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New York times tallies false statements of Obama versus Trump

Visbek said:
Even so, many of the items on the Trump Lie List do not qualify as puffery. Claiming that there were 5 million fraudulent votes in a Presidential election? Lying about media coverage of terrorist attacks? Claiming he didn't know about Flynn's actions, when he knew for weeks? False claims about his margin in the Electoral College? Tons of lies. Very little puffery.
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I never said everything he's stated is "puffery," only that most is.

Visbek said:
The media has also recorded every public statement Obama made for about a decade, and the authors of the article went over all of his public statements. That was the whole point.
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Yet the "authors" work for a news organization, the New York Times, that is heavily biased in favor of President Obama, and against President Trump.

That tends to color their views on what each man has said in differing lights.

No, I am not going to hire a staff to go over the "data." :roll:

I simply refuse to accept their biased evaluation at face value. :coffeepap:
 
lefty louie said:
Did they count the time Obama said he had been to 57 states? A lib rag siding with a lib President, how very liberal of you. As bad as taking a poll for Fox backing Trump.
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That's not a lie, it's a mistake :roll:

You do know a lie means to intentionally deceive, don't you?
 
bluesmoke said:
The legal definition you gave is only when what is said is not meant to be taken seriously by the speaker. If a speaker, like Trump, means what is said, it is not puffery in the legal sense. If obviously not made in a serious manner, it’s puffery. On a serious subject, it is reasonable for someone to take what is said by a speaker as serious and not puffery. If Trump does not mean what he says, then he is not credible. If calling out what Trump says as a lie is partisan, that does not mean they are not lies.
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Not quite correct.

Trump speaks off the cuff. He says things either because he believes them himself, or because he is intentionally trying to make himself seem the "biggest, mostest, wonderfulest" and all the other odd phrases he uses to puff himself or his actions up with.

I don't think he is intentionally lying. I believe it is just his normal sales pitch developed over his lifetime of selling investments in New York Real Estate.

You seem to think he is doing it maliciously. I don't agree.

I do agree that as President he should look before he leaps, and get the facts straight before he makes a statement. But currently I am still willing to give the novice politician some leeway...where other's like yourself are not. :coffeepap:
 
AGENT J said:
CRICKETS! lol
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I've already done something like this with the WaPo "1318 lies" story:

Captain Adverse said:
(Sigh) Here is the source of the "1318 Lies" story.
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Wow...WaPo said it was 1318, NYT says it only 103!

I wonder if some conservative source could narrow it down even further. :roll:

Clearly there are disputes even among Progressives as to how many times he's actually lied.

Now when you start paying my salary, then you can become the boss of me. Meanwhile, take my tagline to heart the next time I stop responding. :coffeepap:
 
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....Believe Me, Trump is an amazing liar. His ability to lie is fantastic. There has never been such a tremendous liar. He lies better than anyone ever before. And he will Make America Great Again, believe me. There are many many people who believe this. So we will see. The lies are yuuggely successful, more successful than ever before in history. The failing media and fake news outlets cannot keep up with the high energy liar.

Oops, I have run out of Trump vocabulary. Sad.
 
Trump's words are scrutinized because he has a history of saying outlandish, incorrect and stupid stuff.
Trump's actions are scrutinized because he has a bad habit of doing stupid stuff.
 
JMR said:
....Believe Me, Trump is an amazing liar. His ability to lie is fantastic. There has never been such a tremendous liar. He lies better than anyone ever before. And he will Make America Great Again, believe me. There are many many people who believe this. So we will see. The lies are yuuggely successful, more successful than ever before in history. The failing media and fake news outlets cannot keep up with the high energy liar.

Oops, I have run out of Trump vocabulary. Sad.
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Exactly. Trump is a textbook example of a pathological liar.
 
Chillfolks said:
The NYT opinion piece leaves out some Obama falsehoods resulting in an inaccurate comparison. Closing Gitmo, it's not a tax, keep your doctors.

Trump is a lying crap sack but no need to create misleading stories to prove that point. Typical NYT opinion piece
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I agree it was not accurate, but Trump still leads the pack.
 
Vetplus40 said:
Exactly. Trump is a textbook example of a pathological liar.
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And yet there are people who believe the things he says, like he won't benefit from the Tax Cut, or that the Tax Cut benefits the middle class. Or just today, he is going to rebuild the FBI to make it a fantastic institution. These are important lies. Time to wake up people.
 
Captain Adverse said:
Now when you start paying my salary, then you can become the boss of me. Meanwhile, take my tagline to heart the next time I stop responding.
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LMAO!!
Translation: you got caught posting BS and you cant back it up, thats what I thought!
When that fact changes please let us know and feel free to man up and support your exposed claims, thanks!
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anybody wanna bet my request is dodged and ran from again ;)
 
holbritter said:
That's not a lie, it's a mistake :roll:

You do know a lie means to intentionally deceive, don't you?
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You do know he goofed because there are 57 Islamic states, he screwed up by showing his colors. Can I say that without being racist?
 
JMR said:
And yet there are people who believe the things he says, like he won't benefit from the Tax Cut, or that the Tax Cut benefits the middle class. Or just today, he is going to rebuild the FBI to make it a fantastic institution. These are important lies. Time to wake up people.
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Good luck trying to fix "stupid".
Trump is a textbook COWARD. "Billy Bad-ass" with a Twitter feed, and chicken-****" docile in public and separated from his "rah-rah" mindless minions.
 
lefty louie said:
You do know he goofed because there are 57 Islamic states, he screwed up by showing his colors. Can I say that without being racist?
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Not sure, but you can't say that without being an a***ole
 
AtlantaAdonis said:
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/12/14/opinion/sunday/trump-lies-obama-who-is-worse.html

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Why would they waste their time.

Do they not know Obama isn't President anymore?
 
Captain Adverse said:
I never said everything he's stated is "puffery," only that most is.
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And my reply is that "most of it is not."


Yet the "authors" work for a news organization, the New York Times, that is heavily biased in favor of President Obama, and against President Trump.

That tends to color their views on what each man has said in differing lights.
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They list the reasoning for every single item they call out as a lie. While some of them may be trivial, most of them are whoppers. And he lies constantly.

There are other sources which come to similar conclusions, such as Politifact.

Oddly enough, for all the screeching about Obama, we didn't see anyone compile a list of thousands of lies he made during his term. I wonder why...?


I simply refuse to accept their biased evaluation at face value. :coffeepap:
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And yet, you seem happy to reject it without reading it. Go figure.
 
Captain Adverse said:
Not quite correct.

Trump speaks off the cuff. He says things either because he believes them himself, or because he is intentionally trying to make himself seem the "biggest, mostest, wonderfulest" and all the other odd phrases he uses to puff himself or his actions up with.

I don't think he is intentionally lying. I believe it is just his normal sales pitch developed over his lifetime of selling investments in New York Real Estate.

You seem to think he is doing it maliciously. I don't agree.

I do agree that as President he should look before he leaps, and get the facts straight before he makes a statement. But currently I am still willing to give the novice politician some leeway...where other's like yourself are not. :coffeepap:
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Trump intentionally says what he says. His very words are malicious in his context and syntax. You use “novice” as a lame excuse for ignorance. He doesn’t deserve leeway.
 
bluesmoke said:
Trump intentionally says what he says. His very words are malicious in his context and syntax. You use “novice” as a lame excuse for ignorance. He doesn’t deserve leeway.
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I still get so tickled at these folks who actually believe that Trump is a novice politician. It simply shows how very little that they know about their newfound "hero".
 
Vetplus40 said:
I still get so tickled at these folks who actually believe that Trump is a novice politician. It simply shows how very little that they know about their newfound "hero".
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What doesn't tickle me is Trump's favoritism of national leaders like Putin, Dutarte of the Phillipines, Erdogan of Turkey, all practical dictators, while embarrassing, to say the least, the PM of England and their London mayor by his personal tweets. l
 
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