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AIDS activists denounce Trump

TurtleDude said:
I don't recall anyone claiming Trump was a racist until he threatened the coronation of the lying bitch. same with the claims of pervert. anyone who is successful will be called a con artist or thief by some.
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There's a meme for that!

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calamity said:
For being a general douche on gay issues and this.



Looks to me like what critics said about Trump and his distaste for supporting anything LGBT was true after all. Chalk one up for the realists.
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Maybe the aids activists should denounce the members of the council that resigned in protest. Aren't they the ones that stopped any work the council was doing?
 
calamity said:
For being a general douche on gay issues and this.



Looks to me like what critics said about Trump and his distaste for supporting anything LGBT was true after all. Chalk one up for the realists.
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Did any of these activists vote for President Trump? Or, were they going hate-and-piss-and-moan no matter what?
 
What a shock. Leftists expressing poutrage, hypocrisy, and double standards...

“Changing the makeup of federal advisory committee members is a common occurrence during administration changes,” Hayes said in the statement. “The Obama administration dismissed the George W. Bush administration appointees to PACHA in order to bring in new voices. All PACHA members are eligible to apply to serve on the new council that will be convened in 2018.”
 
calamity said:
Looks to me like what critics said about Trump and his distaste for supporting anything LGBT was true after all. Chalk one up for the realists.
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HIV is largely a behavioral disease. IV drug addicts are at a high risk of getting both HIV and hepatitis. Not to mention there is a strong statistical correlation between people diagnosed with hepatitis and people diagnosed with HIV. I mean by that its not uncommon that people diagnosed with HIV often are dually diagnosed with hepatitis too.

So, how is it HIV is not behavioral for LGBT but behavioral for IV drug users?

And that this indicates that active male homosexuality is not a necessarily healthy life choice. If I remember correctly, IV drug users actually have a slightly lower HIV rate than black male homosexuals or black males that have sex with other males. Again, in Milwaukee, black males that have sex with other black males, according to statistics are infected with HIV at rate of over 40% and close to 50%.

I'm betting that strokes and heart attacks by black crack addicts run at less than 10% and I would bet its closer to about 3% or 5%. Yet, they claim crack is so destructive to health that they have to put people that use it in jail or even prison.

Part of why male homosexuals contract HIV at a far higher rate than heterosexual males is because women act as the slammed breaks on male heterosexual's lives. In other words heterosexual will screw any and everything but women won't and aren't as sexually promiscuous as men. However, homosexual men are still men, and think with their penises like heterosexual men, and no women are slamming breaks on them because homosexual men screw other men, and men relative women often screw any and everything. Even gay men will tell you having sex with other gay men is easy. Really, its one mouse click away. Not that *all* gay men are sexually promiscuous like this but the vast majority are.
 
FastPace said:
HIV is largely a behavioral disease. IV drug addicts are at a high risk of getting both HIV and hepatitis. Not to mention there is a strong statistical correlation between people diagnosed with hepatitis and people diagnosed with HIV. I mean by that its not uncommon that people diagnosed with HIV often are dually diagnosed with hepatitis too.

So, how is it HIV is not behavioral for LGBT but behavioral for IV drug users?

And that this indicates that active male homosexuality is not a necessarily healthy life choice. If I remember correctly, IV drug users actually have a slightly lower HIV rate than black male homosexuals or black males that have sex with other males. Again, in Milwaukee, black males that have sex with other black males, according to statistics are infected with HIV at rate of over 40% and close to 50%.

I'm betting that strokes and heart attacks by black crack addicts run at less than 10% and I would bet its closer to about 3% or 5%. Yet, they claim crack is so destructive to health that they have to put people that use it in jail or even prison.

Part of why male homosexuals contract HIV at a far higher rate than heterosexual males is because women act as the slammed breaks on male heterosexual's lives. In other words heterosexual will screw any and everything but women won't and aren't as sexually promiscuous as men. However, homosexual men are still men, and think with their penises like heterosexual men, and no women are slamming breaks on them because homosexual men screw other men, and men relative women often screw any and everything. Even gay men will tell you having sex with other gay men is easy. Really, its one mouse click away. Not that *all* gay men are sexually promiscuous like this but the vast majority are.
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In the US, it is mostly a disease spread among men who have sex with men. So?

I think you made my point. Thanks.
 
holbritter said:
This 'firing' was discussed and I found out from others, that what he did is no different than any other President when they take office. I'll have to look for the other thread to find the link.
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The "other" guy didn't fire all the gay people from the HIV council.
 
calamity said:
The "other" guy didn't fire all the gay people from the HIV council.
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I deleted my comment after I saw others address it the same way. But I guess you saw it sooner than that. In any case, HIV hit the gay community the most, so it would make sense that there were mostly gay people on the council. Getting rid of them, imo, had nothing to do with the fact they were gay. Trump can be a dick on a lot of things, but I don't think he is anti-gay.
 
holbritter said:
I deleted my comment after I saw others address it the same way. But I guess you saw it sooner than that. In any case, HIV hit the gay community the most, so it would make sense that there were mostly gay people on the council. Getting rid of them, imo, had nothing to do with the fact they were gay. Trump can be a dick on a lot of things, but I don't think he is anti-gay.
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As I said to Turtle, if he was pro-gay, he would not have picked anti-gay Pence as his VP. At the very least, Trump is indifferent to gays and their rights.
 
calamity said:
For being a general douche on gay issues and this.



Looks to me like what critics said about Trump and his distaste for supporting anything LGBT was true after all. Chalk one up for the realists.
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I don't think there's been an explanation yet (not a public one at any rate) for why the committee was disbanded. But, I think it's a bit quick to think it has to be anti-gay sentiment. As I understand, they were sent a letter -- I've not seen where the contents of that letter have been printed.

That said -- perhaps (just a guess) the committee was leaning more toward funding breakouts in other nations and not our own -- we have a very small HIV/AIDS population in comparison to other countries.

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That doesn't mean we shouldn't be aware and proactive, but it might mean that the committee was in conflict with the CDC or other US health organizations.

Since Trump said even during his campaign that same-sex marriage was here to stay -- and that he didn't plan to oppose it -- I find it hard to immediately assume he's anti-gay when something like this happens.
 
calamity said:
As I said to Turtle, if he was pro-gay, he would not have picked anti-gay Pence as his VP. At the very least, Trump is indifferent to gays and their rights.
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He's indifferent to other groups and people as well, so I agree with the indifferent part. I'm indifferent to religious groups. Doesn't mean I'm against them.

I don't see two choices here. Not being anti-gay doesn't mean you are automatically pro-gay, does it? I guess that's a different subject for a different thread.
 
calamity said:
As I said to Turtle, if he was pro-gay, he would not have picked anti-gay Pence as his VP. At the very least, Trump is indifferent to gays and their rights.
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You choose someone not just on ONE reason, but on many. I never would have chosen Pence, but Trump did. I'm guessing to assuage his far-right constituency. I'd much rather have Trump than Pence in the Oval Office, and I hope we don't ever have to find out what a Pence presidency would be like.

But, it doesn't mean Trump is anti-gay because he chose him. It means he chose Pence for political reasons. When picking a running mate, I doubt candidates really look too closely at individual agendas but rather how the whole package would benefit the ticket.
 
holbritter said:
He's indifferent to other groups and people as well, so I agree with the indifferent part. I'm indifferent to religious groups. Doesn't mean I'm against them.

I don't see two choices here. Not being anti-gay doesn't mean you are automatically pro-gay, does it? I guess that's a different subject for a different thread.
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That's a very good point.
 
holbritter said:
He's indifferent to other groups and people as well, so I agree with the indifferent part. I'm indifferent to religious groups. Doesn't mean I'm against them.

I don't see two choices here. Not being anti-gay doesn't mean you are automatically pro-gay, does it? I guess that's a different subject for a different thread.
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Throwing them (gays) under the bus is what I see him doing. Pence, Gorsuch, repeated prayer breakfasts with anti-gay ministers are a few glaring examples.
 
TurtleDude said:
Trump's been in the public eye as long as the Clintons, and much longer than Obama. and until he became president, no one ever accused him of being anti gay, anti semitic etc.
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He has been accused of making questionable statements towards Jewish people
 
TurtleDude said:
Trump's been in the public eye as long as the Clintons, and much longer than Obama. and until he became president, no one ever accused him of being anti gay, anti semitic etc.
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well, anyone with half a brain would realize that Trump had no real ability to influence policy in regard to the gay community, the Jewish community, etc. ............. until he became POTUS ..........
 
cuban smokes said:
well, anyone with half a brain would realize that Trump had no real ability to influence policy in regard to the gay community, the Jewish community, etc. ............. until he became POTUS ..........
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