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Do conservatives believe personal responsibility applies to Trump?

Crovax said:
I would pint out that I said nothing Trump has DONE in the past two years has changed who he is. I mentioned nothing about what Trump has said.
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I understand the urge to distance oneself from Trump and Trumpism as much as possible, but the bottom line is that he won as an R and has been pursuing GOP/R policies. Immigration, deregulation, tax cuts, yadda yadda.

Why on Earth would it matter what might secretly in his rot-congested heart of hearts? He is doing right-wing things.
 
Trump is a Statist. But I like his attitude about certain things - mostly those that are in opposition to liberal orthodoxy.


Yes_Minister said:
Perhaps, but it seems like a lot of people seem to treat him like he is some sort Republican messiah and lot of conservatives (not all), have jumped on that band wagon.
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Yes_Minister said:
Or some of the outrages are real, Trump declares them fake news and his supporters decide Trump is right and never examine things further.
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The leftist propaganda machine is noted for it's false reporting and therefore it is difficult to take anything they say serious. They, the leftist media, brought this on themselves and ought to take responsibility for their actions.
 
Yes_Minister said:
You want to seem to read the things I post, it really comes off I as I spoon feed things, fine, let's go through some of the quotes:

"White nationalist protesters in Charlottesville "had a permit. The other group didn’t have a permit."

Not true:

Donald Trump wrong that Charlottesville counter-protesters didn't have a permit | PolitiFact

There's one and that article can do a better job of summarizing why that is a false statement better then I can, are you going to say why the article is wrong or merely declare it fake news and ignore it? You seem more interested in attacking sources you do not like than disproving my arguments.
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As it turns out, the hate filled thugs that were the White Supremacist folks had a permit to demonstrate in the park near to where the conflict occurred.

The hate filled thugs that were the Antifa and BLM folks had a permit to demonstrate in a place about two blocks away.

I think you could make a case either way on that one.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
That all depends on what the economy will be like in 2020.

If it becomes like the 1932 economy, then all bets are off
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Not at all.

Whatever the condition of the economy is, the answer to that question will elect the eventual winner.
 
Yes_Minister said:
I am not that dense, I think there is a good chance Trump will screw up the economy and at that point I wonder if his supporters will punish him for it or decide everything is fine and vote for him again.

I think screwing around with NAFTA could cause a greater job loss to the US then you think, there are millions of jobs tied to trade with Canada and Mexico and if Trump is wrong about the economic growth this tax bill create, he can make the US an economic basket case like the GOP did with Kansas. I think Trump's supporters are so fueled by partisan tribalism, that whether he does a good job on the economy or not is ultimate irrelevant for them, that's cynicism, not stupidity, but I will hold to that till I see some real self reflection from Trump supporters. I could be wrong, but I am not stupid, I am cynical about Trump and his supporters and I think I have every right to be. If you think Trump is bringing back coal or starting another industrial revolution, you are lying to yourself, Trump tells his supporters the lies they want to hear.
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There was a coal mine that opened since the election.

That aside, though, by every measure, the economy is doing better right now than it has done since about a decade ago.

The tax plan has not even been enacted yet. This is just folks betting on the come.

Partisan Tribalism? That's funny. BOTH parties are actively trying to stop Trump. As the election approaches and the Republicans begin to grasp the fact that they cannot win without Trump, they'll come to him for help.

This is not partisan tribalism, though. It's just a reflection of the utter lack of principle in our elected representatives.

The Dems are looking forward to a wave election that puts them in power again. Just like thay have been in every election lead up since 2008.

This is actually getting to be a little funny.
 
Yes_Minister said:
Conservatives say they believe in personal responsibility, but Trump so far has shown an unwillingness to take personal responsibility on anything:

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/10/18/16495288/trump-responsibility

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-about-shifting-blame-just-about-says-it-all/

If Trump can just declare anything he does not like "fake news" and his supporters will often buy that, how is that not demanding zero accountability from him?

Is personal responsibility a real belief of conservatives or is it just some cynical partisan tactic and almost never applies to major Republicans like Trump?
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Where has he not been personally responsible?
 
Yes_Minister said:
That does not change the fact that Trump was wrong when he said only side had a permit, you are splitting hairs to make him right. Also care to deal with the other false quotes on that site or they fake news because Trump is almost always right?

I must think, about what, how Trump is some sort of messiah? I am being facetious here, but you have no basis tell anyone to think, when you engage in blind partisan loyality to him. Phsyican heal thy self.

Fox News and the GOP tried to create the same cult of personality around Bush that are doing with Trump and did that work? For all this talk about individualism, the GOP always promotes group think and turns the GOP President into an object of worship.
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The GOP has never been a friend of Trump. I don't know how you can hold that belief. Obama, on the other hand, was virtually deified by the media. That embarrassing, fawning reporter gushing over Obama was a disgrace.

What kind of faith is required when the weight of proof of a successful Presidency is so heavy? Every meaningful economic metric says the economy is better since the election than it has been in about 15 to 20 years. Trump has forged alliances, led coalitions and created agreement like 50 Arab Muslim Majority Nations joining together to fight Islamic Terror. That's big stuff.

If you have proof, you don't need faith.

There is no proof of any colluuuuusion and yet the Faithful Dems cling to that dogma.

There is all kinds of proof that the economy is heating up to red hot and you reject that.

Who is more likely to have been gripped by "blind faith"?
 
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