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2017 Lie of the Year: Russian election interference is a 'made-up story'

tres borrachos said:
Congratulations President Trump! You promised winning, and you sure are delivering. You have the distinct honor of being the only person in history to be awarded the "Lie of the Year" twice. All this winning!

A mountain of evidence points to a single fact: Russia meddled in the U.S. presidential election of 2016.

In both classified and public reports, U.S. intelligence agencies have said Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered actions to interfere with the election. Those actions included the cyber-theft of private data, the placement of propaganda against particular candidates, and an overall effort to undermine public faith in the U.S. democratic process.


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"This Russia thing with Trump and Russia is a made-up story. It's an excuse by the Democrats for having lost an election that they should've won," said President Donald Trump in an interview with NBC’s Lester Holt in May.

On Twitter in September, Trump said, "The Russia hoax continues, now it's ads on Facebook. What about the totally biased and dishonest Media coverage in favor of Crooked Hillary?"

And during an overseas trip to Asia in November, Trump spoke of meeting with Putin: "Every time he sees me, he says, ‘I didn't do that.’ And I really believe that when he tells me that, he means it." In the same interview, Trump referred to the officials who led the intelligence agencies during the election as "political hacks."

Trump continually asserts that Russia’s meddling in the 2016 election is fake news, a hoax or a made-up story, even though there is widespread, bipartisan evidence to the contrary.

When the nation’s commander-in-chief refuses to acknowledge a threat to U.S. democracy, it makes it all the more difficult to address the problem. For this reason, we name Trump’s claim that the Russia interference is a hoax as our Lie of the Year for 2017.

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2017 Lie of the Year: Russian election interference is a 'made-up story' | PolitiFact
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I would be most interested in exactly what that "mountain of evidence" is. Is it the ads taken out on FB and other media, or what?

Probably not nearly as large as the many mountains of evidence regarding US actions interfering in the elections of other countries, including South and Central America, Iran, and numerous others. Our interference often goes so far as to include overthrowing legitimate governments as we did in Ukraine, and attempted to in Syria.
 
Thoreau72 said:
I would be most interested in exactly what that "mountain of evidence" is. Is it the ads taken out on FB and other media, or what?

Probably not nearly as large as the many mountains of evidence regarding US actions interfering in the elections of other countries, including South and Central America, Iran, and numerous others. Our interference often goes so far as to include overthrowing legitimate governments as we did in Ukraine, and attempted to in Syria.
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Not sure. I think the intelligence agencies would have to say what their specific mountain of evidence is.
 
Thoreau72 said:
I would be most interested in exactly what that "mountain of evidence" is. Is it the ads taken out on FB and other media, or what?

Probably not nearly as large as the many mountains of evidence regarding US actions interfering in the elections of other countries, including South and Central America, Iran, and numerous others. Our interference often goes so far as to include overthrowing legitimate governments as we did in Ukraine, and attempted to in Syria.
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The USIC has issued a report, but I'm not sure it's public yet.

Some of the summary is quoted publicly in multiple places.
To wit:
“Russian efforts to influence the 2016 US presidential election represent the most recent expression of Moscow’s longstanding desire to undermine the US-led liberal democratic order, but these activities demonstrated a significant escalation in directness, level of activity, and scope of effort compared to previous operations."​
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"We assess Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered an influence campaign in 2016 aimed at the US presidential election. Russia’s goals were to undermine public faith in the US democratic process, denigrate Secretary Clinton, and harm her electability and potential presidency. We further assess Putin and the Russian Government developed a clear preference for President-elect Trump. We have high confidence in these judgments.”​
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“We assess Moscow will apply lessons learned from its Putin-ordered campaign aimed at the US presidential election to future influence efforts worldwide, including against US allies and their election processes."​

The meddling is well established.
Apparently, the collusion angle is "open".
So I question the strategy of denying the Russian interference as a means of denying collusion with these efforts. Not sure why Trumpco is running with that.

As of October, the Senate was still investigating the possibility of collusion between American nogoodniks and Russians.
Seems likely that the GOP controlled Senate cannot dismiss that possibility out of hand as they're choosing to spend their valuable time investigating that possibility.

Maybe the Senators haven't been keeping up with the posts here on DP?
If they had, they'd know that it's painfully obvious to anyone who breathes through their nose that the Mueller investigation is a unnecessary scam perpetrated on us by Roger Clinton and friends.


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I did find this from the DNI
https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/ICA_2017_01.pdf
 
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LowDown said:
It seems out of character for you to believe these people.
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In re Russia:

"Unparalleled in US history:
"situation in which the personal insecurities of the president — and his refusal to accept what even many in his administration regard as objective reality — have impaired the government’s response to a national security threat"
wapo.st/2jTJDpA?tid=ss…
 
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tres borrachos said:
Not sure. I think the intelligence agencies would have to say what their specific mountain of evidence is.
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Thank you for the honest reply.

At my age of 70, I believe almost nothing the 'intelligence agencies' say. Life experiences and what Snowden revealed show those agencies to be professional liars.

Those whistleblowers from those agencies, Binney, Drake and numerous others all say the Russiagate thing is bogus and full of inconsistencies and factual errors that expose it as nothing more than political theater.
 
Simon W.

It is interesting that nobody has questioned Julian Assange in this investigation. Neither Mueller's men nor those various agencies. Considering the many mentions of the role of WikiLeaks, that seems to be a major error in such an investigation.

VIPS, which includes Binney and others with careers in intelligence, have noted that the "assessments" were but opinions. There are no factual analysis with evidence. That claims of ads taken out on Facebook and other media seems a desperate claim IMO, very trivial.

And now the material provided since Flynn's plea deal shows clearly that if Trump was doing work for any foreign country, it was Israel, and not Russia. Indeed, the Russians refused to go along with Trump's efforts to get them to vote against the UN criticism of Israel.
 
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