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Sandy Hooks "Know The Signs" PSA

RetiredUSN said:
Not out of line at all. You never made a attempt to separate what is wrong and right.

All you said.................... was to report people with what appears to be considered abnormal.

Total BS.

Explain what is abnormal next time you spout off.
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If you had taken the time to actually watch the two minute video, you might have actually understood what this thread was about, and responded accordingly.

As I just told another poster, nobody is coming after your guns. That is NOT what this thread is about, which is why it's not in the Gun Forum.
 
DiAnna said:
If you had taken the time to actually watch the two minute video, you might have actually understood what this thread was about, and responded accordingly.

As I just told another poster, nobody is coming after your guns. That is NOT what this thread is about, which is why it's not in the Gun Forum.
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I watched this fake scenario video in it's entirety, and it was meant to troll people like you.

Get a clue.
 
I just hope and pray that we set our personal opinions and fears aside and do what is right when the circumstances call for it. It probably takes a lot of courage to speak up and a lot of wisdom to know when.
 
RetiredUSN said:
I watched this fake scenario video in it's entirety, and it was meant to troll people like you.

Get a clue.
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Well, perhaps since you're not interested in discussing the topic, you could find another thread where the topic is more palatable.
 
DiAnna said:
Well, perhaps since you're not interested in discussing the topic, you could find another thread where the topic is more palatable.
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I am fully into discussing the topic, but it's the knee jerk bleeding heart liberals like yourself who refuse to admit that guns are not the problem in schools.

We used to bring guns to school when I was a kid and we never shot anyone.

People like yourself are too blind to see that today's society has millions of kids going into dark places and communicating with bad people when their parents are not around.

But of course, you will continue to blame the gun because it is the path of least resistance for you.
 
RetiredUSN said:
I watched this fake scenario video in it's entirety, and it was meant to troll people like you.

Get a clue.
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Let me try to appeal to your integrity as a service member:

What kind of instruction did you give to your Sailors if they saw behavior unbecoming of a service member? Or if they were doing things that warranted suspicion like New, wealthy foreign contacts? Did you tell them to report it to an investigative team/chain of command? Or did you promote that reporting behavior like that is pointless?
 
CMPancake said:
Let me try to appeal to your integrity as a service member:

What kind of instruction did you give to your Sailors if they saw behavior unbecoming of a service member? Or if they were doing things that warranted suspicion like New, wealthy foreign contacts? Did you tell them to report it to an investigative team/chain of command? Or did you promote that reporting behavior like that is pointless?
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You want to equate sailors with kids who are left unsupervised diving into dark places because their parents choose to leave them alone?
 
RetiredUSN said:
You want to equate sailors with kids who are left unsupervised diving into dark places because their parents choose to leave them alone?
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For this hypothetical, sure.
 
The devil is in the details. The impulse is certainly laudable but there's enough variety in human nature that it could be abused, and even weaponized against unpopular kids. Cliques among junior high and high school kids are already difficult enough.
On the other hand, the price paid at Sandy Hook is surely worth some risk to prevent another such event. Bottom line: be careful.
 
RetiredUSN said:
I am fully into discussing the topic, but it's the knee jerk bleeding heart liberals like yourself who refuse to admit that guns are not the problem in schools.

We used to bring guns to school when I was a kid and we never shot anyone.

People like yourself are too blind to see that today's society has millions of kids going into dark places and communicating with bad people when their parents are not around.

But of course, you will continue to blame the gun because it is the path of least resistance for you.
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I'm not a liberal. I've been a registered republican all my life, and went independent when the GOP began shooting itself in the foot in the mid-nineties. My husband has a half-dozen guns, including semi-automatics, and is an NRA member. You don't ****ing know me, so kindly speak for yourself and stop speaking for me.

This thread is not about your damned guns. It is about people on a local level working together to offer counseling and mental evaluation on a local level to their friends, neighbors, and children in a safe, accessible environment. There is a scourge of violence and suicide in this country among our young people. The Sandy Hook Promise foundation has had five years to determine that the solution to this problem is not at the top, federal government, down... it's from the bottom, local communities, up.

If that discussion is not something you can civilly wrap your mind around, please stop derailing this thread and harassing posters who do want to discuss the topic.
 
DiAnna said:
I just saw this on tv, and found it incredibly moving yet so very enlightening. The message is so simple, so real. It hit home with me. I didn't want it in the Gun Control Forum, because it's not really about guns; it's about speaking out before bad things happen, not afterward. If you feel something, if you hear something, if you see something, if you read something... tell someone. Speak out.
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It's definitely a better approach than most of what I see.

There's a fine line to walk between looking at these kids like they're all ticking time bombs and dealing with kids that really need help. My personal opinion is that there needs to be more community involvement. Schools really need crews dedicated to security and that includes knowing the kids, knowing their habits, knowing their quirks, knowing their family situations, etc. That kind of stuff can only come from the local community.
 
DiAnna said:
I'm not a liberal. I've been a registered republican all my life, and went independent when the GOP began shooting itself in the foot in the mid-nineties. My husband has a half-dozen guns, including semi-automatics, and is an NRA member. You don't ****ing know me, so kindly speak for yourself and stop speaking for me.

This thread is not about your damned guns. It is about people on a local level working together to offer counseling and mental evaluation on a local level to their friends, neighbors, and children in a safe, accessible environment. There is a scourge of violence and suicide in this country among our young people. The Sandy Hook Promise foundation has had five years to determine that the solution to this problem is not at the top, federal government, down... it's from the bottom, local communities, up.

If that discussion is not something you can civilly wrap your mind around, please stop derailing this thread and harassing posters who do want to discuss the topic.
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It's about a knee jerk citizenry who you want to squeal on other Americans by people who are most often unqualified to do so.

What makes a person qualified to report other citizens on their mental well being? Are you going to report quiet and shy kids because they don't involve themselves with the normal gossipy crowd?

They seem strange?

Where are you going with this?

You refuse to discuss this without your typical knee jerk accusations.
 
Lutherf said:
It's definitely a better approach than most of what I see.

There's a fine line to walk between looking at these kids like they're all ticking time bombs and dealing with kids that really need help. My personal opinion is that there needs to be more community involvement. Schools really need crews dedicated to security and that includes knowing the kids, knowing their habits, knowing their quirks, knowing their family situations, etc. That kind of stuff can only come from the local community.
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Exactly! Thank you for understanding the sole purpose and topic of this thread. Please explain it to your esteemed colleague, RetiredUSN, because I am done with him.

That is what really made me sit up and say to myself, Hey, that's right. Instead of each of us sitting in our own little towns waiting for the government to figure something out, we, the citizens, can work with our local schools, our local PTAs, our local churches and religious institutions, our local medical and mental health officials, to help ourselves, our children, our own community, and maybe just stave off a future tragedy here.

A thousand, a hundred thousand, towns and communities doing this for themselves could actually change the entire country in time. That's what I saw when I watched that psa, that's what I took away from it.
 
RetiredUSN said:
It's about a knee jerk citizenry who you want to squeal on other Americans by people who are most often unqualified to do so.

What makes a person qualified to report other citizens on their mental well being? Are you going to report quiet and shy kids because they don't involve themselves with the normal gossipy crowd?

They seem strange?

Where are you going with this?

You refuse to discuss this without your typical knee jerk accusations.
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5 years after 20 kids and 6 adults killed is not knee jerk in any way shape or form.
 
RetiredUSN said:
It's about a knee jerk citizenry who you want to squeal on other Americans by people who are most often unqualified to do so.

What makes a person qualified to report other citizens on their mental well being? Are you going to report quiet and shy kids because they don't involve themselves with the normal gossipy crowd?

They seem strange?

Where are you going with this?

You refuse to discuss this without your typical knee jerk accusations.
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It's not about ratting anyone out. It's about understanding that some of these kids have issues. If some of these kids were taken care of ahead of time instead of ignored or dismissed we could make a real difference.
 
Lutherf said:
It's not about ratting anyone out. It's about understanding that some of these kids have issues. If some of these kids were taken care of ahead of time instead of ignored or dismissed we could make a real difference.
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Please tell me where a 6 year old is qualified to assert these threats as the video suggested?
 
RetiredUSN said:
Please tell me where a 6 year old is qualified to assert these threats as the video suggested?
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Adults, qualified adults, should be talking to the kids, observing the kids, paying attention to family situations, paying attention to changes in classroom behavior, etc.

Remember when you were a kid and you couldn't get away with anything because all the neighborhood moms knew EVERYTHING that was happening? We don't have that anymore and we need to put something comparable back in place.

If you let self defense start at the holster on your hip you'll generally be too late. You need to have an idea of what's going on around you to make any response both reasonable and effective.
 
Last month here we had an incident where Police foiled a credible plot by two teenagers to conduct a massacre at a one of our high schools in South Australia. Police have publicly stated that there would have been significant casualties if the attack went ahead as planned before the end of the school year.

The younger of the pair was charged with solicit to murder, while the 18 year old was charged with four aggravated counts of threatening to kill.

Police say they have foiled a credible plot by two teenagers to conduct a massacre at a South Australian school using knives and explosives. Police said there would have been significant casualties if the attack went ahead as planned before the end of the school year. SA Police in Riverland acted after they were first alerted of the plan on November 3. “But at that stage it was not known whether that was rumour, innuendo, gossip and whether there was any substance at all to it,” Detective Superintendent Des Bray said on Wednesday. Detective Bray said the pair had told others of their alleged plans and they in turn contacted police.

“We’re extremely grateful to those students who came to us with this information,” he said. “Their actions and the actions of police prevented what could have been a significant loss of life in the Riverland region.”
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Many Australians were shocked to hear that something like that could even be planned in one of our schools in our country. The risk has been eliminated. Thank goodness those other students did speak up and were then supported by a strong community, including the magnificent Police Officers involved in the investigation.
 
DiAnna said:
I just saw this on tv, and found it incredibly moving yet so very enlightening. The message is so simple, so real. It hit home with me. I didn't want it in the Gun Control Forum, because it's not really about guns; it's about speaking out before bad things happen, not afterward. If you feel something, if you hear something, if you see something, if you read something... tell someone. Speak out.

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In the national guard we had to watch the unedited columbine footage as training on dealing with active shooters. Outside the video it covered much the same idea your does, the signs are always there and people either deny or ignore them until after the fact. In columbine the shooters were harrassed and bullied for a long time, signs were there that they were going to snap as well. In their shooting they had their targets pre planned, and they would ignored hundreds running around the school only picking off those on their list. Not all shootings were close to columbine in execution but the similarity is that in every case the shooter or shooters have a motive, give off signs that people ignore, and usually plan out their attack well.

In some cases like columbine it is revenge while other cases it is a suicide with victims, meaning they wanted to kill themselves and decided to take others with them.
 
DiAnna said:
With today's social media, kids themselves are in the best position to see those who are threatening
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I was sent to the office to be searched for weapons three times throughout high school because of rumors that I was going to be a school shooter. I strongly question the judgement of teenagers on what abnormal behavior is supposed to be called in.

Then again, I was a weirdo shut-in living in the Bible Belt. I can't pretend my experience was the norm for very many people.
 
Tigerace117 said:
What. The. ****.

Are you actually serious now? You can't possibly be. There is no sane human being who'd respond to a PSA about trying to stop school shootings with wailing about "snitch culture" and East Germany.
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You're not really free unless you can roll into an elementary school strapped with an AK after telling people your plans on Facebook.
 
Maybe I blacked out for the informative part of the video, but all I saw was a bland satire of school shooting coverage. As has been said already, most people simply are not equipped to identify the signs of a school shooter in the making, and even fewer would know what channels to go through to resolve this. As I mentioned just a few posts ago, I was falsely accused of planning to shoot up my high school on multiple occasions. These incidents were spurred by malicious rumors, from what I can tell - not only was I falsely accused of something several times, but I wasn't even reported when said accusations were made. Without actually providing a plan of action or any proper guidelines to evaluate "unusual behavior" by, raising a big fuss about preventing school shootings like this will likely lead to significantly more targeted bullying, without actually doing much of anything to prevent more mass shootings.

I can't claim to know how to address this problem, but it seems to me that the people behind this video don't have much of a solid grasp on the problem either, as almost every "warning sign" in the video was incredibly generic and based primarily on how someone felt about another person. The only two definitive examples of mass shooter red flags were the kids literally telling people in advance.

As for the hypothetical school shooter "seeming off" and "being pretty weird," those undefined descriptions could apply to literally every member of my social group from 6th grade & on - possibly a hundred or more wackos and social rejects flagged as potential school shooters because they wear emo **** and watch anime, 0% of which ended up shooting someone. Hell, automobile accidents killed infinitely more of us than we killed the other students - that one girl who did tarot reading was killed by a drunk driver her senior year.

The only solution proposed solution in this video was at the end when some charity rattled their mug for donations - I sure hope the original news cast had more to it than the 1:25 YouTube video, because that clip certainly didn't have a lick of substance to it. Just an emotional appeal and a tip jar.
 
Jesse Booth said:
I was sent to the office to be searched for weapons three times throughout high school because of rumors that I was going to be a school shooter. I strongly question the judgement of teenagers on what abnormal behavior is supposed to be called in.

Then again, I was a weirdo shut-in living in the Bible Belt. I can't pretend my experience was the norm for very many people.
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I remember there was this rumor that spread around in middle school that this special kid was gonna shoot up the school. I never gave it any stock whatsoever, but so many people made a huge deal out of it, to the point where the school had to issue a letter.

You have a point.
 
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