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Who will Trump Begot?

Nixon begot Carter; Carter, Reagan.

"W" begot Obama; Obama, Trump.

Who will the orange buffoon bring to the forefront?

Trump might beget a third party or even a fourth party race in 2020. Pretty certain an establishment Republican will run. If so, you may see a mainstream democrat like Bloomberg take a shot, if the party puts up a hard left candidate such as Sanders.
 
Pence or Cruz. The democratic party will be dead by 2024. If Trump implodes before 2020 then probably Cruz and not Pence. If neither, whomever the media dislikes the most.
 
Trump might beget a third party or even a fourth party race in 2020. Pretty certain an establishment Republican will run. If so, you may see a mainstream democrat like Bloomberg take a shot, if the party puts up a hard left candidate such as Sanders.

We need a party made up of both moderate Republicans and centrist Democrats. That would then be a viable third party a lot of people could support.

I even have a name for it: the Compromise Party
 
We need a party made up of both moderate Republicans and centrist Democrats. That would then be a viable third party a lot of people could support.

I even have a name for it: the Compromise Party

The Democratic Party is already centrist. The problem is that moderate Republicans have disappeared.
 
The Democratic Party is already centrist. The problem is that moderate Republicans have disappeared.

Of that I agree. Problem is that leftists have no real place to go. So, they try to push forth a problem candidate like Sanders. Not that the Centrists hit it out of the park with Hillary. :lol:

On the other side of the aisle, moderate R's still think the D is run by leftists. So, they often vote for morons just so as not to vote D. See the Alabama 2017 special election for the perfect example of that.
 
Of that I agree. Problem is that leftists have no real place to go. So, they try to push forth a problem candidate like Sanders. Not that the Centrists hit it out of the park with Hillary. :lol:

On the other side of the aisle, moderate R's still think the D is run by leftists. So, they often vote for morons just so as not to vote D. See the Alabama 2017 special election for the perfect example of that.

Sander rose on his own, he wasn't pushed - certainly not by the party, he was grass roots all the way. At the end he was pushed out.
 
Good thread.

Who Democrats will turn to in 2020 is a serious question. It's a problem. Kennedy, Carter, Clinton, Obama were dynamic, youngish candidates with voter appeal. No one like them is on the party's horizon today.

Booker is positioning himself.

Although I can't stand to watch him in interviews.
 
Sander rose on his own, he wasn't pushed - certainly not by the party, he was grass roots all the way. At the end he was pushed out.

Rightfully so, you know, since he wasn't even a democrat. He was an interloper. I do not blame the party for sabotaging his campaign.
 
Booker is positioning himself.

Although I can't stand to watch him in interviews.

Booker no. Gillibrand or Harris, yes.
 
I want someone who plain talks instead of bloviated pablum politician speak. Someone who talks unabashedly about their positions like this lady does.


 
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95% of the American MSM wanted Trump to lose in 2016, and directed their coverage to favor his opponents. Yet teh Rushins stoled teh elekshun!
Do you realize how bad that makes your side look if it were really true?

95% of the time you use percentages you've pulled that percentage out of your butt.
 
We need a party made up of both moderate Republicans and centrist Democrats. That would then be a viable third party a lot of people could support.

I even have a name for it: the Compromise Party

Agree with everything but the name. I agree on compromise, just don't like it as a party name. Need to stand for something other than compromise not compromise for compromise sake IMO.
 
Nixon begot Carter; Carter, Reagan.

"W" begot Obama; Obama, Trump.

Who will the orange buffoon bring to the forefront?

Rest assured a cabal of Goldman Sachs execs will still run the white house, same as it ever was.
 
Why not 2020?

For 2 reasons;

1. Democratic voters are in a tug of between hard line progressives and the business-as-usual, big money shot caller D's.

2. Lack of message. 'Vote for us because Trump is the bad man', probably isn't going to be enough to take back the WH in 2020.
 
Nixon begot Carter; Carter, Reagan.

"W" begot Obama; Obama, Trump.

Who will the orange buffoon bring to the forefront?

I actually think it's possible that a far left president could be elected right after Trump. We saw the rise of Bernie Sanders even after 8 years of a Democrat in office. With Trump and his alt right goons like Bannon causing havoc...I could see a potential backlash that could turn things very much towards the left.
 
Trump's job is to set it all up: alienate all our allies, egg on our enemies, inflate all the bubbles; and then ride off into the sunset, leaving the big mess to the Democrat. Then, the morons on the Right will say, "See, the Democrat messed everything up."

See Bush-Obama for latest example of this MO.

Trump once somewhat acknowledged this himself back when he didn't have to pretend to be a Republican:

you basically have Trump here admitting that economies tend to do better under Democrat presidents compared to Republicans, and he himself admitting that Republicans have had some disastrous economies.
 
Hard to say or tell. Candidates must decide themselves nowadays whether to run or not. Who will rise up and challenge? Who knows? It's hard to tell what type of candidate America will be ready for. Carter won because folks wanted a more honest and truthful president than Nixon. Carter, a religious man, an honest one fit the bill.

Carter proved to be inept in many areas, honest, truthful, but inept. Along came the cowboy. America was tired of being the loser, Vietnam, Iran Hostages, high oil and gas prices, they went with someone opposite of Carter. Someone who many thought was a risk taker, but one who would challenge our enemies.

W. brought moral values to the White House to replace the immoral Bill Clinton. With the economy in recession, Obama offered hope and change. People tired of Obama policies, not so much the man, they tired of business as usual in Washington, taking care of the lobbyist, the corporations, wall street firms, the mega money donors to each party, Trump appealed as an outsider. Much like Jimmy Carter was an outsider along to a certain extent, so too was Bill Clinton.

We probably go back to an insider politician. Someone who has been in politics all their lives without having a real job. An establishment candidate who doesn't make waves. One who smiles, has a persona of a used car salesman instead of an ogre. Whom that will be is any one guess.

I'd argue that Trump has the personality of both a used care salesman and an ogre.
 
I'd argue that Trump has the personality of both a used care salesman and an ogre.

LOL, possible come to think of it. But the used car salesman doesn't go around throwing temper tantrums like a four year old or calling people names like a five year old whose parents failed to teach them any manners. A used car salesmen doesn't create feuds, but tries to entice one and everyone to buy his cars. He may lie and down right deceive, but does so with a smile that makes one want to believe him.
 
LOL, possible come to think of it. But the used car salesman doesn't go around throwing temper tantrums like a four year old or calling people names like a five year old whose parents failed to teach them any manners. A used car salesmen doesn't create feuds, but tries to entice one and everyone to buy his cars. He may lie and down right deceive, but does so with a smile that makes one want to believe him.

Trump is a used car salesman in the sense that he can sell whatever crap to the low information masses that he pleases. He's excellent at pandering to different crowds. He can be a conservative one moment, a nationalist another moment, a liberal another moment, and even socialist at other times. Trump is the master at manipulating people into buying his product.
 
Trump is a used car salesman in the sense that he can sell whatever crap to the low information masses that he pleases. He's excellent at pandering to different crowds. He can be a conservative one moment, a nationalist another moment, a liberal another moment, and even socialist at other times. Trump is the master at manipulating people into buying his product.

I don't think Trump himself has a political ideology. As you stated, he can be whatever to whomever. His lifelong held political views were quite liberal. Then he changed a few to run as a Republican. Exactly what he is, I doubt if Trump himself knows. He does however know how to keep his base happy. Exactly how many are buying what he is selling, certainly less than half of all America.

Remember he won with basically 35% of the GOP primary vote. Once Trump cinched the nomination the bandwagon effect up his percentage to 40%. He did have the largest faction of supporters among Republicans, but not even close to half of the GOP. But because of the R next to his name, most voted for him in the general. Trump received 88% of the Republican base vote, Romney in 2012 received 93%. The key is Trump won the general election with 46% of the total vote. Now exit polls shows half of that 46% were anti-Clinton voters. For them any Tom, Dick or Harry would have done. As long as their name was Hillary Clinton. That means 23% of all America voted for Trump because they wanted him to win. Another 23% voted for Trump because they wanted Hillary Clinton to lose, not necessarily they wanted Trump to win. Trump was the lesser of two evils, the least worst candidate. Another six percent voted third party against both major party candidates.

http://www.cnn.com/election/results/exit-polls

Or as someone put it which I like. Trump was an unknown, a businessman, not a politician, folks really didn't know him or how he would govern. Trump was the devil you didn't know. Everyone knew Hillary Clinton and what she would do, how she would govern. Hillary was the devil you knew. America opted for the devil they didn't know. I firmly believe Trump was one lucky SOB in running against Hillary Clinton. That any other democrat would have beaten him in a cakewalk. I don't think the Democrats realized how much Hillary was disliked by America as a whole. There were warning signs out there. In February of 2016 a poll showed 56% of all Americans wanted the Democrats to nominate someone other than Clinton. Of course all Americans don't choose the democratic nominee. Democrats do. But the warnings were there all the time. Just ignored and for the most part, never covered.
 
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