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And then they came for the bakers; Colorado Cake Oral Arguments [W:744]

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Proteus said:
lol

But seriously, a custom designed wedding cake is a work of art. It's not the same as 2 eggs with bacon and a side of home fries.

The baker didn't refuse to serve the gay couple. The baker refused to create a work of art that offended his world view.
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based on the couple being gay theres no way around this FACT. its completely intellectually dishonest to claim otherwise.
hid world view is that gays are lessers and its illegal discrimination
 
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Critter7r said:
my understanding was that the couple didn't request anything gay-specific on the cake. If that's the case, then the cake maker has no standing in my book.
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even if they did he still has no standing "IF" he makes costume wedding cakes

his options per the laws are he can make costume wedding cakes (to a degree) for all weddings or none. As soon as he says he wont do black weddings or gay weddings or Muslim weddings or nonreligious weddings but he does everything else thats illegal discrimination by defintion.
 
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AGENT J said:
even if they did he still has no standing "IF" he makes costume wedding cakes

his options per the laws are he can make costume wedding cakes (to a degree) for all weddings or none. As soon as he says he wont do black weddings or gay weddings or Muslim weddings or nonreligious weddings but he does everything else thats illegal discrimination by defintion.
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Agreed.

I just meant that, if the couple had requested a flaming rainbow cake with glitter and unicorn butts with two dudes in tuxedos on the top, I could at least have seen his side and how his religious sensibilities might have been offended. But to just have them order a "normal" custom cake that he refuses to make ONLY because he knows that the recipients are gay, strikes me as especially callous.
 
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Critter7r said:
Agreed.

I just meant that, if the couple had requested a flaming rainbow cake with glitter and unicorn butts with two dudes in tuxedos on the top, I could at least have seen his side and how his religious sensibilities might have been offended. But to just have them order a "normal" custom cake that he refuses to make ONLY because he knows that the recipients are gay, strikes me as especially callous.
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and I agree with that also LOL, if the rejections are more based on "tact" than because of them being gay i agree lol
 
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graeme104 said:
Hopefully the SCOTUS proves America to be a truly free country where businesses can refuse to serve if they want to (they will suffer public backlash if the public deems the decision to be unecessary or stupid). The government shouldn't get involved in stuff like this. The gay couple should just go to a different baker where the cake can be baked without violating anyone's religion.
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Are cakes yet another religious test now? What a stupid ****ing argument in favor of bigotry. The fact that some people feel that an invisible cloud man has authorized their bigotry is the final insult to the constitution.

Someone making a cake for gay people is NOT a religious exercise. The wedding may or may not be but to put so much religious significance on a baked good reduces Christianity to the most petty and ridiculous of faiths. If your god would demand that you not bake a cake for a customer who happens to be gay, you're praying to an abstract manifestation of a very twisted morality, not a loving all-knowing god.

The real irony here is that cakes are a million times more real than gods. If your religious battleground is a bed of icing, you deserve every bit of derision you get. There is, apparently, not a bit of introspection in being one of Jesus' henchmen, just anger, martyrdom and hate.
 
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Go into any Jewish shop in Brooklyn and your not likely to get served unless you are Jewish.
 
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lefty louie said:
Go into any Jewish shop in Brooklyn and your not likely to get served unless you are Jewish.
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Cool story, bro. :roll:
 
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lefty louie said:
Go into any Jewish shop in Brooklyn and your not likely to get served unless you are Jewish.
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Like the owners of a bagel shop care what religion I am.
 
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lefty louie said:
Go into any Jewish shop in Brooklyn and your not likely to get served unless you are Jewish.
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Bull****! I lived in the area for many years and I never got kicked out of a Jewish deli for being an atheist. NEVER! Yet, there is a long history of oh-so-holy christian types treating other people like crap. Slavery and Jim Crow were very much accepted as southern christian institutions and that entitlement to bigotry remains embedded in their religion.

I live in Colorado now, about six blocks from Lakewood, where these idiots reside, and I'm ashamed at how many Americans can't see through their false piety to reveal the idiots within.
 
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God would indeed be disappointed in these fools for hiding their bigotry behind His name.

If he existed, that is. He doesn't, so it's all ****ing moot anyhow. But if He did, he'd be pissed at this baker.
 
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AGENT J said:
He most certainly and factually does distinguish between groups A and B. he views gays as a lesser and not worthy of equal treatment and he is treating them as a lesser in his store which is illegal discrimination and violates how he already choose to run his business.

Simple solution dont choose to be a criminal and break the law or dont choose to run a public accommodation business with rules you dont like. Run a private business. I a christian myself and my religion doesnt grant me "special'" treatment or allow me to break the law cause of my feelings. i have to play by the SAME rules as everybody else.
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The baker should move his shop just over the border to Kansas, Wyoming or Nebraska. No more hassle
 
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D_NATURED said:
Bull****! I lived in the area for many years and I never got kicked out of a Jewish deli for being an atheist. NEVER! Yet, there is a long history of oh-so-holy christian types treating other people like crap. Slavery and Jim Crow were very much accepted as southern christian institutions and that entitlement to bigotry remains embedded in their religion.

I live in Colorado now, about six blocks from Lakewood, where these idiots reside, and I'm ashamed at how many Americans can't see through their false piety to reveal the idiots within.
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To be fair, all we have to go on is what is out there for information. Not everyone has the additional insight of someone living locally.
 
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Hawkeye10 said:
I hear lefties freaking out and I get the idea that maybe SCOTUS might just get one right, which is never a sure thing with the way they suck now.

LET FREEDOM RING!
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Most people on the left don't care about this issue. It's only conservatives who are obsessed with some gay conspiracy theory.

I'm sure you consider me liberal but I don't think anyone should be forced to create something they object to. But you can't choose to not sell the same exact cake you sell to straight couples to gay couples.
 
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holbritter said:
The baker should move his shop just over the border to Kansas, Wyoming or Nebraska. No more hassle
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Why would that matter again?
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Critter7r said:
Like the owners of a bagel shop care what religion I am.
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D_NATURED said:
Bull****! I lived in the area for many years and I never got kicked out of a Jewish deli for being an atheist. NEVER! Yet, there is a long history of oh-so-holy christian types treating other people like crap. Slavery and Jim Crow were very much accepted as southern christian institutions and that entitlement to bigotry remains embedded in their religion.

I live in Colorado now, about six blocks from Lakewood, where these idiots reside, and I'm ashamed at how many Americans can't see through their false piety to reveal the idiots within.
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I should have been more specific, many Hasidic shops won't serve non Jews. Been served many times at Jewish bakers/deli's and alike.
 
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SonOfDaedalus said:
Most people on the left don't care about this issue. It's only conservatives who are obsessed with some gay conspiracy theory.

I'm sure you consider me liberal but I don't think anyone should be forced to create something they object to. But you can't choose to not sell the same exact cake you sell to straight couples to gay couples.
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Maybe we need to change that.
 
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lefty louie said:
I should have been more specific, many Hasidic shops won't serve non Jews. Been served many times at Jewish bakers/deli's and alike.
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I just think it's hilarious that both me and D_ cited Jewish stereotypes (bagels and "deli") when all you said was "Jewish shop".
 
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Hawkeye10 said:
Maybe we need to change that.
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Yes, we should definitely remove the idea that the baker has a choice to not serve the gay couple. Totally.
 
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Critter7r said:
Yes, we should definitely remove the idea that the baker has a choice to not serve the gay couple. Totally.
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Critter7r said:
That's like saying you reserve the right to punch anyone in the face for any or no reason at all. It just doesn't fly. It's not a real right, and therefore, can't be reserved.
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As the BUS DRIVERS TO UTOPIA continually work to remove freedom from this society I increasingly am in the mood to obstruct their work, to reintroduce freedom, to let the markets decide.
 
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Hawkeye10 said:
As the BUS DRIVERS TO UTOPIA continually work to remove freedom from this society I increasingly am in the mood to obstruct their work, to reintroduce freedom, to let the markets decide.
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I thought the guy was a cake artist? Not a bus driver. No?

Anyway, I'm glad we're on the same side. I don't want any gays to have their freedoms removed by bigoted store owners that think the social contract in this country isn't worth upholding.
 
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Hawkeye10 said:
These signs seem to be popular, that must mean that they are about to become illegal.
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neither sign currently has legal standing LMAO try again
 
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