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Punch a Nazi in the Face

calamity said:
Although I can totally get behind the idea...I'm still going to suggest that it's not such a good idea. Punching people is, after all, assault.




If sitting on the jury, would I vote to acquit a guy who punches a Nazi? Would you?


Tough call.
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Assault is assault. Don't care who it's towards.
 
calamity said:
**** Nazis' civil rights
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Some of my ancestors said the same thing about Blacks. Others in human history have said it about Jews, Native Americans, Japanese Americans, religious minorities, etc.

Can you name a single time we said "F That Groups Civil Rights" that we later looked back and were proud we'd done so?
 
calamity said:
Do I care about the etymology? No. Do I care that Nazis murdered millions of people with intent? Yes. How about you?
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So, no, you don't.

Here's a hint: you just argued that we weren't talking about Republicans, but rather members of the GOP.
 
calamity said:
Pearl clutching non-violence allowed Hitler to rise to power unopposed. So, I disagree.
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Does Gerry Bello have a source for that quote?


:lol:


calamity said:
Although I can totally get behind the idea...I'm still going to suggest that it's not such a good idea. Punching people is, after all, assault.




If sitting on the jury, would I vote to acquit a guy who punches a Nazi? Would you?


Tough call.
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You wouldn't punch a nazi, that would be real life ****. :lol:
 
NeverTrumpGOP said:
I am a pacifist, I don't start physical fights, but I will NEVER feel any sympathy for Nazis. If you want to worship the great white German race, what the heck are you doing in this country?? As far as I am concerned as long as you wear the swastika your rights should be taken away. Since the swastika does not represent our country at all.
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Which makes you as much of a nazi as the nazis. we have a constitution. we take the good with the bad to preserve our liberty. if you want to be a nazi douche, as long as you don't intrude on the rights of another that's your right.


Stripping rights from people you disagree with, is kinda the same thing they want to do.
 
Grand Mal said:
I'm the opposite. I might do it myself, if provoked, but I wouldn't excuse someone else who did, unless it was a defense issue.
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I've actually punched nazis back in the 80's 90's. Right or wrong, it was fun. But I would be willing to accept the consequences then. Today, I have too much going for me to waste my life punching a douchebag over his views.
 
calamity said:
And juries can choose to acquit.
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Travesty of justice by bigots is always a possible outcome. It happened with the KKK or Nazi Germany all the time.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
I've actually punched nazis back in the 80's 90's. Right or wrong, it was fun. But I would be willing to accept the consequences then. Today, I have too much going for me to waste my life punching a douchebag over his views.
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Absolutely. Lots of people like punching people with whom they disagree in the face. Think it fun. The kkk and Nazis were well known for this behavior.

;)
 
joG said:
Absolutely. Lots of people like punching people with whom they disagree in the face. Think it fun. The kkk and Nazis were well known for this behavior.

;)
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we punched them because they were infecting our music scene. We had to drum them out with bottles and bricks.
 
calamity said:
**** Nazis' civil rights
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I would have punched a WWII German Nazi if I'd been around, I would have shot a WWII German Nazi, but the Nazis in question are modern day Americans purporting a political view. It's a case where society and courts lean toward protection of political first amendment rights. Their ideology is repugnant and it is possible that one day I will have a vehement argument with someone over the subject. Furthermore, if a Nazi's actions were a direct physical threat to my family, others, or self, I would take corresponding action. Other than that, I try my best to control my anger up to the point of physicality. It's just not my thing to hit people.
 
NeverTrumpGOP said:
Any reason why the Outlaws wore it? If it's not in line with Nazi values (which I expect it is), I would suggest they change that, but I'm not about to tell them that. :mrgreen:
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I don't know exactly. All I know is they don't like black people. I say "they" but some members seem to be less hostile towards blacks. But my presumption is if they were around their fellow Outlaw brothers they would ignore and shun the same black people they may speak easily and friendly with while alone. I say that because the Outlaws police their own members with violence just like black and Latino gangs and like the Italian mafia. So, if for no other reason that self preservation my assumption is that Outlaw person would say few words to or ignore the black.

I don't know much about the Outlaws other than TV programs, online literature, or word of mouth from others *associated* with that biker world--including the few Outlaws I knowingly met.

Yes, I went into the tattoo shop that they ran in the City of South Milwaukee years ago (a tattoo shop they no longer have). But bear in mind like I said... I had no idea at the time, until I actually walked into it, that the Outlaws ran it. In fact I had no idea until then that they were racist or some of them (from photos on the walls) had swastikas tattooed on them. They were not friendly or talkative. I could tell they did not want me or my black friends in there. And the only non-biker I saw as I said, was a young white kid, who was working being the booth and he was clearly terrified (I don't exaggerate) while he was trembling and answering my question. He clearly understood something I at the time--naively-- did not. But that can be a case example of how being naive can potentially result in you getting killed or seriously injured. It was only after I was looking around and saw the photographs that I began to pick up what--and why--the kid might have been fearful (for him or us or both). But I was armed with a 9mm concealed in my waist pants and still sort of cocky while in the Corps. So, honestly, I was unfazed. Today, older, much more cognizant of my own frailty, I would be more worried (though not overly nor shaking).

The Outlaws I met was: one still in (with tattoo, so, I knew anyways who he was), one out after according to him having to have done a series of demands by the Club to get out, and another was not a member nor ever had been but rode with them and was deeply connected. None, of these people spoke in too much detail about the Club. And the one that still a member never said anything at all about the Club. He simply kindly warned me not to ask him anything about the Outlaws and even with his tattoo clearly visible never actually verbally confirmed he was a member. But we got along outside of that just keeping conversation short and talking about things that had nothing at all to do with the biker world or that stuff.

I've met a couple Hells Lovers (black club based out of Chicago but one of their chapters is in Milwaukee) and from some of their statements to me it sounds like they associate with the Outlaws. But I don't travel in that world, so, I don't know the ends and outs of it. There are quite a number of black biker clubs (a few 1%ers or so they claim, but most are *not* 1%er Clubs) and when I was still in grade school age, one black biker club used to throw a BBQ across the street from where I grew up in paved lot. My best friend's family (or some of his family member I should say) were associated with that black biker club through friendship or dating. So, I was familiar with, or crossed paths with that culture very early on. Though, I can't remember what that Club's name was.
 
Jesse Booth said:
...Jesus Christ, you hang with a really bad crowd.
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"Hang with"? Where in my post did I give the impression I "hang with" Outlaws? Black people--excepted maybe a select few black biker clubs--don't "hang with" the Outlaws. You may come across them or for one or more reasons have some interaction with them. The Outlaws don't associate with black people.

I know this is difficult for college educated, white collar workers to grasp, but in the blue collar workforce you'll end up coming across a lot of different people from various backgrounds many white collar workers regard as "a bad crowd." You have bikers that do construction work, factory work, and drive trucks for example.

And while there are military veterans with educated, professional backgrounds (like nurse, engineers, computer programmers) that use the VA Hospital system as patients, from my own vast experience in the Wisconsin VA, I'm going to roll the dice and say the vast majority that use it are blue collar workers and/or unemployed.

Two of the Outlaws I met was while I was in the VA. One was a truck driver as in interstate truck driving.




Now I could be wrong, but I think the former National leader of the Outlaws that was in Milwaukee ("Milwaukee Mike") and then sent to prison after Federal indictment, actually owned a trucking company. So, imagine that, a truck driver could actually end up interacting with a member of the Outlaws if he worked for said trucking company, even if he did not "hang with" Outlaws.

I know moron Democrats like to construct a fictional narrative that if you live in certain areas you can escape ever interacting with certain people. Like say... living in a Crip neighborhood in LA but magically avoid ever interacting with any black Crips.

Partly because Democrats--or Libertarians in your case--have little to no touch and grasp with reality is why Black-America which holds on to these mentally challenged beliefs, finds itself ever more steeped in community tragedy. Black Virginia was one thing in the early 1990s, but when ever I returned home on leave to Milwaukee there was no mistake where I returned to. Aside from the big perms (at the time) on some black men, there would be the mean mugging from opposite vehicle when I would pull up to a stop light, and more telling would be the frequent and countless time some young black man my age who I would not know, but when we go to shake hands would throw a gang sign in it. Usually it would be folks, so, they would be throwing the pitchforks up in my my hand, or trying to until I would either tell them "I'm not in a gang" or "I'm a neutron." On more rare occasions it would be a Vice Lord trying to throw the pitchforks down in my hand. There is no escaping what's coming your way. Contrary to what the Democrats say. The best you can do is prepare for it. Any parent that refuses to touch the ground of reality, rejects reality for fantasy, and refuses to prepare their troops (children) for the battle ahead, are negligent and setting their children up for victimization and failure.

Somethings you may not avoid no matter how hard and well you prepare. Because life will come steam rolling ahead with all its actors involved. One day, for some, those actors could be Outlaws.



https://www.milwaukeemag.com/justicedenied/

Decades ago: A kid picking up a gift box:

Justice Denied
Kurt ChandlerKurt ChandlerJanuary 31, 2008


The force of the blast killed Larry instantly. His face was burned beyond recognition, his right eye ripped from its socket. Both of his hands were blown away and the bones in his arms shattered. Dozens of metal fragments were shot into his neck and chest, tearing into his windpipe and lungs, fracturing his collarbone and ribs and mangling his carotid arteries.

A shakened Vermilyea said he was sure he knew what had happened. He was sure the murderous blast was an act of retaliation by the Outlaws Motorcycle Club, and he was sure he had been the intended target. But somehow, horribly, the bomb had claimed the life of 15-year-old Larry Anstett instead.
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ReverendHellh0und said:
we punched them because they were infecting our music scene. We had to drum them out with bottles and bricks.
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Oh man that would be one way to get whooped up quick. Group of skinheads chanting white power **** while the band is trying to play. I imagine the whole concert would just start stomping on them.
 
dirtpoorchris said:
Oh man that would be one way to get whooped up quick. Group of skinheads chanting white power **** while the band is trying to play. I imagine the whole concert would just start stomping on them.
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I'm an old school NYC skinhead. we were not racist. and beat the living crap out of nazi boneheads (fake skinheads, nazis, white power types) and pushed them out of the scene,. Real skinheads were never racist. and no, from cbgb to city gardens, anthrax, philly, etc, we smashed the **** out of them.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
I'm an old school NYC skinhead. we were not racist. and beat the living crap out of nazi boneheads (fake skinheads, nazis, white power types) and pushed them out of the scene,. Real skinheads were never racist. and no, from cbgb to city gardens, anthrax, philly, etc, we smashed the **** out of them.
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Had the same in my town. Except the skinheads were just nazis and they tried to send scouts into the gutter-punk crowds to recruit them. Half the punks wanted to stomp their head in and the other half were trying to get the group to just ignore them until they leave. The nazi's ended up being pretty respectful and just leaving but I dont think they realize how close they came to getting 2 of their members stomped out.
 
dirtpoorchris said:
Had the same in my town. Except the skinheads were just nazis and they tried to send scouts into the gutter-punk crowds to recruit them. Half the punks wanted to stomp their head in and the other half were trying to get the group to just ignore them until they leave. The nazi's ended up being pretty respectful and just leaving but I dont think they realize how close they came to getting 2 of their members stomped out.
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We wanted none of that crap in out scene. Go be a nazi somewhere else.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
I'm an old school NYC skinhead. we were not racist. and beat the living crap out of nazi boneheads (fake skinheads, nazis, white power types) and pushed them out of the scene,. Real skinheads were never racist. and no, from cbgb to city gardens, anthrax, philly, etc, we smashed the **** out of them.
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Yep, real skinheads, back in the 80's, were cutting edge, punk rock types and certainly not racist trash.
 
calamity said:
Although I can totally get behind the idea...I'm still going to suggest that it's not such a good idea. Punching people is, after all, assault.




If sitting on the jury, would I vote to acquit a guy who punches a Nazi? Would you?


Tough call.
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I try to explain to NAZIs what the trouble with all socialism is, including Hitler's
National Socialism.
 
calamity said:
In the I don't believe you so.
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That’s because you don’t even read what people post and just attack them

Here’s an old post of mine that should put the matter to rest

Crovax said:
I don't see what voting for Trump would do other than put a stain on your soul that can never be washed off.
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I won’t hold my breath for your apology
 
Crovax said:
That’s because you don’t even read what people post and just attack them

Here’s an old post of mine that should put the matter to rest



I won’t hold my breath for your apology
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I can be wrong.
 
calamity said:
I can be wrong.
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You do realize there is a difference between being wrong and calling someone dishonest because you dont believe what they say simply because of their political lean
 
Crovax said:
You do realize there is a difference between being wrong and calling someone dishonest because you dont believe what they say simply because of their political lean
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Well, considering most conservatives are extremely dishonest, I disagree.
 
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