like hell at times. Nice to be able to give the attendant card or cash, and not have to walk inside, and wait in line to pay. The employment of an attendant adds so little to the gas price, and is a job many people are grateful to have.
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The law does not prevent that option in any way. If such a change reduces total sales then, obviously, that retailer will revert to employing pump attendants. Most retailers with gas pumps make very little by simply selling the gas - they make much more money from other sales which depend on the customers getting out of their vehicles, entering the store and buying higher profit goods.
 
faithful_servant said:
One more issue that most states don't face on this front is that ADA (Americans with Disabilities Act) requires that gas stations have someone available to pump for people who meet ADA standards. In Oregon, the ADA is HUGE deal (people have sued cities over isolated sidewalks that didn't meet ADA requirements), so there is a legal requirement for an attendant at all times the business is open who can pump gas for those folks. Although how someone who can't pump their own gas but can drive is beyond me.
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They modify vans for people with severe disabilities including paraplegic people with limited hand motion to be able to drive using hand controls for the accelerator and brake. It would take them probably 20 minutes to get out and back in after pumping gas themselves

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https://www.mda.org/quest/article/declare-your-independence-wheelchair-accessible-vehicle
 
faithful_servant said:
People from Medford - a city that's every bit as uber-liberal as Eugene or Portland.

Most of us look at this issue with the attitude that we like having someone else pump our gas in the winter, but would like to have the choice to pump it ourselves the rest of the year. If someone put forth a proposition that when the temp dropped below 40, gas stations would be required to pump your gas for you and the rest of the time, you could pump it yourself and that law would get passed in heartbeat.
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Now that's having your cake and eating it too! Good idea :)
 
faithful_servant said:
Sorry, but that's wrong. Everywhere I get gas, most of the people getting diesel get out and pump their own.
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Sorry, you are wrong in my fairly extensive experience, as entire caravans of us go to and from horse shows in OR and go to the stations and they NEVER let us pump our own diesel.
 
Lord of Planar said:
Competition would eliminate the jobs.
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If customers want to keep full service and use full service stations, they will remain open without the law. Otherwise the law is creating an artifical market.

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Lursa said:
Sorry, you are wrong in my fairly extensive experience, as entire caravans of us go to and from horse shows in OR and go to the stations and they NEVER let us pump our own diesel.
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It's legal to do so, but it is up to the station owners whether they will allow you to. I fuel at Fred Meyer and they have no issue with it. Other stations may have an issue. Oregon's law only applies to Class I flammable liquids and diesel is a Class II.
 
faithful_servant said:
It's legal to do so, but it is up to the station owners whether they will allow you to. I fuel at Fred Meyer and they have no issue with it. Other stations may have an issue. Oregon's law only applies to Class I flammable liquids and diesel is a Class II.
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Thank you for the clarification.
 
trouble13 said:
If customers want to keep full service and use full service stations, they will remain open without the law. Otherwise the law is creating an artifical market.

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So, for a 4 cent drop per gallon, you want to pump your own gas? Meanwhile, jobs will be lost and those who want someone else to pump it would probably pay 15 cents more per gallon, and have a long wait as there might only be one person at the station, who is busy selling lottery tickets.

Do you really want to do that to the disabled, elderly, and beautiful women going out in their party attire when it's raining?
 
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