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Alabama: Conservative Paradise

Rickeroo said:
There is a flaw in the political party / success correlation. For example, it could just as easily be said that inner cities are bastions of liberalism. Obama didn't raise Baltimore out of poverty, and Trump isn't going to raise coal country out of poverty.
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Cities have always had their problems due to the high population density. But, when it comes to poverty per capita, smaller cities/towns in red states are usually among the worst:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_lowest-income_places_in_the_United_States

Towns in Arizona, Texas, Montana, New Mexico, Mississippi, Tennessee, North Carolina, and Louisiana lead the pack.
 
Being retired and living in Kalifornia, we are going to sell our home and flee the state. Alabama ranks 5th out of the top 10 states to retire in, according to Kiplinger. Sounds wonderful.
 
Geoist said:
Cities have always had their problems due to the high population density. But, when it comes to poverty per capita, smaller cities/towns in red states are usually among the worst:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_lowest-income_places_in_the_United_States

Towns in Arizona, Texas, Montana, New Mexico, Mississippi, Tennessee, North Carolina, and Louisiana lead the pack.
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I think it's a stretch to suggest that democrats or republicans are responsible for the prosperity of their constituents. Pine Ridge will remain destitute regardless of whether a democrat or republican is president, as will inner cities of blue states. Likewise, poor whites in the south remain poor regardless of presidential influence. It's mostly standards of behavior.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
I simply supplied bits from the OP linked article and included those traits that make Alabama so conservative.
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holbritter said:
He's quoting from the link. Is the link suggesting it's all the blacks fault? :roll:
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cpwill said:
Cites a series of stats to try to deride a group of people he doesn't like.

Gets upset when those stats turn out to offer problems with a group of people he likes.
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The link says Alabama has a few more black people than the average state. Ttwtt took it upon himself to assign that as the reason Alabama is nearly dead last in every measurable metric. If you guys think I'm wrong and it is in fact the existence of black people and "diversity" in Alabama that makes it such a **** hole, provide some evidence, the link does not say that.

Pathetic.


cpwill said:
Cites a series of stats to try to deride a group of people he doesn't like.
Gets upset when those stats turn out to offer problems with a group of people he likes.
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I know you're the kind of person who thinks "us" and "them" in matters of race and have your favorite races and most hated but I don't think like that. I don't prefer any race over any other. Try just being an American.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
Incorrect, a culture of inner city violence and criminal records= high gun death rate.


It's democrats killing each other. lets not forget that.
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So which states have the highest gun murder rates? Louisiana, Mississippi and Missouri.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Maybe it is due, in part, to its diversity.



Lower median income and higher poverty are likely factors as well.



You may be right - since:
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Which is why Japan, a deeply xenophobic culture, has fared so well--- right?

Oh wait--- they went on a brutal rampage across Asia, had their cities burnt to the ground and then nuked, and are still struggling with decades of terrorism and powerful organized crime.
 
holbritter said:
I think it's really ****ty that your mocking a whole state of people without knowing how each individual sees things. Tell me, what state do you live in? Is it the best state in the world? Such an accepting and tolerating attitude.
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That's what they do.
 
holbritter said:
I think it's really ****ty that your mocking a whole state of people without knowing how each individual sees things. Tell me, what state do you live in? Is it the best state in the world? Such an accepting and tolerating attitude.
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I can't say whether or not Geoist lives in the best state, but I certainly do. Georgia is the greatest state in the American Union by virtue of the fact that it is where I reside.
 
Tigerace117 said:
Which is why Japan, a deeply xenophobic culture, has fared so well--- right?

Oh wait--- they went on a brutal rampage across Asia, had their cities burnt to the ground and then nuked, and are still struggling with decades of terrorism and powerful organized crime.
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Don't forget, those are also the sickos that invented dorse porn. This is why you never nuke the same country twice.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
The link says Alabama has a few more black people than the average state. Ttwtt took it upon himself to assign that as the reason Alabama is nearly dead last in every measurable metric. If you guys think I'm wrong and it is in fact the existence of black people and "diversity" in Alabama that makes it such a **** hole, provide some evidence, the link does not say that.
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Nah - twt called it. The guy was using a correlation = causation argument, and forgetting local specifics.

I know you're the kind of person who thinks "us" and "them" in matters of race and have your favorite races and most hated but I don't think like that. I don't prefer any race over any other. Try just being an American.
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Jesse Booth said:
Don't forget, those are also the sickos that invented dorse porn. This is why you never nuke the same country twice.
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And some people want us to be just like them. Ain't life grand?
 
Geoist said:
Shouldn't this bastion of conservatism have a lower poverty rate due to everyone pulling themselves up by the boot straps and exhibiting their rugged individualism?
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Heheh. I like it when the less partisan types can't help but thrash conservatives a little. Rugged individualism...love it.
 
cpwill said:
Nah - twt called it. The guy was using a correlation = causation argument, and forgetting local specifics.
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If it were just a handful of states, I'd give the conservatives the benefit of the doubt on the correlation/causation perspective. However, the top 15 impoverished states are all RED STATES.

50. Mississippi – Median household income: $39,680 Poverty rate: 21.5%
49. West Virginia – Median household income: $41,059 Poverty rate: 18.3%
48. Arkansas – Median household income: $41,262 Poverty rate: 18.9%
47. Alabama – Median household income: $42,830 Poverty rate: 19.3%
46. Kentucky – Median household income: $42,958 Poverty rate: 19.1%
45. Tennessee – Median household income: $44,361 Poverty rate: 18.3%
44. Louisiana – Median household income: $44,555 Poverty rate: 19.8%
43. New Mexico – Median household income: $44,803 Poverty rate: 21.3%
42. South Carolina – Median household income: $45,238 Poverty rate: 18.0%
41. Montana – Median household income: $46,328 Poverty rate: 15.4%
40. North Carolina – Median household income: $46,556 Poverty rate: 17.2%
39. Florida – Median household income: $47,463 Poverty rate: 16.5%
38. Oklahoma – Median household income: $47,529 Poverty rate: 16.6%
37. Idaho – Median household income: $47,861 Poverty rate: 14.8%
36. Missouri – Median household income: $48,363 Poverty rate: 15.5%

https://blogs.voanews.com/all-about-america/2015/09/21/these-are-americas-richest-poorest-states/
 
Geoist said:
If it were just a handful of states, I'd give the conservatives the benefit of the doubt on the correlation/causation perspective. However, the top 15 impoverished states are all RED STATES.

50. Mississippi – Median household income: $39,680 Poverty rate: 21.5%
49. West Virginia – Median household income: $41,059 Poverty rate: 18.3%
48. Arkansas – Median household income: $41,262 Poverty rate: 18.9%
47. Alabama – Median household income: $42,830 Poverty rate: 19.3%
46. Kentucky – Median household income: $42,958 Poverty rate: 19.1%
45. Tennessee – Median household income: $44,361 Poverty rate: 18.3%
44. Louisiana – Median household income: $44,555 Poverty rate: 19.8%
43. New Mexico – Median household income: $44,803 Poverty rate: 21.3%
42. South Carolina – Median household income: $45,238 Poverty rate: 18.0%
41. Montana – Median household income: $46,328 Poverty rate: 15.4%
40. North Carolina – Median household income: $46,556 Poverty rate: 17.2%
39. Florida – Median household income: $47,463 Poverty rate: 16.5%
38. Oklahoma – Median household income: $47,529 Poverty rate: 16.6%
37. Idaho – Median household income: $47,861 Poverty rate: 14.8%
36. Missouri – Median household income: $48,363 Poverty rate: 15.5%

https://blogs.voanews.com/all-about-america/2015/09/21/these-are-americas-richest-poorest-states/
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I like how the critique here is that you are posting flat numbers, without accounting for local costs of living, and your response is to post more flat numbers.
 
Geoist said:
As Alabamans get ready to vote for a new senator, they face a difficult choice. Go with the guy who admitted dating teenage girls and would like homosexuality outlawed... or a LIBERAL. Clearly, many think it is better to go with the former. After all, he's a true conservative. Let's see what conservatism has gotten Alabama:

Health Care - #47

Education - #47

Crime & Corrections - #42

Infrastructure - #31

Opportunity - #40

Economy - #45

Government - #42

OVERALL - #47

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/alabama


Oh wait, Alabama Ranked #1!... most stressed state:

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/articles/2017-04-05/alabama-is-the-most-stressed-state
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Most conservatives are homo-feminist. Like Caitlyn Jenner.




Part of Alabam's problems is the historical antagonisms between blacks and whites, and that Alabama has such a high percentage of blacks making up its state, the white power class feels no need to use government to significantly reduce the problems effecting that state and particularly Black-Americans.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_African-American_population

List of U.S. states by African-American population
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The darker the blue the greater the percentage of black people. Alabama--according to Wikipedia--ranking as the 7th most black state in the USA.

You can find prosperous, conservative counties in a state, from East to West. I believe Madison, Mississippi is supposed to be not only rich but a politically conservative town too.

I don't know if this portion of Alabama is predominately conservative or not, but it appears to be wealthy.



It sure is a hell of a lot better off than Camden, New Jersey.

 
Geoist said:
Shouldn't this bastion of conservatism have a lower poverty rate due to everyone pulling themselves up by the boot straps and exhibiting their rugged individualism?
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Shouldn't the Black-Americans of Alabama be prosperous and highly educated--and all the conservative whites poor and poorly educated--given Alabama's blacks overwhelmingly are Democrats?





That said... you are right about the Republican's rhetoric about pulling one's self up by their bootstraps. No one does that, least of all most Republicans.
 
I don't know much about Alabama. I would be curious to find out what the data on its Democratic Party dominated "Black Belt" looks like across that stretch of that state. Particularly in relation to white homosexuals (who I think nationally are supposed to--for gay men anyways--have yearly incomes above the national average).

The question is how adversely does homosexuality (if known by others) effect one's professional and financial life in Alabama.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Belt_(region_of_Alabama)

Black Belt (region of Alabama)

Since the black population gained the renewed ability to exercise their franchise after 1965 under the Voting Rights Act, the voting patterns of the African-American dominated Black Belt, where voters mostly choose Democratic Party candidates, have been in contrast to those of majority-white areas of the state. Since the mid-20th century, white conservatives have shifted from the Democratic to the Republican Party.
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It is a given the Republicans are not use Government action to help resolve some of the major problems afflicting Southern Black-America. That's a given. But the question rings loudly what the hell has the Democratic Party's politicians being doing for so many years to resolve these dilemmas of Black-America?
 
cpwill said:
I like how the critique here is that you are posting flat numbers, without accounting for local costs of living, and your response is to post more flat numbers.
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Cost of living is also low in Kazakhstan.
 
FastPace said:
Shouldn't the Black-Americans of Alabama be prosperous and highly educated--and all the conservative whites poor and poorly educated--given Alabama's blacks overwhelmingly are Democrats?
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Why is that? What power does it give one to be Democrat in a solid red state?
 
Geoist said:
Cost of living is also low in Kazakhstan.
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Sure, quality of life is a definite consideration.

I can buy 5 acres and built a 3,000 square foot house on it where I live for about 250,000. How much would it cost to build that house on that amount of land in, say, San Fransisco?
 
cpwill said:
Sure, quality of life is a definite consideration.
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Exactly, and quality of life in the Conservative Utopia (AKA the South) sucks compared to most of the rest of America, therefore South has lower cost of living.
 
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