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Right-wing hypocrisy

theisthanger556 said:
I would say that most politically active conservatives do these things.

My point wasn't really whether they are anti-progress or pro-progress, the problem was that they blame leftists for being politically correct, yet they themselves have kind of a politically correct version of their ideas (such as traditionalist instead of anti-progress).
I wasn't really critizing conservatism as an ideology, but rather the hypocritical conservatives.

About dictators, most politically active conservatives/right-libertarians do tend to "joke" about "free helicopter rides", there is even a song written about "needing Pinochet to sentence all the leftists to die".

And about your gun reply, I meant that if someone publically opposes guns, they will throw a tantrum about it. Can say this from experience, although I don't live in the US.

The term "feminazi", while not being necessariily used that much, definetly belongs to the vocabulary of every politically active conservative. "Communist", "SJW", "Cuck" and "Libtard" are used quite a lot withing conservative circles.
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I don't know of any generally known politically active conservatives, as opposed to anonymous mooks who post online sometimes, who say the things you allege. Maybe you could come up with some specific examples. I'll wait here.
 
LowDown said:
These are good points, but I bridle at the idea that "the majority" of conservatives say these things. Most conservatives do not use the term "feminazi" or whatever.

You'd have to go back to the Cold War to find conservatives who favored dictators, and they did that because the dictators were anti-communists, and America was trying to keep their countries in our orbit. These days it's the liberals who seem to favor dictators -- the Castros, Hugo Chavez, the Mullahs in Iran, etc. -- and why they do this isn't entirely clear; it doesn't support American national security. I can't think of a dictator who conservatives favor these days. No, we conservatives don't like Putin, either.

Conservatives make no bones about opposing progress for the sake of progress. Yes, they tend to want to stick with things we know work. I'd say that's pretty central to the concept of conservatism.

American conservatives are not monarchists. If we currently had a monarch they might be depending on the nature of the monarch. In the traditions of the Anglosphere a monarch has to be bound by the rule of law in the same way the British monarchy is. A monarch who is a dictator would not be tolerated.

Most conservatives don't "throw tantrums" about gun rights. They organize and get out the vote.
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How many conservatives are willing to take on the repulsive, terrorist supporting, human rights abusing monarchy in Saudi Arabia and how many just want to sell them weapons, get their oil and turn a blind eye?
 
Yes_Minister said:
How many conservatives are willing to take on the repulsive, terrorist supporting, human rights abusing monarchy in Saudi Arabia and how many just want to sell them weapons, get their oil and turn a blind eye?
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The desire to sell stuff to the Saudis and buy their oil cuts across party lines, I think. Maybe you missed the episode where Obama bowed low to the Saudi monarch.

You can play at virtue signaling about this stuff, but when the rubber hits the road we all know what's really going to matter.
 
LowDown said:
The desire to sell stuff to the Saudis and buy their oil cuts across party lines, I think. Maybe you missed the episode where Obama bowed low to the Saudi monarch.

You can play at virtue signaling about this stuff, but when the rubber hits the road we all know what's really going to matter.
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The inaction of others is a gross excuse for your own inaction, you claim conservatives support small government and freedom, do they look for excuses to give Saudi Arabia a free pass?

I think the Denmocrat party is full of neo liberal hacks, real progressives think the Saudi Arabian government should be taken to task, do conservatives agree or disagree with that?
 
Yes_Minister said:
The inaction of others is a gross excuse for your own inaction, you claim conservatives support small government and freedom, do they look for excuses to give Saudi Arabia a free pass?

I think the Denmocrat party is full of neo liberal hacks, real progressives think the Saudi Arabian government should be taken to task, do conservatives agree or disagree with that?
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Unfortunately Realpolitik forces ugly compromises which are clearly hypocritical. Enough Conservatives did it by voting in Trump. Too many Liberals didn't do it and thus refused to vote in Hillary. Perfect example.
 
Vetplus40 said:
"While" = "White". A simple typo, but you get the jest.
As far as it being "amazing" what people think, I think that it is equally amazing that typical tRump voter can't.
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Thanks for the correction.
So, you liked Obama because he is an oppressed black man then.
Interesting....
 
calamity said:
Unfortunately Realpolitik forces ugly compromises which are clearly hypocritical. Enough Conservatives did it by voting in Trump. Too many Liberals didn't do it and thus refused to vote in Hillary. Perfect example.
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I am sorry, but I think the Saudi government is too awful to ignore. Most of the 9/11 hijackers were Saudi (there's a reason for that). Look at their actions in Yemen. They spread extremism across thee Middle East by funding extreme groups and schools that promote extremism and their regime is awful when it comes to human rights. This regime objectively awful in every way you think of and it is a parasite on Saudi Arabia and the Middle East itself.
 
Yes_Minister said:
The inaction of others is a gross excuse for your own inaction, you claim conservatives support small government and freedom, do they look for excuses to give Saudi Arabia a free pass?

I think the Denmocrat party is full of neo liberal hacks, real progressives think the Saudi Arabian government should be taken to task, do conservatives agree or disagree with that?
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This conservative agrees that the Saudi's have been at the core of most of the strife in the Middle East.
 
Yes_Minister said:
The inaction of others is a gross excuse for your own inaction, you claim conservatives support small government and freedom, do they look for excuses to give Saudi Arabia a free pass?

I think the Denmocrat party is full of neo liberal hacks, real progressives think the Saudi Arabian government should be taken to task, do conservatives agree or disagree with that?
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All full of virtue huffing and puffing, you are.

There are conservatives who hate the Saudis because they support Wahabbi activities, which includes terrorism, and they have little use for a medieval government. I don't recall any president of either party taking concrete actions to stop that.

The Saudis send the Wahabbis out to get rid of them and keep the Crown stable. Saudi royals have no use for them, but they have to deal with them somehow. It's not clear how the new King will do this, but indications are that the gravy train for the Wahabbis is going to come to an end. We can only hope that works out.

Held in the balance is the energy and economic security of the whole world.

The Saudi royals will play ball with us, at least. Whoever replaces them will likely be a lot worse. Or maybe you have forgotten the fiasco that the fall of the Shah of Iran was for the US? We are still dealing with the consequences of that.
 
ColdWarVet said:
Thanks for the correction.
So, you liked Obama because he is an oppressed black man then.
Interesting....
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(1) It was an explanation of typo. (2) The posting content simply pointed out hypocrisy that you feel the need to either defend or that which you simply do not recognize or understand. As such, I will try and simplify it for you:

As our first BLACK president, Obama was held to a higher standard because of skin color. If your perception of the world prevents you from seeing this, then there is little that I can tell you from this point. If you are "open" to the possibility, then may I suggest that you read Arthur Ashe's book for a better understanding of what it might have been like for Obama. Ashe points out what is was like to be BLACK in the WHITE world of professional tennis.
 
LowDown said:
All full of virtue huffing and puffing, you are.

There are conservatives who hate the Saudis because they support Wahabbi activities, which includes terrorism, and they have little use for a medieval government. I don't recall any president of either party taking concrete actions to stop that.

The Saudis send the Wahabbis out to get rid of them and keep the Crown stable. Saudi royals have no use for them, but they have to deal with them somehow. It's not clear how the new King will do this, but indications are that the gravy train for the Wahabbis is going to come to an end. We can only hope that works out.

Held in the balance is the energy and economic security of the whole world.

The Saudi royals will play ball with us, at least. Whoever replaces them will likely be a lot worse. Or maybe you have forgotten the fiasco that the fall of the Shah of Iran was for the US? We are still dealing with the consequences of that.
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Is Huffing and Puffing having actual moral convictions instead being a flip flopping neo liberal sell out like Hilliary Clinton? I don't care if any President has not taken action against Saudi Arabia, that does not mean its not the right think to do.

Would there have been a revolution in Iran if the US and the UK were not involved in a coup there in the 50s? These crappy governments in the Middle East encourage extremism and anti western feelings, blaming the West for the people's problems and the fact that the West supports these regimes means the people in these countries can blame the West for their oppression. These governments are parasites on the region.

You seem to be making excuses for the Saudi regime, how strong are your convictions?
 
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Yes_Minister said:
I am sorry, but I think the Saudi government is too awful to ignore. Most of the 9/11 hijackers were Saudi (there's a reason for that). Look at their actions in Yemen. They spread extremism across thee Middle East by funding extreme groups and schools that promote extremism and their regime is awful when it comes to human rights. This regime objectively awful in every way you think of and it is a parasite on Saudi Arabia and the Middle East itself.
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I certainly agree, but the politics of oil trumps all the feel-good crap obviously.
 
Vetplus40 said:
(1) It was an explanation of typo. (2) The posting content simply pointed out hypocrisy that you feel the need to either defend or that which you simply do not recognize or understand. As such, I will try and simplify it for you:

As our first BLACK president, Obama was held to a higher standard because of skin color. If your perception of the world prevents you from seeing this, then there is little that I can tell you from this point. If you are "open" to the possibility, then may I suggest that you read Arthur Ashe's book for a better understanding of what it might have been like for Obama. Ashe points out what is was like to be BLACK in the WHITE world of professional tennis.
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Not to worry. I understand you very well.
 
calamity said:
I certainly agree, but the politics of oil trumps all the feel-good crap obviously.
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Had option B won. Do you think the official policy on Saudia Arabia would be any different.
 
Chillfolks said:
Had option B won. Do you think the official policy on Saudia Arabia would be any different.
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Of course not. We are SA's bitch. Oil, again.
 
Skeptic Bob said:
Yes, there is a lot of hypocrisy on the right. There is a lot on the left too. Most people, in general, are hypocritical at times,
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Do as I say, not as I do.
 
theisthanger556 said:
Is it just me or does the majority of the modern right-wing, especially American conservatives, seem extremely hypocritical?

They blame liberals for being politically correct, yet they themselves are kind of politically correct as well.

By this I mean that for an example, instead of being anti-choice, they are pro-life (because those who are pro-choice are anti-life???) or instead of being anti-progress, they are "traditionalist".

They also blame leftists for calling "everyone that they disagree a Nazi", while themselves making up terms such as Feminazi or Islamonazi.

As well as critizing how "leftists can't stand different opinions", yet throwing a tantrum when someone claims to be anti-gun.

This can also be seen in libertarians and AnCaps. Claiming to support "minarchy" and "freedom", while at the same time "ironically" supporting a dictator who threw political dissidents off of helicopters.

Just something I noticed.
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The fact is that there is very little difference in the Democratic and Republican parties. Both seek to use government to force their agenda's on the population against their will.

The only legitimate government possible is one that does not repress and rob its people by force.
 
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