And then they came for the bakers; Colorado Cake Oral Arguments [W:744]

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joG said:

No doubt. But making the protection of religious practice contingent on such a point is a bad precedent. As bad, in fact, as making human rights contingent on personhood.

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Selling cakes is NOT a religious practice.That's just how hateful morons expect everyone else to pander to their most base bigotries.

Personally, I don't respect any religion that allows itself to become a tool of oppression. That's exactly what the christian apologists do, though, they cheapen legitimate moral considerations and poison civility with their phony gods.

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Tigerace117 said:

Yes, I get that you and your tapeworm laugh when you are humiliated. It happens enough that you are used to it by now I'd bet.

"Wailing" is a perfect description of your particular brand of posting, and you wailing about that fact is highly amusing.

I get that you've been humiliated so much you have to live in a fantasy world, but even for you this is getting sad. Your delusions are rapidly approaching critical mass.

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The Doc has come up with a rather interesting prognosis for you.

Though good on you for adding "wailing" into your vocabulary. It took you over half a dozen post, but at least you are proving you can grow. Despite how minute the amount turns out to be.

Though you are showing signs of delusion, so he is also willing to prescribe some medication as well.

And I hate to point this out, but that is a serious offer from him. We are starting to feel rather sad for you over here.

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still pretty sure the people who see homosexuality as evil because their ideology demands it is are more like the Nazis

1st they came for the racists




o but wait these guys are ok because they would serve gay people just not for a marrage

like how if they refused to serve a mixed race couple they would not be racist if they still served every couple that sticks to one race because who you choose to marry is an act

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NonoBadDog said:

What I will find interesting is what happens to all the court rulings that used the cake case as precedent if the court rules in favor of the cake shop. As far as the ruling goes I am curious about the justifications that the court uses for whatever ruling they reach. I don't really have a horse in this race.

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I think they should have a special "split the baby" ruling that there is no case if here is another shop with in 25 miles who will bake the gay cake.

The truth of the matter is they are targeting Christians just like the ADA folks did to bars and restaurants. Go in, spec's not met, file a lawsuit, business closes, then they settle out of court. It was a cottage industry in California until nearly all restrooms have been rebuilt, they became "single use", or businesses closed.

You need to know a racket when you see one. The gay cake thing is the newest. But I still don't see the cowardly bastards targeting Muslim owned bakeries.

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chuckiechan said:

I think they should have a special "split the baby" ruling that there is no case if here is another shop with in 25 miles who will bake the gay cake.

The truth of the matter is they are targeting Christians just like the ADA folks did to bars and restaurants. Go in, spec's not met, file a lawsuit, business closes, then they settle out of court. It was a cottage industry in California until nearly all restrooms have been rebuilt, they became "single use", or businesses closed.

You need to know a racket when you see one. The gay cake thing is the newest. But I still don't see the cowardly bastards targeting Muslim owned bakeries.

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Maybe the Muslims just bake the f'ing cake.

And ADA rules don't apply to facilities built prior to their introduction unless the place is renovating more than a certain percentage of the space.

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Critter7r said:

Maybe the Muslims just bake the f'ing cake.

And ADA rules don't apply to facilities built prior to their introduction unless the place is renovating more than a certain percentage of the space.

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The Mus's haven't been asked, AFAIK.

And ADA in California deserves it's own thread.

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chuckiechan said:

The Mus's haven't been asked, AFAIK.

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And I'm saying you aren't aware of it because they haven't refused. If they had, you can bet your ass we'd have heard about it. My take on it is that most of them (like most Christian bakers) just DGAF, and bake the cake, since it doesn't affect their lives.

And ADA in California deserves it's own thread.

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lol ... probably should.

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chuckiechan said:

The Mus's haven't been asked, AFAIK.

And ADA in California deserves it's own thread.

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Gay Wedding Cake At Muslim Bakeries

"What do you think happens when a gay, like SUPER gay Crowder tries to get a super gay wedding cake baked at a Muslim bakery? I’m pretty sure you can guess"

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akyron said:

Gay Wedding Cake At Muslim Bakeries

"What do you think happens when a gay, like SUPER gay Crowder tries to get a super gay wedding cake baked at a Muslim bakery? I’m pretty sure you can guess"

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Easy if the baker breaks the law then they'll have to face personal responsibility and face the consequences. :shrug:

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akyron said:

Gay Wedding Cake At Muslim Bakeries

"What do you think happens when a gay, like SUPER gay Crowder tries to get a super gay wedding cake baked at a Muslim bakery? I’m pretty sure you can guess"

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Pretty easy, if the baker breaks the law then the baker will have to suck it up show personal responsibility and face the consequences. Just like ALL bakers :shrug:

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Which of course was the opposite of what actually occurred in the piece.

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akyron said:

Which of course was the opposite of what actually occurred in the piece.

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made by the guy who wants every one to be able to discriminate based on faith

making it illegal for every one to do so sounds good to me and treating christens differently under the law would be wrong

you dont have to be an asshole because of your faith just because your christian and Muslims and any one else can be religious assholes to

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blarg said:

made by the guy who wants every one to be able to discriminate based on faith

making it illegal for every one to do so sounds good to me and treating christens differently under the law would be wrong

you dont have to be an asshole because of your faith just because your christian and Muslims and any one else can be religious assholes to

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I agree that the whole thing is a waste of time and money.

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gdgyva said:

You say they shouldn’t have gone into business knowing this....you do realize some people have been in business for decades right? They were in business long before the gays were fighting for their rights....maybe not these particular bakers, but the ruling always affects everyone

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You do realize they weren't allowed to discriminate before gays to right? That before gays got rights millions others had them including people could marry without religion or with another religion? Or are you suggesting for these people it's just really really really about the gays? They tolerate the other sins.

gdgyva said:

I know...”they need to change with the times” right?

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"They" don't have to change at all they can continue to being what ever bigot they like but what they can't do is break the law or infringe on someone's rights.

gdgyva said:

It would be nice for some of you guys to just for a moment put yourselves in the shoes of the business people we are talking about....I realize you may not hold their beliefs, or even respect them, but at least try to understand where they are coming from

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I understand them fine, I respect their freedom to have them fine, I'm christina myself but they don't get to break the law.

gdgyva said:

For every case like this, you are causing the public to go backwards on support for your cause

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I see the opposite happen actually, never seen a person who didn't already have bigoted tendency get them magically. There's no excuse for behavior like this its pathetic. I certainly wouldn't tolerate it against gender or religion etc so why would i ever tolerate for sexual orientation?

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Moderate Right said:

Hate to break it to you but, this is what the Supreme Court does and why it is there. They overturn lower court rulings all of the time. Your post implies, "Why would the Supreme Court overturn any lower court's decision"?

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You aren't breaking anything to me. In fact you are making my point for me, this is what SCOTUS does and thats my point. My point was they act when there's justification, currently there is none to rule against the state that I see. And if they did it would create a mess with every single other discrimination law (gender, race, religion etc.)

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For all you "blah blah blah 'open to the public' blah blah, serve all customers" types, here's a proposition for you (pun intended). Let's say Colorado legalized prostitution tomorrow. Does a female prostitute who has opened her business (so to speak) to the public have an obligation to service a lesbian customer? If not, why not? She is discriminating against someone not only because of their orientation but also because of their gender. Or, maybe she doesn't take black customers because she's racist, or maybe just because black guys are "too boku." What is the difference, if any? This is the ultimate paradoxical situation -- if she cannot refuse you've removed her ability to choose to consent to sex and in essence legalized rape, but if she can refuse then you have to hand-wave some reason this business-customer relationship is different from every other business-customer relationship. Or, maybe not every other business-customer relationship. What about strippers? What if a male stripper declines to strip for a bunch of men? Is he allowed to do that or is he compelled to show his junk and titillate other men against his will?

Are these situations different from the cake maker? If so, why? If not, why do you want to legalize rape?