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Every Leftist Voted Against Pro-Growth Middle Class Tax Cut [W:139]

We are going an extra $1 trillion in deficit spending for this money. I bet you think your credit card spending is your money too.

Math. Learn it.

If the left were buying votes, this number would be meaningless to them...

But the increase in economic activity will lift all boats. Even liberal ones. So the left can be obstructionist, and keep more money, spend more money, help the economy and just keep right on bitchin'.... :roll:

Tax revenues increase when the economy does well. Democrats don't seem to get that lesson at all. But if they want to import 3 million illegals, then kattie bar the door, then trillions more would naturally be in order.. :roll:
 
You are clearly not thinking straight tonight.

We'll let DP determine who is thinking straight tonight, Moderate Right, with your personal attacks on another man's WIFE ...
 
If the left were buying votes, this number would be meaningless to them...

But the increase in economic activity will lift all boats. Even liberal ones. So the left can be obstructionist, and keep more money, spend more money, help the economy and just keep right on bitchin'.... :roll:

Tax revenues increase when the economy does well. Democrats don't seem to get that lesson at all. But if they want to import 3 million illegals, then kattie bar the door, then trillions more would naturally be in order.. :roll:

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What increases economic activity... supply or demand?
 
And I've already explained how it does.



I can't say anything about your specific situation, nor do I expect you to tell us about your own financial condition.

That said, millions of people are, in fact, poorer because of the things that have made the wealthy even wealthier. Let's review a few.

1) Repeated tax cuts for the wealthy exert pressure to cut social safety nets.
2) The wealthy largely get and stay wealthy as a result of asset changes and manipulations. Let's see how this makes other people poorer.

a) Pressure for short-term stock gains pushes corporations to lay off staff.
b) It pushes corporations to move labor offshore.
c) It pushes corporations to automate heavily.
d) It pushes financial companies to increase their own risks, which are contagious, and can hurt the entire economy (e.g. financial collapse in 2007, did you forget that one already?)
e) Obviously, it encourages big companies to engage in fraud and take advantage of poor and middle-class people.

3) As the wealthy keep getting their way, they routinely remove protections for citizens, ranging from rolling back consumer protections, to rolling back critical regulations, to allowing corporations to pollute at will.

4) There is lots of evidence that income inequality reduces growth. And yes, that means it will ultimately hurt everyone, though it will clearly hit the poor more than the wealthy.

It is a fantasy to imagine that you are completely immune from any ill effects of the further deterioration of the economic condition of the entire nation.



This latest tax bill makes it very clear that Republicans have been bought and paid for. Don't even kid yourself on that score.

Along those lines: No one was lobbying Democrats to expand Medicaid spending, or to tighten up Medicare rules in order to make it more efficient. No one lobbied Obama to expand national monuments. No one lobbied Obama or Congress to create the Consumer Protection Bureau. No one lobbied Obama and Congress to increase the top marginal tax rate by 3%. The Koch Brothers did not throw millions at Democrats with the expectation they would get their way with them.

The Democrats (and few remaining conservatives and Republicans with backbones) are certainly not perfect, and the reality is that there is no way to win elections without big donors. That said, the past year -- especially this tax bill -- lays bare the corruption of the Republicans.



lol

No, there is not a big pot of dollars sitting in the clouds, where only a limited number rains down every year. However, it is a reality that the rich are getting richer now, not because of their own work, but because they keep bribing legislators into cutting their taxes.



That's not even remotely correct.

Bill Gates is no longer drawing a salary from any company. When Bill Gates "gets another million," these days that's because Microsoft (or some other stock he holds) has risen in value. By definition, this means that his net worth has increased because of work that thousands of other people have done. Absolutely nothing about that process confers any benefit whatsoever on John Smith, whoever he may be.

Smith may not directly lose money -- but he certainly loses influence. Gates can throw money at politicians, he can buy ads, he can buy PR campaigns, he can throw tens or hundreds of millions at his pet projects and personal priorities.

It also isn't that hard to imagine situations where Gates benefits when someone else is harmed. Specifically, let's say Microsoft announces it will fire 5,000 employees. This boosts Microsoft's stock price (Gates gains) while those 5,000 employees are obviously out of a job.


I'm really sorry, but I don't have an antidote for the liberal poison you drank. Please rush to the hospital ASAP for any chance at all. Please don't waste your time trying to prove your liberal nonsense. If I wanted to read that crap I would go to Salon, Mother Jones, The Guardian, etc.. You aren't telling me anything new. It is the same liberal garbage that liberals spew all the time. It actually insults me that you don't think I've read it before or that if I read it for the millionth time I would actually share your poison. You are going to give yourself carpal tunnel typing the same crap over and over again.
 
We'll let DP determine who is thinking straight tonight, Moderate Right, with your personal attacks on another man's WIFE ...

There we go again. Where did I attack your wife? You keep on changing your story. I don't even know your wife.
 
I don't know why you leftys don't understand that when taxes are generally cut those who pay the most get the most cut.
Yeah, thing is? That's not even REMOTELY what this bill has done.

This is not an across-the-board cut, where everyone gets a 5% tax break. If it was, that would be much more fair.

Corporations only make up about 10% of total tax revenues -- but they are getting 70% of the benefits. That is certainly not an instance of "those who pay the most, get the biggest breaks."

Corporate tax breaks are permanent. Individual tax changes expire in 8 years.

What's happening here is that the poor basically get little or no change; the middle class get almost no change; the upper middle class and the "wealthy people who don't feel wealthy" (e.g. incomes up to around $500k) have a mixed bag, due to losses of deductions; and the super-wealthy get huge breaks. They can avoid tons of taxes by setting up pass-through entities; they can pass on up to $11 million tax-free to their inheritors; they gain huge benefits from corporate tax breaks, and so on.

The factory worker who earns $40k a year can't set himself up as a pass-through corporation, and knock his tax rate down to 21%.

The nurse who earns $40k a year is not going to leave behind a $10 million estate.

The small business owner who takes home $90,000 a year doesn't benefit from raising the threshold for the Alternative Minimum Tax.

So yes, I can do the math. And the math says that "corporations and the wealthy are getting a huge win, while everyone else gets crumbs from the table."
 
I'm really sorry, but I don't have an antidote for the liberal poison you drank. Please rush to the hospital ASAP for any chance at all.
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Translation: You are incapable of addressing my points. Your abject failure is noted.
 
:lol:

What increases economic activity... supply or demand?

Demand of course. with out demand there is no use for supply. I am in Ag and trade commodities. I get this, probably better than you might..

tax breaks free up money for demand. Supply and profits fallow.
 
There we go again. Where did I attack your wife? You keep on changing your story. I don't even know your wife.

When you first brought up my WIFE, Moderate Right, just before you brought up my WIFE again, Moderate Right ...
 
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Translation: You are incapable of addressing my points. Your abject failure is noted.

His only tactic is to go all in trump, personally attacking posters, such as their spouses ...
 
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Translation: You are incapable of addressing my points. Your abject failure is noted.

Translation some people will never ever get beyond living pay check to pay check and then bitch about how they can not get ahead. Liberals do this with stunning regularity. :2wave:
 
When you first brought up my WIFE, Moderate Right, just before you brought up my WIFE again, Moderate Right ...

I can certainly understand why you don't want to talk about the thread topic. Do you have anything to say about that?
 
I wonder if anyone has already addressed the fact that, later this spring, Ryan will jump out of his chair and exclaim,
"Oh my God, look at this enormous deficit, it's almost two trillion dollars!! We HAVE to cut Medicare and Social Security to PAY for all this SPENDING!"


So let's look at this token tax cut for the middle class with clear eyes, because when your parents or grandparents get their Social Security and Medicare cut,
or even taken away entirely, some of them will be moving in with you, and some will be moving into a cardboard box on Skid Row, and the rest of you who have been
paying into these programs your entire working life, are going to be labeled "moochers who expect free stuff or entitlements" and you will be scolded for having the temerity to dare ask for Medicare and Social Security, which is, of course, SOCIALISM.
Never mind that Paul Ryan's heroine enjoyed those entitlements herself.


"Yeah, she paid into it so she deserved it"
Damn right she did, and so has every other working American, so why aren't we at least getting what Ayn Rand deserved?
They're coming for your Medicare and your retirement money, count on it.
So this penny-ante dog and pony show about tax cuts is just more of the same crap Republicans have shoving down our throats for the last six decades.
It doesn't work, it has never worked and it never will work.
But that's not important to them. What is important to them is their "socialism for the wealthy", which is really what this tax bill is.
It is the largest upward redistribution of wealth from the backs of the poor in the modern era.
And, it's also a strictly punitive measure against blue states only. Imagine that!


And we know exactly how crappy their tax ideas are because we have Kansas as an example.


We really should be paying attention to CHIP right now...which was recently defunded.
If children start to die for lack of care for chronic conditions the GOP will be widely condemned, Even by a lot of Republican voters.
 
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Liberal is the very best word in the world compared to trump ...

No it is in fact a sickness that only lets a person experience emotions and never logic or reason. It is at it's core stupidity...
 
80% of people get a tax cut. In proportion to what they pay.

The corporate rate is now in line with the rest of the world.

The issue with you leftists is that you see other people's money as a meal on a table to be portioned.

ITS NOT YOUR MONEY. ITS NOT YOUR MEAL. ITS NOT YOUR CRUMBS.




Yeah, thing is? That's not even REMOTELY what this bill has done.

This is not an across-the-board cut, where everyone gets a 5% tax break. If it was, that would be much more fair.

Corporations only make up about 10% of total tax revenues -- but they are getting 70% of the benefits. That is certainly not an instance of "those who pay the most, get the biggest breaks."

Corporate tax breaks are permanent. Individual tax changes expire in 8 years.

What's happening here is that the poor basically get little or no change; the middle class get almost no change; the upper middle class and the "wealthy people who don't feel wealthy" (e.g. incomes up to around $500k) have a mixed bag, due to losses of deductions; and the super-wealthy get huge breaks. They can avoid tons of taxes by setting up pass-through entities; they can pass on up to $11 million tax-free to their inheritors; they gain huge benefits from corporate tax breaks, and so on.

The factory worker who earns $40k a year can't set himself up as a pass-through corporation, and knock his tax rate down to 21%.

The nurse who earns $40k a year is not going to leave behind a $10 million estate.

The small business owner who takes home $90,000 a year doesn't benefit from raising the threshold for the Alternative Minimum Tax.

So yes, I can do the math. And the math says that "corporations and the wealthy are getting a huge win, while everyone else gets crumbs from the table."
 
I can certainly understand why you don't want to talk about the thread topic. Do you have anything to say about that?

Not until you apologize to the Debate Politics forum for bringing in a number of personal insults into this thread, especially concerning my WIFE, which you did multiple times ...
 
80% of people get a tax cut. In proportion to what they pay.

The corporate rate is now in line with the rest of the world.

The issue with you leftists is that you see other people's money as a meal on a table to be portioned.

ITS NOT YOUR MONEY. ITS NOT YOUR MEAL. ITS NOT YOUR CRUMBS.

Damn straight!
 
80% of people get a tax cut. In proportion to what they pay.

The corporate rate is now in line with the rest of the world.

The issue with you leftists is that you see other people's money as a meal on a table to be portioned.

ITS NOT YOUR MONEY. ITS NOT YOUR MEAL. ITS NOT YOUR CRUMBS.

What it is, is pure unadulterated jealousy.
 
Not until you apologize to the Debate Politics forum for bringing in a number of personal insults into this thread, especially concerning my WIFE, which you did multiple times ...

I think moderators would like us both to talk about the thread topic but I do understand why you don't want to. You have no arguments and would rather throw around crazy insults.
 
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